Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Have you tried to type a letter using any font of your choice? I have and it is terrible. On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:17 PM, JB wrote: On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:35:39 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? Since the announcement of it that it was out and ready for downloading. Incredibly faster startup and looks a heck of a lot better too! -- “Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order.” -John v. Lindsey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 13:32:44 -0400 Victor Goff vgoff...@verizon.net wrote: top-posting corrected On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:17 PM, JB wrote: On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:35:39 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? Since the announcement of it that it was out and ready for downloading. Incredibly faster startup and looks a heck of a lot better too! Have you tried to type a letter using any font of your choice? I have and it is terrible. Type a letter in Writer? Yes, I have. As a matter of fact, it wasn't actually a letter, it's a list of all my movies (280+) that I have burned onto BDR's, with each disc number in bold and underlined and the movie titles numbered then the title name following. I like DejaVu sans serif size 11 and it looks great and prints great in AOO Writer. I've not had any trouble whatsoever with AOO or even OOo since I started using Linux in 2000 (that's when I quit using M$ after almost 6 years of using it and getting so disgusted with it I switched OS's literally overnight). JB -- “Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order.” -John v. Lindsey signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
I don't use Linux OS but will take your suggestion and try to find a set of TTF fonts on the Internet. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Doug wrote: On 08/05/2013 01:32 PM, Victor Goff wrote: Have you tried to type a letter using any font of your choice? I have and it is terrible. I have briefly tried it using Times New Roman, and also the Courier 10-pitch, and it looks fine, both on-screen and on paper. That is the Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0 version I tried. Normally I use the Times, so I obviously have not tested all the fonts available. I believe that the program uses the fonts that you have loaded into your computer in a /fonts directory, so I don't know why it would look any different than any other document printed with that font in another app.However, some distros don't have the True-Type fonts by default--Mint is one such-- and then the resulting output _does_ look pretty awful. If that's your problem, you have to find a set of TTF fonts and load them into your fonts directory. AAMOF, altho I don't normally use Mint, I did install it and play with it for a bit, and when I discovered this problem, I deleted all the ugly fonts and all the weird ones--all kinds of Asian characters--and copied a fonts directory from PCLinuxOs. Voilà! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ; us...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) +1 wrt to the tabs Also +1 wrt the bad first stab at side-toolbar Hopefully these things will change in some future release. Hopefully as Extensions that could be used in LO ;) Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 23:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? To me, the AOO sidebar properties panel adds nothing. As you said, it only duplicates the top toolbar. More importantly (for me at least), the styles panel is buried *beneath* the properties panel. With LO, this is where I dock the styles panel. So, now, with AOO, I have to do an extra click to gain access to the styles panel. I've tried several times to find a way to put the styles panel on top (as I have absolutely no need for the properties panel), and I have yet to find a way that works. I may be missing something that the AOO folks can explain to me. I understand that the properties panel was taken from the Symphony user interface. But, much, much, more desirable would have been Symphony's tabbed document interface. So many programs have it, and it is soo useful that I don't understand why neither LO nor AOO have adopted it (yet). Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:35 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ; us...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ; us...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Tom Davies wrote: Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I have installed it, but haven't had much chance to work with it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
This is especially true with the advent of the newer wide screen monitors. Thee's lots of space on the sides that would give more room at the top and bottom so that visualization of an entire document wouldn't make the text so small it can't be seen by my tired old eyes. And it gets compounded in the browser with the number of software packages out there that try to add another toolbar to your browser whether you want it or not. Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org On 8/4/2013 2:35 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ; us...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@openoffice.apache.org; us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:35:39 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) The individual toolbars and the sidebar are all separately switchable on/off in a standard AOO 4.0 installation. Switching off standard toolbars releases space at screen top; using Sidebar uses side space. If one wishes even more vertical space one can (Operating system dependent) often turn a wide monitor on its side. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi Steve Umm!! I've not experienced this. Yes by default LO4 will load and save the new file formats, but you can change this by File - Save as then choose the format you want from the deopdown Save as type list. You can also permanently set this in Tools - Options - Load/Save - General - Document type - Always save as. This is even true for saving in the format of MSO document types temporarily, or permanently using the latter settings. Regards Andrew Brown On 24/07/2013 10:11 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote: I just installed AOO4 today and find that this also (as well as LO4) no longer supports the older file formats and crashes a bit so I will probably stick with LO 3.6 for now. steve On 2013-07-24 19:05, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Virgil If I may offer my input here as I have and still use both, with my clients mainly. Apache OOo has deprecated slightly, i.e. it has not caught up to LibreOffice. In the overall basic user features there is not much difference, but OOo stagnated, being firstly involved in the merger from Sun Microsystems to Oracle, who did not do much with OOo. This created the fork to LO and the development of LO continued. It was not until OOo was offered to Apache by Oracle, that it started to gain momentum again, but alas in my experience it is now playing catch-up with LO. One of the issues I have with my users using Apache OOo, is that they are able to open multiple single sessions of either Writer or Calc, and eventually their systems run out of resources and memory, generating a number of unnecessary service calls of complaints my system is slow etc. I have not experienced this with any clients using LO, and I am migrating my Apache OOo clients over to LO, due to this issue. So my opinion, off the bat, LO is the better choice. Regards Andrew Brown On 23/07/2013 09:38 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
