Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-27 Thread toki 
On 02/27/2017 09:47 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> If we know why they are wanting the template, then one might be able to
>> either suggest an alternative, or create it, using the specifications
> That's a one off solution, next user will report the same problem

If the reconstructed/new template is placed on the template site, in
theory, it will rank higher than the "access denied" template.

>> concentrated on the landing page, and other heavily viewed pages.
> It has nothing to do with heavily viewed pages, because if you search a

I didn't bookmark the specific template (CBrainPower), but searching for
it on the template site returns "Search found 0 items".

> The issue is that if the link is not maintained by the originator of the 
> template, you get errors.

What link are you talking about?

Grabbing the second template on the landing page for Templates,
"Scenario Template", the displayed message is "Mise-en page pour
scénario"
(http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/scenario-template
) and nothing else.

Trying a second template "Music template",
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/music-paper, the
download link is to
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/template/download/70 . The
license links to http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/BSD.pdf. The only
offsite link I could find was to
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/files/70/stats/timeline?dates=2017-02-12+to+2017-02-26
, and, if you want to press it,
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/files/70/music_paper.ott/download
, which masquerades as
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/template/download/70

> At the moment the page gives the impression that the template and
> extension pages are owned by Apache OpenOffice

Technically, the webpages for both templates and extensions are owned by
Apache Software Foundation.

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-27 Thread Martin Groenescheij 



On 24/02/17 7:26 PM, toki wrote:

On 02/22/2017 02:16 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:


It's not your job to question the why. The extension is on the website
so it should be downloadable or removed.

If we know why they are wanting the template, then one might be able to
either suggest an alternative, or create it, using the specifications
provided by the individual that wanted the "Access Denied" template.


That's a one off solution, next user will report the same problem





The number of problems reported on the user list is to high to ignore,
only this year there were 11 issues on the user mailing list

That is probably because the "Access Denied" templates appear to be
concentrated on the landing page, and other heavily viewed pages.


It has nothing to do with heavily viewed pages, because if you search a 
template response is fast.
The issue is that if the link is not maintained by the originator of the 
template, you get errors.






b) OTOH, this could be a system glitch. Unremovable due to circumstances
beyond the control of the website maintainer.

If a site administrator has a problem to maintain the site he should escalate 
the problem.

Given that the Apache OpenOffice website maintainers don't have access
to the site that delivers the content ...


But they could change their OpenOffice.org page.
At the moment the page gives the impression that the template and 
extension pages are owned by Apache OpenOffice
Changing the text so that it is clear that these pages are NOT owned by 
Apache OpenOffice will solve a lot of issues




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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-24 Thread Julian Thomas 

> On Feb 24, 2017, at 03:26, toki  wrote:
> 
> Given that the Apache OpenOffice website maintainers don't have access
> to the site that delivers the content ...

can't this be fixed somehow?


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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-24 Thread toki 
On 02/22/2017 02:16 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

> It's not your job to question the why. The extension is on the website
> so it should be downloadable or removed.

If we know why they are wanting the template, then one might be able to
either suggest an alternative, or create it, using the specifications
provided by the individual that wanted the "Access Denied" template.


> The number of problems reported on the user list is to high to ignore,
> only this year there were 11 issues on the user mailing list

That is probably because the "Access Denied" templates appear to be
concentrated on the landing page, and other heavily viewed pages.


>> b) OTOH, this could be a system glitch. Unremovable due to circumstances
>> beyond the control of the website maintainer.
> 
> If a site administrator has a problem to maintain the site he should escalate 
> the problem.

Given that the Apache OpenOffice website maintainers don't have access
to the site that delivers the content ...

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Groenescheij 



On 21/02/17 8:51 PM, toki wrote:

On 02/21/2017 05:23 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:


So who is responsible to maintain this website?

Get version 2.1 from http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/

This website doesn't allow to download it said "Download (Inaktiv)"

CBrainPower_2.01.odb
Filesize 1.1 MB, 1146983 bytes
date: 2013-10-17

It is CSalesFacts that has both an extension, and a database, not
CBrainPower


The problem was that the user get the message "Access Denied", not 
judging the usefulness of the extension





It's not up to us to discuss the functionality / usefullness of an extension,

I'm question both why people want to download this specific file, and
what useful functionality this template offers, especially as compared
to the description.


It's not your job to question the why. The extension is on the website 
so it should be downloadable or removed.





but if it is available on the extension web page it should be

downloadable otherwise the extension should be removed.

a) This gets into the philosophy of when, and under what circumstances
all mention of a template, or extension, is removed;


The number of problems reported on the user list is to high to ignore, 
only this year there were 11 issues

on the user mailing list



b) OTOH, this could be a system glitch. Unremovable due to circumstances
beyond the control of the website maintainer.


If a site administrator has a problem to maintain the site he should 
escalate the problem.




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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-21 Thread toki 
On 02/21/2017 05:23 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

> So who is responsible to maintain this website?

>> Get version 2.1 from http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/
> This website doesn't allow to download it said "Download (Inaktiv)"

CBrainPower_2.01.odb
Filesize 1.1 MB, 1146983 bytes
date: 2013-10-17

It is CSalesFacts that has both an extension, and a database, not
CBrainPower

> It's not up to us to discuss the functionality / usefullness of an extension, 

I'm question both why people want to download this specific file, and
what useful functionality this template offers, especially as compared
to the description.

> but if it is available on the extension web page it should be
downloadable otherwise the extension should be removed.

a) This gets into the philosophy of when, and under what circumstances
all mention of a template, or extension, is removed;

b) OTOH, this could be a system glitch. Unremovable due to circumstances
beyond the control of the website maintainer.

jonathon

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-20 Thread Martin Groenescheij 



On 20/02/17 6:49 PM, toki wrote:

On 02/20/2017 04:35 AM, Sarah Kragness wrote:


says 'access denied'... for the cBrainpower1.3 - creative learning made

The version on the AOo extension page has been obsolete for at least
five years.


So who is responsible to maintain this website?




SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, SINCE IT'S ON A TEMPLATE DOWNLOAD PAGE?

Get version 2.1 from http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/


This website doesn't allow to download it said "Download (Inaktiv)"



#

I don't get the apparent popularity of this extension:

The more I look at this extension, the more I think that an extension
that implements PILOT, a la LibreLogo for LibO, would be more useful.


It's not up to us to discuss the functionality / use fullness of an 
extension, but if it is available on the extension web page

it should be downloadable otherwise the extension should be removed.



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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-19 Thread toki 
On 02/20/2017 04:35 AM, Sarah Kragness wrote:

> says 'access denied'... for the cBrainpower1.3 - creative learning made

The version on the AOo extension page has been obsolete for at least
five years.

> SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, SINCE IT'S ON A TEMPLATE DOWNLOAD PAGE?

Get version 2.1 from http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/

#

I don't get the apparent popularity of this extension:

The more I look at this extension, the more I think that an extension
that implements PILOT, a la LibreLogo for LibO, would be more useful.

jonathon

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trying to get a template from the page...

2017-02-19 Thread Sarah Kragness 
says 'access denied'... for the cBrainpower1.3 - creative learning made
easy (OpenOffice sample database)

SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, SINCE IT'S ON A TEMPLATE DOWNLOAD PAGE?