Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
2013/5/12 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak : > On 05/11/2013 12:05 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >> >> A fix frequently advised for video oddities in OpenOffice is to disable >> (turn off) one or both of "Video Acceleration" and "anti-Aliasing" in /Tools >> /Options /OpenOffice.org : View, under Graphics output. > > Interesting, that had not occurred to me, primarily because I was not aware > of them. I tried that too, but there was no difference. Just forgot to mention it. Or maybe I mentioned it but forgot that I did… Johnny Rosenberg > > > -- > Andrew Pitonyak > My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt > Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
Hi :) Ahh, great to hear someone else prefers Unity to KDE! I think the KDE team are great and doing great stuff and my neighbour thinks it's fantastic. I just find myself enjoying Unity nowadays but i'm glad KDE is around. Hmm, do you have to buy a whole new computer just to get a new graphics card? My current desktop has had 4 new graphics cards over the years. But it's also had 2 changes of fans, 1 new power-supply, more ram, 3 new hard-drives, 3 'new'(ish) Cpus and 2 new mbords, err and 2 new cases (hence the change of fans). There's still 1 of the fans that has been in all combinations. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Johnny Rosenberg >To: users@openoffice.apache.org; LibreOffice Användare >; Ubuntu Användarforum > >Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 20:43 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice > > >2013/5/11 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak : >> >> I have had subtle redraw issues with OO off and on, and I always blamed it >> on an interaction between applications and the video drivers. Realize that I >> use nVidia video cards on 64-bit Fedora using the proprietary video drivers. >> What I saw was not remotely as bad. Admittedly, when I tried out the latest >> dev build, it was totally unusable (of course, the single tester was unable >> to reproduce on Windows 7). >> >> see https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122214 >> >> Are you able to do a test and change your video driver say between the free >> and not free driver to see if there is a change (I do not use Ubuntu so I >> don't have a good handle on what drivers are available or how). >> >> I used to have exactly the same problem in QT, and it was very bad. I was >> able to avoid the problem with QT Creator by starting it using >> >> -graphicssystem raster >> >> Not that I expect this to help you. I did notice that it still has some >> rendering issues that appeared in the latest versions (I believe it is >> related to an over-lay issue when you edit a field that assumption >> allowed me to fix it in the software that I write, but I did not jump into >> the QT code base). >> >> I have seen strange redraw issues so long in OO that correcting for it is >> almost automatic in my brain (scroll screen up then down to clear) so I >> cannot even say if I still see the problem. I think I do, but it is for sure >> not as bad is it used to be for me. >> >> I know, that I have rambled on and on I will summarize in saying >> >> 1. I have never seen it so bad >> 2. I have seen screen corruption >> 3. You may avoid some of it based on the video driver >> >> If I had it that bad on my Fedora system, I would likely change my desktop >> on login to see if it helped. With Fedora, I can easily jump between Gnome >> and KDE (as one example). I would also try jumping between the two different >> drivers available to see how that helped as well. Sadly, the "free" driver >> is poor with respect to 3D stuff. > >Thanks for your input, and also thanks to all of you who replied. > >I did some more tests and I found that it seems to be a problem >related to the fact that my graphics card is blacklisted for use with >Unity 3D. >First I installed KDE, just to see what happens. I wasn't sure what >package to install, so I installed kde-full, which maybe was a bit >overkill… >I logged out and then in to KDE, configured the driver to use both >screens, then I opened a spreadsheet. Oddly enough, it tried to open >the file with an archive manager, so I had to manually tell it to open >with OpenOffice. I then opened the Basic IDE window and I found no >problems what so ever, except that I don't like KDE, but that's >another question… > >I didn't try the free driver, but maybe I will later. > >Right now I am logged in to Unity 2D and that also works flawlessly. I >don't like Unity 2D either, though. I miss some Compiz effects, among >other things… Maybe I just have to live with it until I buy another >computer with a non-blacklisted graphics card… > > >Johnny Rosenberg > >> >> >> >> On 05/11/2013 08:52 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >>> >>> I have had this problem for quite some time now (months if not years) >>> in LibreOffice and OpenOffice. The problems are maybe a little bit >>> worse in LibreOffice, but I didn't exactly measure it… >>> >>> It looks like a graphics card problem, but why are nothing else >>> affected? It only happens to OpenOffice and LibreOffice.
Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
On 05/11/2013 12:05 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: A fix frequently advised for video oddities in OpenOffice is to disable (turn off) one or both of "Video Acceleration" and "anti-Aliasing" in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice.org : View, under Graphics output. Interesting, that had not occurred to me, primarily because I was not aware of them. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
2013/5/11 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak : > > I have had subtle redraw issues with OO off and on, and I always blamed it > on an interaction between applications and the video drivers. Realize that I > use nVidia video cards on 64-bit Fedora using the proprietary video drivers. > What I saw was not remotely as bad. Admittedly, when I tried out the latest > dev build, it was totally unusable (of course, the single tester was unable > to reproduce on Windows 7). > > see https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122214 > > Are you able to do a test and change your video driver say between the free > and not free driver to see if there is a change (I do not use Ubuntu so I > don't have a good handle on what drivers are available or how). > > I used to have exactly the same problem in QT, and it was very bad. I was > able to avoid the problem with QT Creator by starting it using > > -graphicssystem raster > > Not that I expect this to help you. I did notice that it still has some > rendering issues that appeared in the latest versions (I believe it is > related to an over-lay issue when you edit a field that assumption > allowed me to fix it in the software that I write, but I did not jump into > the QT code base). > > I have seen strange redraw issues so long in OO that correcting for it is > almost automatic in my brain (scroll screen up then down to clear) so I > cannot even say if I still see the problem. I think I do, but it is for sure > not as bad is it used to be for me. > > I know, that I have rambled on and on I will summarize in saying > > 1. I have never seen it so bad > 2. I have seen screen corruption > 3. You may avoid some of it based on the video driver > > If I had it that bad on my Fedora system, I would likely change my desktop > on login to see if it helped. With Fedora, I can easily jump between Gnome > and KDE (as one example). I would also try jumping between the two different > drivers available to see how that helped as well. Sadly, the "free" driver > is poor with respect to 3D stuff. Thanks for your input, and also thanks to all of you who replied. I did some more tests and I found that it seems to be a problem related to the fact that my graphics card is blacklisted for use with Unity 3D. First I installed KDE, just to see what happens. I wasn't sure what package to install, so I installed kde-full, which maybe was a bit overkill… I logged out and then in to KDE, configured the driver to use both screens, then I opened a spreadsheet. Oddly enough, it tried to open the file with an archive manager, so I had to manually tell it to open with OpenOffice. I then opened the Basic IDE window and I found no problems what so ever, except that I don't like KDE, but that's another question… I didn't try the free driver, but maybe I will later. Right now I am logged in to Unity 2D and that also works flawlessly. I don't like Unity 2D either, though. I miss some Compiz effects, among other things… Maybe I just have to live with it until I buy another computer with a non-blacklisted graphics card… Johnny Rosenberg > > > > On 05/11/2013 08:52 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >> >> I have had this problem for quite some time now (months if not years) >> in LibreOffice and OpenOffice. The problems are maybe a little bit >> worse in LibreOffice, but I didn't exactly measure it… >> >> It looks like a graphics card problem, but why are nothing else >> affected? It only happens to OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I tested a >> few versions and it seems to not matter. The screenshots are taken >> with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 and I saw the same thing in LibreOffice >> 3.5, 3.6 and 4.0. I think this also happened with earlier LibreOffice >> versions, like 3.4 and 3.3. I didn't use OpenOffice since 3.2 (except >> 3.4.1, which I use these days), and I don't even remember what it >> looked like. >> >> Here's a screenshot with Apache OpenOffice Calc 3.4.1. I added some >> arrows pointing at the problem areas: >> http://ubuntuone.com/0wvqcaN38PC5835t4uJVPv >> >> The worst thing is when I try to use the Basic IDE, take a look at >> this. Very hard to write and edit code when it looks like this: >> http://ubuntuone.com/4HRPQMpblZT97UxHq5ggzO >> >> My operating system is Ubuntu 12.04 and the more stuff I run at the >> same time, the worse will it look. >> >> My graphics card is the nVidia GeForce Go 7300, which is blacklisted >> for use with the Unity 3D desktop, so that may be what's causing this >> problem, but still it ONLY happens to LibreOffice and OpenOffice. >> >> One thought that I have is that LibreOffice and OpenOffice are not GTK >> applications (I think – are they?), but on the other hand, neither is >> my web browser (Opera), and I don't have these problems with it. >> >> Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org were installed with the official >> deb files. The LibreOffice version that came with Ubuntu 12.04 was >> carefully removed before installing what I have now. >> >> Thoughts? Anyone else saw thi
Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
On Sat, 11 May 2013 08:44:22 -0700 "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > I see less-dramatic variants of these on Windows 8 also, using an ATI Radeon > HD 5980 graphics processor with an HP Z30W monitor in 32bbp 2560 x 1600 > landscape orientation. > > I am certain in my case that the situation is GDI/driver/engine related. The > typical situation is where editing leads to modified text appearing > off-baseline and interfering with adjacent text, usually in the line above. > Since causing the displayed material to refresh corrects things (e.g., by > performing a Page Down followed by a Page Up), the situation is somewhere in > the rendering path. > > I am not so certain that the situation is unique to OpenOffice-lineage > programs. That may just reflect where we are working so much. It could be > attributable to heavy usage of fine-detail font rendering in these programs > bringing out the defects. There might also be associated computational > errors (somewhere in the code base and libraries used) in how changes in > documents are first rendered in the GUI. > > It is also necessary to consider that different users observe similar defects > with different causes. It does seem that it is all about rendering in the > GUI, not something untoward happening to the document itself (internal to the > program or when made persistent). > > The challenge is having tests that can reveal these situations and support > isolation of causes. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > >From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 07:08 > To: Johnny Rosenberg > Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org; LibreOffice Användare > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice > > > I have had subtle redraw issues with OO off and on, and I always blamed > it on an interaction between applications and the video drivers. Realize > that I use nVidia video cards on 64-bit Fedora using the proprietary > video drivers. What I saw was not remotely as bad. Admittedly, when I > tried out the latest dev build, it was totally unusable (of course, the > single tester was unable to reproduce on Windows 7). > > see https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122214 > > Are you able to do a test and change your video driver say between the > free and not free driver to see if there is a change (I do not use > Ubuntu so I don't have a good handle on what drivers are available or how). > > I used to have exactly the same problem in QT, and it was very bad. I > was able to avoid the problem with QT Creator by starting it using > > -graphicssystem raster > > Not that I expect this to help you. I did notice that it still has some > rendering issues that appeared in the latest versions (I believe it is > related to an over-lay issue when you edit a field that assumption > allowed me to fix it in the software that I write, but I did not jump > into the QT code base). > > I have seen strange redraw issues so long in OO that correcting for it > is almost automatic in my brain (scroll screen up then down to clear) so > I cannot even say if I still see the problem. I think I do, but it is > for sure not as bad is it used to be for me. > > I know, that I have rambled on and on I will summarize in saying > > 1. I have never seen it so bad > 2. I have seen screen corruption > 3. You may avoid some of it based on the video driver > > If I had it that bad on my Fedora system, I would likely change my > desktop on login to see if it helped. With Fedora, I can easily jump > between Gnome and KDE (as one example). I would also try jumping between > the two different drivers available to see how that helped as well. > Sadly, the "free" driver is poor with respect to 3D stuff. > > > On 05/11/2013 08:52 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > I have had this problem for quite some time now (months if not years) > > in LibreOffice and OpenOffice. The problems are maybe a little bit > > worse in LibreOffice, but I didn't exactly measure it… > > > > It looks like a graphics card problem, but why are nothing else > > affected? It only happens to OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I tested a > > few versions and it seems to not matter. The screenshots are taken > > with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 and I saw the same thing in LibreOffice > > 3.5, 3.6 and 4.0. I think this also happened with earlier LibreOffice > > versions, like 3.4 and 3.3. I didn't use OpenOffice since 3.2 (except > > 3.4.1, which I use these days), and I don't even remember what it > > looked like. > > > > Here's a screensh
RE: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
I see less-dramatic variants of these on Windows 8 also, using an ATI Radeon HD 5980 graphics processor with an HP Z30W monitor in 32bbp 2560 x 1600 landscape orientation. I am certain in my case that the situation is GDI/driver/engine related. The typical situation is where editing leads to modified text appearing off-baseline and interfering with adjacent text, usually in the line above. Since causing the displayed material to refresh corrects things (e.g., by performing a Page Down followed by a Page Up), the situation is somewhere in the rendering path. I am not so certain that the situation is unique to OpenOffice-lineage programs. That may just reflect where we are working so much. It could be attributable to heavy usage of fine-detail font rendering in these programs bringing out the defects. There might also be associated computational errors (somewhere in the code base and libraries used) in how changes in documents are first rendered in the GUI. It is also necessary to consider that different users observe similar defects with different causes. It does seem that it is all about rendering in the GUI, not something untoward happening to the document itself (internal to the program or when made persistent). The challenge is having tests that can reveal these situations and support isolation of causes. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 07:08 To: Johnny Rosenberg Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org; LibreOffice Användare Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice I have had subtle redraw issues with OO off and on, and I always blamed it on an interaction between applications and the video drivers. Realize that I use nVidia video cards on 64-bit Fedora using the proprietary video drivers. What I saw was not remotely as bad. Admittedly, when I tried out the latest dev build, it was totally unusable (of course, the single tester was unable to reproduce on Windows 7). see https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122214 Are you able to do a test and change your video driver say between the free and not free driver to see if there is a change (I do not use Ubuntu so I don't have a good handle on what drivers are available or how). I used to have exactly the same problem in QT, and it was very bad. I was able to avoid the problem with QT Creator by starting it using -graphicssystem raster Not that I expect this to help you. I did notice that it still has some rendering issues that appeared in the latest versions (I believe it is related to an over-lay issue when you edit a field that assumption allowed me to fix it in the software that I write, but I did not jump into the QT code base). I have seen strange redraw issues so long in OO that correcting for it is almost automatic in my brain (scroll screen up then down to clear) so I cannot even say if I still see the problem. I think I do, but it is for sure not as bad is it used to be for me. I know, that I have rambled on and on I will summarize in saying 1. I have never seen it so bad 2. I have seen screen corruption 3. You may avoid some of it based on the video driver If I had it that bad on my Fedora system, I would likely change my desktop on login to see if it helped. With Fedora, I can easily jump between Gnome and KDE (as one example). I would also try jumping between the two different drivers available to see how that helped as well. Sadly, the "free" driver is poor with respect to 3D stuff. On 05/11/2013 08:52 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > I have had this problem for quite some time now (months if not years) > in LibreOffice and OpenOffice. The problems are maybe a little bit > worse in LibreOffice, but I didn't exactly measure it… > > It looks like a graphics card problem, but why are nothing else > affected? It only happens to OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I tested a > few versions and it seems to not matter. The screenshots are taken > with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 and I saw the same thing in LibreOffice > 3.5, 3.6 and 4.0. I think this also happened with earlier LibreOffice > versions, like 3.4 and 3.3. I didn't use OpenOffice since 3.2 (except > 3.4.1, which I use these days), and I don't even remember what it > looked like. > > Here's a screenshot with Apache OpenOffice Calc 3.4.1. I added some > arrows pointing at the problem areas: > http://ubuntuone.com/0wvqcaN38PC5835t4uJVPv > > The worst thing is when I try to use the Basic IDE, take a look at > this. Very hard to write and edit code when it looks like this: > http://ubuntuone.com/4HRPQMpblZT97UxHq5ggzO > > My operating system is Ubuntu 12.04 and the more stuff I run at the > same time, the worse will it look. > > My graphics card is the nVidia GeForce Go 7300, which is blacklisted &
Re: [libreoffice-users] ”Artifacts” in OpenOffice and LibreOffice
I have had subtle redraw issues with OO off and on, and I always blamed it on an interaction between applications and the video drivers. Realize that I use nVidia video cards on 64-bit Fedora using the proprietary video drivers. What I saw was not remotely as bad. Admittedly, when I tried out the latest dev build, it was totally unusable (of course, the single tester was unable to reproduce on Windows 7). see https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122214 Are you able to do a test and change your video driver say between the free and not free driver to see if there is a change (I do not use Ubuntu so I don't have a good handle on what drivers are available or how). I used to have exactly the same problem in QT, and it was very bad. I was able to avoid the problem with QT Creator by starting it using -graphicssystem raster Not that I expect this to help you. I did notice that it still has some rendering issues that appeared in the latest versions (I believe it is related to an over-lay issue when you edit a field that assumption allowed me to fix it in the software that I write, but I did not jump into the QT code base). I have seen strange redraw issues so long in OO that correcting for it is almost automatic in my brain (scroll screen up then down to clear) so I cannot even say if I still see the problem. I think I do, but it is for sure not as bad is it used to be for me. I know, that I have rambled on and on I will summarize in saying 1. I have never seen it so bad 2. I have seen screen corruption 3. You may avoid some of it based on the video driver If I had it that bad on my Fedora system, I would likely change my desktop on login to see if it helped. With Fedora, I can easily jump between Gnome and KDE (as one example). I would also try jumping between the two different drivers available to see how that helped as well. Sadly, the "free" driver is poor with respect to 3D stuff. On 05/11/2013 08:52 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: I have had this problem for quite some time now (months if not years) in LibreOffice and OpenOffice. The problems are maybe a little bit worse in LibreOffice, but I didn't exactly measure it… It looks like a graphics card problem, but why are nothing else affected? It only happens to OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I tested a few versions and it seems to not matter. The screenshots are taken with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 and I saw the same thing in LibreOffice 3.5, 3.6 and 4.0. I think this also happened with earlier LibreOffice versions, like 3.4 and 3.3. I didn't use OpenOffice since 3.2 (except 3.4.1, which I use these days), and I don't even remember what it looked like. Here's a screenshot with Apache OpenOffice Calc 3.4.1. I added some arrows pointing at the problem areas: http://ubuntuone.com/0wvqcaN38PC5835t4uJVPv The worst thing is when I try to use the Basic IDE, take a look at this. Very hard to write and edit code when it looks like this: http://ubuntuone.com/4HRPQMpblZT97UxHq5ggzO My operating system is Ubuntu 12.04 and the more stuff I run at the same time, the worse will it look. My graphics card is the nVidia GeForce Go 7300, which is blacklisted for use with the Unity 3D desktop, so that may be what's causing this problem, but still it ONLY happens to LibreOffice and OpenOffice. One thought that I have is that LibreOffice and OpenOffice are not GTK applications (I think – are they?), but on the other hand, neither is my web browser (Opera), and I don't have these problems with it. Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org were installed with the official deb files. The LibreOffice version that came with Ubuntu 12.04 was carefully removed before installing what I have now. Thoughts? Anyone else saw this? Packard Bell Easy Note MX66 laptop, made in November 2006. 2.0 GiB RAM, Genuine Intel® CPU T2050 @ 1.60GHz × 2. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32 bits) Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-41-generic-pae nVIDIA Driver Version: 304.88 -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
