Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Le 15/12/2010 19:58, Johnny Rosenberg a écrit : Den 2010-12-15 07:40:17 skrev Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@laposte.net: Le 10/12/2010 19:39, Douglas Hinds a écrit : OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. Hi, PDF is not a document format intended to editing. If you need to modify such kind of document why not ask the author a copy of the original in editable format (.odt, .doc, etc.) ? So why does Adobe make their Acrobat program? Make Money Fast ? ;-) By providing a very expensive solution to a very simple problem if everybody did his job correctly ? If you have to modify a document, edit this document, not its printed-to-file image. If the author does not provide you the source doc, it means he does not grant you the right to modify his document. Best regards JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
On 16 December 2010 07:15, Marcello Romani mrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote: snip PDF is not meant for editing. Period. snip So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which I made using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it to my colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about that ... -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Il 16/12/2010 11:08, Harold Fuchs ha scritto: On 16 December 2010 07:15, Marcello Romanimrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote: snip PDF is not meant for editing. Period. snip So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which I made using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it to my colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about that ... No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that one can edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature. That said, as this thread demonstrates there is quite a lot of software which can edit a PDF. But what can be edited and the quality of the results depend also on how the document was created. I've seen PDFs which could be opened with a text editor and easily modified (with some care), but I've also seen PDFs which just contain a jpg scan of a paper document. In between you find all degrees of human-readability and editability. -- Marcello Romani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
On 16 December 2010 10:41, Marcello Romani mrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote: Il 16/12/2010 11:08, Harold Fuchs ha scritto: On 16 December 2010 07:15, Marcello Romanimrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote: snip PDF is not meant for editing. Period. snip So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which I made using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it to my colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about that ... No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that one can edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature. Why bother to write the Acrobat software if PDF is not *designed* to be edited? Under your assumption a pseudo printer would be all that was necessary. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Il 16/12/2010 11:49, Harold Fuchs ha scritto: On 16 December 2010 10:41, Marcello Romanimrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote: Il 16/12/2010 11:08, Harold Fuchs ha scritto: On 16 December 2010 07:15, Marcello Romanimrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote: snip PDF is not meant for editing. Period. snip So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which I made using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it to my colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about that ... No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that one can edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature. Why bother to write the Acrobat software if PDF is not *designed* to be edited? Under your assumption a pseudo printer would be all that was necessary. I presume one can produce PDFs of different quality using different software. PDFCreator is in fact all I use (on Windows, on Linux I don't even need that), but I suppose if my business was industrial printing I'd probably need the Adobe software or even something better. The fact that Adobe software is not being used as a word processor and the fact that producing PDFs (output format) is a common feature while importing PDFs (input format) is a special case must be telling us something. -- Marcello Romani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
On 12/16/10 11:49, Harold Fuchs wrote: PDF is not meant for editing. Period. snip So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which I made using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it to my colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about that ... No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that one can edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature. Why bother to write the Acrobat software if PDF is not *designed* to be edited? Under your assumption a pseudo printer would be all that was necessary. PDF was never designed to be an editable format. From the ISO PDF abstract (yes, PDF is much older than this ISO document, but the definition of what a PDF is, is pretty much the same now as it was almost 20 years ago) http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=51502 : ISO 32000-1:2008 specifies a digital form for representing electronic documents to enable users to exchange and view electronic documents independent of the environment in which they were created or the environment in which they are viewed or printed. PDF has always been about being able to exchange, view and print documents regardless of the original software used to _create_ the PDF. Yes you can edit PDFs directly using various applications such as Inkscape or Adobe Acrobat, but in reality, PDF is simply a delivery format that can be read and printed (unless printing is restricted) on any current OS. It is a delivery format that ensures that the end user can view the document if they do not have access to the original document and original software used to create the PDF. In effect PDF is a digital printout of a document. C. -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 20:39, Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com wrote: OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results were not adequate. I no longer use Windows. Can anyone suggest a Linux Application (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to convert PDF files to a format editable in OO? Thanks in advance for your suggestions. I recommend this gem: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport It will let you export ODT documents as PDF, with the original ODT file embedded in the PDF. Standard PDF readers will see the file as a PDF, and Open Office will let you edit it like an ODT. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
... But doesn't the rtf format ensure precisely that ? I really do not see the point in using pdf, which is a nuisance if you want to work on the document later. Clayton a écrit : On 12/16/10 11:49, Harold Fuchs wrote: PDF is not meant for editing. Period. snip So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which I made using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it to my colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about that ... No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that one can edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature. Why bother to write the Acrobat software if PDF is not *designed* to be edited? Under your assumption a pseudo printer would be all that was necessary. PDF was never designed to be an editable format. From the ISO PDF abstract (yes, PDF is much older than this ISO document, but the definition of what a PDF is, is pretty much the same now as it was almost 20 years ago) http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=51502 : ISO 32000-1:2008 specifies a digital form for representing electronic documents to enable users to exchange and view electronic documents independent of the environment in which they were created or the environment in which they are viewed or printed. PDF has always been about being able to exchange, view and print documents regardless of the original software used to _create_ the PDF. Yes you can edit PDFs directly using various applications such as Inkscape or Adobe Acrobat, but in reality, PDF is simply a delivery format that can be read and printed (unless printing is restricted) on any current OS. It is a delivery format that ensures that the end user can view the document if they do not have access to the original document and original software used to create the PDF. In effect PDF is a digital printout of a document. C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
On 12/16/10 12:52, Trad Griesmar wrote: ... But doesn't the rtf format ensure precisely that ? I really do not see the point in using pdf, which is a nuisance if you want to work on the document later. RTF is a mess of multiple versions, multiple implementations etc. You cannot guarantee that an RTF created in MS Word will open correctly in OpenOffice.org... it might.. it might not. Data and formatting can and does get lost. Microsoft has historically, and consistently mucked about with the RTF specification (it is their format, and their spec, so they can do this)... so it works well with MS Office, but once you step outside of that arena, you cannot count on anything anymore. PDF ensures that, as a digital printout of the original document, all formatting, fonts, layouts etc are as intended by the original author. It's not designed to be a document that you exchange around for editing - use ODF for that :-) C. -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Le 10/12/2010 19:39, Douglas Hinds a écrit : OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. Hi, PDF is not a document format intended to editing. If you need to modify such kind of document why not ask the author a copy of the original in editable format (.odt, .doc, etc.) ? And yes, I know PDFimport extension, but it is useful only for very light modifications like to complete a form. Best regards JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Den 2010-12-15 07:40:17 skrev Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@laposte.net: Le 10/12/2010 19:39, Douglas Hinds a écrit : OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. Hi, PDF is not a document format intended to editing. If you need to modify such kind of document why not ask the author a copy of the original in editable format (.odt, .doc, etc.) ? So why does Adobe make their Acrobat program? A cassette tape was originally intended for speech only, not music, but a few decades later some manufacturers actually made some quite capable cassettes and decks, like TDK, Nakamichi and many others, and people used them for music as well, in fact I think the most common use was music. Things doesn't necessarily need to be what they were originally intended to be. And good luck to ask the authorities to send you editable copies of their stuff. I tried that a few years ago. They said that they have been thinking about uploading their documents in DOC (Microsoft) format. Well, that's better than nothing, but still today, a few years later, there is still only the PDF on their site. However, that was a PDF form thing (FDF?) and a few days ago I discovered that I can fill in those and save them with Evince, which was impossible a few months ago, I think. But that doesn't solve the OP's issue. Seems like he is looking for some kind of Linux equivalent of Adobe Acrobat, so the question is probably: Is there such a thing out there somewhere? Unfortunately the answer seems to be no. And yes, I know PDFimport extension, but it is useful only for very light modifications like to complete a form. Best regards JBF -- Best regards Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Il 10/12/2010 21:47, Douglas Hinds ha scritto: It might help if you had stated what you meant by the results were not adequate. OO writer can now open pdf files, but it opens them in OO Draw and each and every line is included in it's own text box so the documents flow is totally lost for the purpose of editing. The letterhead didn't appear, either. And we are describing a pdf document created in writer and exported to pdf from there. What type of editing do you want to do? I want a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in a totally editable form. Where does OOo fail to do what you want? It doesn't do the above. OO opens pdf files in Draw - that means it's a graphics rather than a document file. Perhaps there's a configuration that can change this - which is the reason for my post today to users at oo.org. Any ideas? Douglas Hinds - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org PDF is not meant for editing. Period. OTOH, I had good results with Inkscape when I tried to apply minor modification to simple PDFs. -- Marcello Romani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re[4]: [users] PDF Conversion
Will Acrobat run under WINE? http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=847 I had installed Adobe CS4 Master Collection under WinXP Pro 32 (which includes Acrobat Pro) on a computer I no longer have. It was a legal copy so I should be able to download it again, but http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=versioniId=12735 shows poor results running ubuntu v. 10.04 (which Mint 9 is based on. I expect to upgrade to Mint 10 but am in no hurry and IAC, no one has indicated better results. Since I had been using Solid Converter PDF with good results (which I've haven't been able to get running under Wine) I used it very little. Both PDF Edit and PDF Studio do an equally adequate job converting text to txt files but I haven't had much luck getting the former to underline or high text while the Commercial App (PDF Studio) does this very well. It adds DEMO in big letters across the page but this will disappear by paying $60 dollars (not cheap - more than Sold Converter PDF - but cheaper that Acrobat Pro and it's a Linux program). I haven't had much luck using GhostScript so at present this seems to be the solution that comes the closest to providing the functionality I had under Windows with SC pdf). (I am still looking at PostScript / PDF convertors for Linux http://artifex.com/ There is also a possibility that Acrobat Pro would run OK under VirtualBox or something similar. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: Re[2]: [users] PDF Conversion
On 10 December 2010 20:43, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 2010-12-10 21:13:38 skrev Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com: Todd Goatley suggested: Try Adobe Reader. You can save the doc in text, then open it in OO. Thank you for your response, but: Adobe Acrobat Reader is a Windows Program There is a Linux version of Adobe Reader, I've used it for years. For Adobe Acrobat however, there is no Linux version as far as I know, but that was not what was suggested. snip Will Acrobat run under WINE? -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: Re[2]: [users] PDF Conversion
Den 2010-12-12 12:18:58 skrev Harold Fuchs hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com: On 10 December 2010 20:43, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 2010-12-10 21:13:38 skrev Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com: Todd Goatley suggested: Try Adobe Reader. You can save the doc in text, then open it in OO. Thank you for your response, but: Adobe Acrobat Reader is a Windows Program There is a Linux version of Adobe Reader, I've used it for years. For Adobe Acrobat however, there is no Linux version as far as I know, but that was not what was suggested. snip Will Acrobat run under WINE? http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=847 -- Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] PDF Conversion
OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results were not adequate. I no longer use Windows. Can anyone suggest a Linux Application (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to convert PDF files to a format editable in OO? Thanks in advance for your suggestions. -- Douglas Hinds - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Douglas Hinds wrote: OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results were not adequate. I no longer use Windows. Can anyone suggest a Linux Application (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to convert PDF files to a format editable in OO? Thanks in advance for your suggestions. It might help if you had stated what you meant by the results were not adequate. What type of editing do you want to do? Where does OOo fail to do what you want? Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Try Adobe Reader. You can save the doc in text, then open it in OO. Todd Goatley Email: tgoat...@gmail.com Mobile mail: 7752230...@tmomail.com C: 775-223-0839 Sent from myTouch 4G - Reply message - From: Daniel Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@openoffice.org Subject: [users] PDF Conversion Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 10:51 Douglas Hinds wrote: OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results were not adequate. I no longer use Windows. Can anyone suggest a Linux Application (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to convert PDF files to a format editable in OO? Thanks in advance for your suggestions. It might help if you had stated what you meant by the results were not adequate. What type of editing do you want to do? Where does OOo fail to do what you want? Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
Den 2010-12-10 19:39:44 skrev Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com: OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results were not adequate. I no longer use Windows. Can anyone suggest a Linux Application (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to convert PDF files to a format editable in OO? Thanks in advance for your suggestions. What kind of ”editing” do you frequently want to do? If it is simple things like filling in a PDF form (FDF), you can use Evince. I discovered that the other day by accident… I know that it didn't work in earlier versions, but now it does (I use Evince 2.32.0). You can fill in some fields, save the document, open it again and continue editing the fields. You still can not do that in Adobe Reader though. -- Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re[2]: [users] PDF Conversion
Todd Goatley suggested: Try Adobe Reader. You can save the doc in text, then open it in OO. Thank you for your response, but: Adobe Acrobat Reader is a Windows Program, and Saving to a text file (equivalent to extracting the text) means that I lose both the graphics and the rest of the page formatting, which Is not really what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in an editable format. In Windows (a now obsolete OS) Solid Converter PDF does a good job of doing that, but I have not been able to run under Wine (I'm using TheBat! version 3.99 - an email client for win - to write this with - WineHQ informer me that version 4 won't run, but v. 3.x will). Other commercial pdf editors/creators include Foxit but I was hoping an opensource app was available (Ghostscript will extract to text but as I mentioned, that's not what I have in mind). In any case, than you for your response. Douglas Hinds Email: tgoat...@gmail.com Mobile mail: 7752230...@tmomail.com C: 775-223-0839 Sent from myTouch 4G - Reply message - From: Daniel Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@openoffice.org Subject: [users] PDF Conversion Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 10:51 Douglas Hinds wrote: OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: Re[2]: [users] PDF Conversion
Den 2010-12-10 21:13:38 skrev Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com: Todd Goatley suggested: Try Adobe Reader. You can save the doc in text, then open it in OO. Thank you for your response, but: Adobe Acrobat Reader is a Windows Program There is a Linux version of Adobe Reader, I've used it for years. For Adobe Acrobat however, there is no Linux version as far as I know, but that was not what was suggested. Best regards Johnny Rosenberg , and Saving to a text file (equivalent to extracting the text) means that I lose both the graphics and the rest of the page formatting, which Is not really what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in an editable format. In Windows (a now obsolete OS) Solid Converter PDF does a good job of doing that, but I have not been able to run under Wine (I'm using TheBat! version 3.99 - an email client for win - to write this with - WineHQ informer me that version 4 won't run, but v. 3.x will). Other commercial pdf editors/creators include Foxit but I was hoping an opensource app was available (Ghostscript will extract to text but as I mentioned, that's not what I have in mind). In any case, than you for your response. Douglas Hinds Email: tgoat...@gmail.com Mobile mail: 7752230...@tmomail.com C: 775-223-0839 Sent from myTouch 4G - Reply message - From: Daniel Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@openoffice.org Subject: [users] PDF Conversion Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 10:51 Douglas Hinds wrote: OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset. However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a editable format. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re[2]: [users] PDF Conversion
It might help if you had stated what you meant by the results were not adequate. OO writer can now open pdf files, but it opens them in OO Draw and each and every line is included in it's own text box so the documents flow is totally lost for the purpose of editing. The letterhead didn't appear, either. And we are describing a pdf document created in writer and exported to pdf from there. What type of editing do you want to do? I want a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in a totally editable form. Where does OOo fail to do what you want? It doesn't do the above. OO opens pdf files in Draw - that means it's a graphics rather than a document file. Perhaps there's a configuration that can change this - which is the reason for my post today to users at oo.org. Any ideas? Douglas Hinds - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
On Fri Dec 10 2010 12:13:38 GMT-0800 (PST) Douglas Hinds wrote: Todd Goatley suggested: Try Adobe Reader. You can save the doc in text, then open it in OO. Thank you for your response, but: Adobe Acrobat Reader is a Windows Program, and There are versions of Adobe Reader for Linux as well. Available from the Ubuntu repositories. Saving to a text file (equivalent to extracting the text) means that I lose both the graphics and the rest of the page formatting, which Is not really what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in an editable format. Have you tried looking at the Ubuntu repositories? There is one there called PDF Editor . It is listed under the Graphics programs but it seems to work. It does not dot save to the ODF format so any editing will have to be done within PDF Editor. HTH Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] PDF Conversion
At 14:47 10/12/2010 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: OO writer can now open pdf files, but it opens them in OO Draw and each and every line is included in it's own text box so the documents flow is totally lost for the purpose of editing. It may be worth saying that this is precisely what you should expect. There is no text flow in a PDF document: each line is a separate line, with no information in the file to indicate whether the lines are separate paragraphs or parts of a single paragraph. Software has at best to guess where the paragraph breaks are, and cannot always get it right. And we are describing a pdf document created in writer and exported to pdf from there. Well, there is your answer: go back to the .odt file that you or your correspondent saved from Writer and kept for exactly this scenario - the need for further editing. Expecting to do this from a PDF version is a bit like scanning a hard copy and expecting to get a fully formed word processor document from it. But good luck in your endeavours nevertheless! I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: Re[2]: [users] PDF Conversion
Den 2010-12-10 21:47:08 skrev Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com: It might help if you had stated what you meant by the results were not adequate. OO writer can now open pdf files, but it opens them in OO Draw and each and every line is included in it's own text box so the documents flow is totally lost for the purpose of editing. The letterhead didn't appear, either. And we are describing a pdf document created in writer and exported to pdf from there. What type of editing do you want to do? I want a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in a totally editable form. Where does OOo fail to do what you want? It doesn't do the above. OO opens pdf files in Draw - that means it's a graphics rather than a document file. Perhaps there's a configuration that can change this - which is the reason for my post today to users at oo.org. Any ideas? Douglas Hinds Well, there are a few PDF editors out there, most of them are crap, but you have to find out for yourself what suits your need best. Someone has already mentioned PDF Editor. You can also edit PDF files in Scribus I think, and maybe even Incscape. There are also commercial software, one of them is PDF Studio, which I installed on my system. You can use it without paying anything for a short period of time and after that you need to purchase or use a somewhat crippled version… But not everything is free in life, not even for Linux users some times… -- Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re[4]: [users] PDF Conversion
What type of editing do you want to do? I want a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in a totally editable form. Where does OOo fail to do what you want? It doesn't do the above. OO writer opens pdf files in Draw - that means it's a graphics rather than a document file. Perhaps there's a configuration that can change this - which is the reason for my post today to users at oo.org. Any ideas? Douglas Hinds Well, there are a few PDF editors out there, most of them are crap, but you have to find out for yourself what suits your need best. I work with development issues and the pdf files I have to deal with describe governmental programs that provide support for certain types of projects. Each program has it's own Prerequisites, including Formats that must be used. So I need underline certain passages and sometimes make them bold. And I need to cite the relevant articles. These are public documents but the text within a pdf file can't be manipulated in that way. Solid Converter PDF is a commercial Win application that does a pretty good job at converting pdf files to rtf or word docs (it will generally keep the flow and graphics intact, providing a number of options through a wizard, which seem to handle most cases). Someone has already mentioned PDF Editor. I'll try it. I installed PDF Chain (a GUI for PDFTK), which doesn't seem to fit my needs (as described above). You can also edit PDF files in Scribus I think, and maybe even Incscape. More than editing, I need the capacity to convert pdf files to a format 00 can handle as a document. There are also commercial software, one of them is PDF Studio, which I installed on my system. You can use it without paying anything for a short period of time and after that you need to purchase or use a somewhat crippled version… I'll check that out too. But not everything is free in life, not even for Linux users some times… OO and free unix-like OSs represent a very different approach to IT, with opencode and mutual support being principles that users and developers adhere to. Evolutionary Biologist Lynn Margulis claims that the principle force driving the most significant evolutionary leaps is NOT Natural Selection (as Darwin believed) but rather the integration of previously separate organisms (which allowed Prokaryotes to become Eukayotes - including homo sapiens). Culturally, Collaboration is preferable to Competition but I'm not a purist - we have to deal with things that are available and I use some commercial software (i.e. The Bat!, which as I mentioned earlier, is running pretty well under Wine). Thanks to all here who mentioned possible options, which I will take a look at tomorrow. Douglas Hinds - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] PDF Conversion
Hello Does Office.org convert office documents to a pdf format. Thank you David Dettmann
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:28:14 -0500 David Dettmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Does Office.org convert office documents to a pdf format. Yes. It has a built-in capability to do that. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Dettmann wrote: Hello Does Office.org convert office documents to a pdf format. Thank you David Dettmann Yes, it can create PDF's. --
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OO 1.1.4 (linux,windows) Greetings When I convert a spreadsheet to pdf, the resulting pdf file has very wide blank/white region of either side [of the spreadsheet left and right margins]. I tried just about anything available in the 'PDF Options' like I manually selected the cells, I gave it a range, etc,etc. Any way to convert the spreadsheet to pdf without this annoying effect? Thanks, Farid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are 2 ways I know to generate PDF: 1. the built-in PDF export in OO. This creates HUGE files -- 20 times that of ps2pdf 2. ps2pdf of a postscript file. PS is generated by print print to file. Issue: print to file defaults to root or home directories. I want to print to the document directory, which may be deep in the directory tree. OO doesn't even remember the last print directory, so each new PS generation requires another traversal of the directory tree. Sure, there's always print-to-root than mv. But this creates an opportunity for user error (forgetting to mv the file). Any suggestions? thanks, Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 01 April 2005 12:45, Dan Connelly wrote: There are 2 ways I know to generate PDF: 1. the built-in PDF export in OO. This creates HUGE files -- 20 times that of ps2pdf I'd suspect its downloading to the pdf, a fresh copy of the fonts for every page. I've seen a reference, way back up the log now, for a way to stop that behaviour, but NDI where I saw it. Long before I subbed to this list. I too take exception to haveing to traverse a rather lengthy directory tree for every file operation, that just plain sucks. What do you wanna bet that SO doesn't make you jump through those hoops? But that I don't know, my last SO was 5 (I think) or maybe 6, whatever was the last freely downloadable version years ago. Maybe thats one of the things that make SO worth the purchase? 2. ps2pdf of a postscript file. PS is generated by print print to file. Issue: print to file defaults to root or home directories. I want to print to the document directory, which may be deep in the directory tree. OO doesn't even remember the last print directory, so each new PS generation requires another traversal of the directory tree. Sure, there's always print-to-root than mv. But this creates an opportunity for user error (forgetting to mv the file). Any suggestions? thanks, Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.34% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
