Re: [Users] Fwd: POM files missing

2012-02-19 Thread Itamar Heim

On 02/16/2012 03:43 PM, sebastiaocl...@netscape.net wrote:




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From: sebastiaocleto sebastiaocl...@netscape.net
To: iheim ih...@redhat.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Users] POM files missing

Thank you for your prompt response.
Already tried those commands, but with no success, errors are repeated.

I do have started again with a jboss installed from zip file, maybe it
work ok.

I do have observed too, that pom.xml files do reference a variables like
${commons-collections}, that don't was initialized and, consequently,
the commands *mvn clean install -Pdep,setup* can't find the files that
they need.
Are there some configuration file that I can initialize those variables?


you are building at root folder, right?
-Pdep doesn't work with clean. it is supposed to deploy the EAR you 
built the previous step iirc.




Thank you.

Sebastião Cleto.


can you try to rule out broken unitests failing you, rather than



environment?






-Original Message-
From: Itamar Heim ih...@redhat.com mailto:ih...@redhat.com
To: sebastiaocleto sebastiaocl...@netscape.net
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Cc: users users@ovirt.org mailto:users@ovirt.org
Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Users] POM files missing

On 02/15/2012 06:06 PM,sebastiaocl...@netscape.net  wrote:




 Hi!





 I read the message from *Itamar Heim*respondingto *Thomas Broda*about





 the POM missing files, writing in December 05, 2011, but I could not





 found those files, in any sub directories under my $OVIRT_HOME, after





 the previous command:











 mvn clean install -Pgwt-user,gwt-admin








can you try to rule out broken unitests failing you, rather than



environment?



mvn clean install -Pgwt-user,gwt-admin -DskipTests














 Just one error is reported after:











 *Results :











 Failed tests:





 
testformatValueWithTime(org.ovirt.engine.core.searchbackend.AuditLogConditionFieldAutoCompleterTest)











 Tests run: 30, Failures: 1, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0*



































 I'm trying to build ovirt-engine under Debian Squeeze 6.0.4. Hereafter





 my settings.xml:











 settings xmlns=http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0;





 xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance;





 xsi:schemaLocation=http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0





 http://maven.apache.org/xsd/settings-1.0.0.xsd;











 !-- PROFILES --











 activeProfiles





 activeProfileoVirtEnvSettings/activeProfile





 /activeProfiles











 profiles





 profile





 idoVirtEnvSettings/id





 properties





 jbossHome/etc/jbossas5/jbossHome





 JAVA_1_6_HOME/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk/JAVA_1_6_HOME





 forkTestsalways/forkTests





 /properties





 /profile





 /profiles





 /settings











 Thanks a lot.











 Sebastião Cleto.





























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Re: [Users] Setting UUID

2012-02-19 Thread Simon Grinberg


- Original Message -
 From: Itamar Heim ih...@redhat.com
 To: Livnat Peer lp...@redhat.com
 Cc: users@ovirt.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:43:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [Users] Setting UUID
 
 On 02/18/2012 11:15 PM, Livnat Peer wrote:
  On 18/02/12 22:33, Nathan Stratton wrote:
  On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Livnat Peer wrote:
 
  How about setting the VM name instead of UUID? It won't update
  permissions automatically though.
 
  Not sure I follow, VM name is good, but there are all sorts of
  things
  that care about UUID changing.
 
  off the top my head I can think of
  - permissions
  - events
  - tags
  - quota
 
  Permission and Quota can be handled manually the other two won't
  point
  to 'new' VM.
 
  That is why we are looking for the
  ability to set it. Today it looks like all UUIDs are random, and I
  assume that a UUID needs to be unique, but how hard would it be to
  be
  able to specify a UUID? Libvirt allows this to be done and we do
  it all
  the time in our XML kvm files.
 
  Changing VM id does not sound like a complicated feature, when
  designing
  such a feature need to think of what are the impact on the history
  DB
  and events in the audit log (if such id was in use before).
 
 Nathan - it would be good to start by explaining if you care about
 the
 UUID as the engine sees it, or as devices and applications see it in
 the
 guest.
 I'm guessing you care about the guest.
 to do what you want, would rquire decoupling the uuid as used by
 engine
 to identify the guest, from the one vdsm exposes to the guest.
 today the entire chain (including libvirt) uses the same uuid.

That was my first reaction when reading that:
Not sure that you want to break that, it will require more mapping later.
Assume an external monitoring tool the collects stats, if the VM has the same 
hardware UUID as the engine uses it will be easier to correlate the data 
separately from a guest agent and from the history DB.

But then I've started to think that in some DR scenarios where both VMs (backup 
and source) are on the same engine but different clusters/sites. I think that 
an option to manually set the UUID of a VM is a must. So a better option would 
be to have HW UUID field in the VM properties where like for MACs you'll have 
the option to generate automatically or set manually. This mapping must be 
managed by the engine for use cases as I've mentioned above.




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Re: [Users] ANNOUNCE: ovirt-engine-cli 2.0

2012-02-19 Thread Ofer Schreiber
SRPMS and new RPMS/tarballs are now available at ovirt.org.

- Original Message -
 Hi.
 SRС RPM packages are not found
 
 [root@noc-2-synt ~]# yum install ovirt-engine-cli
 Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, security
 Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
  * elrepo: jur-linux.org
  * sl: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-debuginfo: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-fastbugs: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-security: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-testing: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-testing-source: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
 Setting up Install Process
 Resolving Dependencies
 -- Running transaction check
 --- Package ovirt-engine-cli.noarch 0:2.0-1.fc16 will be installed
 -- Processing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.7 for package:
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 -- Processing Dependency: ovirt-engine-sdk = 1.5 for package:
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 -- Processing Dependency: python-ply for package:
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 -- Processing Dependency: python-setuptools for package:
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 -- Running transaction check
 --- Package ovirt-engine-cli.noarch 0:2.0-1.fc16 will be installed
 -- Processing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.7 for package:
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 -- Processing Dependency: python-ply for package:
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 --- Package ovirt-engine-sdk.noarch 0:1.5-1.fc16 will be installed
 -- Processing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.7 for package:
 ovirt-engine-sdk-1.5-1.fc16.noarch
 --- Package python-setuptools.noarch 0:0.6.10-3.el6 will be
 installed
 -- Finished Dependency Resolution
 Error: Package: ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch (ovirt-engine)
Requires: python(abi) = 2.7
Installed: python-2.6.6-29.el6.x86_64 (@sl/6.1)
python(abi) = 2.6
 Error: Package: ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch (ovirt-engine)
Requires: python-ply
 Error: Package: ovirt-engine-sdk-1.5-1.fc16.noarch (ovirt-engine)
Requires: python(abi) = 2.7
Installed: python-2.6.6-29.el6.x86_64 (@sl/6.1)
python(abi) = 2.6
  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
  You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
 
 
 
 
 [root@noc-2-synt ~]# yumdownloader --source ovirt-engine-cli
 Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
 Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
  * elrepo: jur-linux.org
  * sl: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-debuginfo: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-fastbugs: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-security: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-testing: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
  * sl-testing-source: ftp2.scientificlinux.org
 Enabling sl-source repository
 No source RPM found for ovirt-engine-cli-1.2-1.fc16.x86_64
 No source RPM found for ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1.fc16.noarch
 
 [root@noc-2-synt ~]# cat /etc/yum.repos.d/ovirt-engine.repo
 [ovirt-engine]
 name=ovirt-engine
 baseurl=http://www.ovirt.org/releases/nightly/fedora/16/
 enabled=1
 gpgcheck=0
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: users-boun...@ovirt.org [mailto:users-boun...@ovirt.org] On
 Behalf Of
 Michael Pasternak
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:55 PM
 To: users@ovirt.org
 Subject: Re: [Users] ANNOUNCE: ovirt-engine-cli 2.0
 
 
 Please use second release (it's fixes typo in 'create vm' template
 argument)
 
 ovirt-engine-sdk-1.5-2.fc16.noarch.rpm
 ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-2.fc16.noarch.rpm
 
 On 02/16/2012 01:27 PM, Michael Pasternak wrote:
  
  Hi All,
  
  I'm happy to announce the general oVirt CLI 2.0 availability,
  
  New features:
  
  
  - New application core.
  - Added support for commands history stack.
  - Added support for context aware auto-completion.
  - Dynamic ovirt-engine-sdk metadata discovering.
  - Dynamic help for each command and resource.
  - Removed restriction for specific version of ovirt-engine-sdk
from 1.5 and further ovirt-engine-cli can work with any
version of sdk (unless sdk introduced cli incompatible change).
  - same naming convention in ovirt-engine-cli and ovirt-engine-sdk.
  - reformatted output to support reduced and expended modes in
'list' in 'show' commands by --show-all argument.
  - new object fields formatting.
  - added support for linux bash commands from the cli.
  - shell redirection support.
  - added SSL connection capabilities to 'connect' command.
  - added API version discovering mechanism.
  
  RPMs
  
  
  http://www.ovirt.org/releases/nightly/fedora/16/ovirt-engine-sdk-1.5-1
  .fc16.noarch.rpm
  http://www.ovirt.org/releases/nightly/fedora/16/ovirt-engine-cli-2.0-1
  .fc16.noarch.rpm
  
  
  Misc
  
  
  - use 'help' for syntax/arguments questions.
  - use TAB completion for option variables as they get converted
  to
command line options with different syntax.
  - cli still requires super-user, this restriction will be drooped
  at
next version.
  
 
 
 --
 
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Re: [Users] Ovirt Engine as a VM

2012-02-19 Thread Shu Ming

On 2012-2-19 2:16, Nathan Stratton wrote:


Had anyone created a how to or notes on how to manage an ovirt engine 
as a guest on the cluster? This should be possible, when the cluster 
is powered up for the first time it would require some specialized 
instructions to fire up the ovirt engine on a node.


Does the guest(VM)  hosting the ovirt-engine be managed by the 
ovirt-engine?  If It does,  it looks like a logical loop here.  Say,  if 
the ovirt-engine stop the hosting VM,  the ovirt-engine will also be 
stopped.




P.S. Are there any plans for redundant ovirt engines in the works?




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Re: [Users] [vdsm] Restoring Virtual Machines

2012-02-19 Thread Itamar Heim

On 02/19/2012 04:45 PM, Igor Lvovsky wrote:



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boun...@lists.fedorahosted.org] On Behalf Of Itamar Heim
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:13 PM
To: ??
Cc: users@ovirt.org; vdsm-de...@lists.fedorahosted.org
Subject: Re: [vdsm] [Users] Restoring Virtual Machines

On 02/17/2012 11:51 AM, ?? wrote:

Can I use the data of storage domain, created in the old ovirt to
import
virtual machines in a new ovirt?
It is possible to convert the data of storage domain in export
domain
manually? To mount it as a Export domain in a new overt


No, it's impossible. The export domain has specific layout (similar to
layout of master domain)
  that contains for example VM's ovf files.
In theory you can 'hijack' master domain, but the flow is very complicated
and not recommended.


if someone has only a single master storage domain, why can't they make 
it an export domain?






cc-ing vdsm-devel on how to change the metadata of the SD to make it an
export domain, instead of a data domain (which is pretty arbitrary iirc).





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From: Itamar Heim [mailto:ih...@redhat.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:36 AM
To: ??
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Subject: Re: [Users] Restoring Virtual Machines

On 02/15/2012 11:43 AM, ?? wrote:

hi, in the process of testing ovirt some questions:
1. If you are upgrading ovirt we erased the database postgress,
whether it is possible to restore the list of virtual machines without
having to restore the database from the dump? Take a virtual machine
working on the nodes.


not easily right now.
easiest (other than restore) would probably be to make the storage
domain
into an export domain, and import from it in the new engine.


2. Is it possible to manage virtual machines through the cli?


yes.


3. Is it possible to arrange a backup of virtual machines without
interruption of its performance?


I don't think there is a simple answer to this question.
can you explain what is the exact concern?

thanks,
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Re: [Users] Is it possible to run the node and engine on the same box?

2012-02-19 Thread Doron Fediuck
On 19/02/12 15:33, Brent Bolin wrote:
 Assume if it was possible fedora 16 with the additional repos would be
 suggested.

Hi Brent,
ovirt-node is read-only by nature (with the exception of some configurations).
This means you cannot simply install rpm's on it. Instead both vdsm and the
engine core needs to be pre-built on the node. This is not trivial, as the
engine core requires many packages.

If we assume you're using standard Fedora to be able to install rpm's, then
we come to the next set of issues; co-hosting engine core with vdsm. There
are things that need to be taken care of such as-
- Adding the same host as a new host into the engine will cause reboot, which
is not a good thing to do to the engine core during the installation process
of the host..
- Fencing the co-hosted machine should not be fenced under any 
circumstances,
in order to protect the engine core.
- Networking... networking changes may impact the engine core as well. So here 
again
we need to be careful.

To conclude,
it is possible to create a co-hosted machine used both by vdsm and engine-core.
However, we need to verify the machine is not being rebooted. There are thoughts
and maybe some work on achieving it, but it will take some time.
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Re: [Users] Is it possible to run the node and engine on the same box?

2012-02-19 Thread Brent Bolin
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Doron Fediuck dfedi...@redhat.com wrote:
 On 19/02/12 15:33, Brent Bolin wrote:
 Assume if it was possible fedora 16 with the additional repos would be
 suggested.

 Hi Brent,
 ovirt-node is read-only by nature (with the exception of some configurations).
 This means you cannot simply install rpm's on it. Instead both vdsm and the
 engine core needs to be pre-built on the node. This is not trivial, as the
 engine core requires many packages.

 If we assume you're using standard Fedora to be able to install rpm's, then
 we come to the next set of issues; co-hosting engine core with vdsm. There
 are things that need to be taken care of such as-
 - Adding the same host as a new host into the engine will cause reboot, which
 is not a good thing to do to the engine core during the installation process
 of the host..
 - Fencing the co-hosted machine should not be fenced under any 
 circumstances,
 in order to protect the engine core.
 - Networking... networking changes may impact the engine core as well. So 
 here again
 we need to be careful.

 To conclude,
 it is possible to create a co-hosted machine used both by vdsm and 
 engine-core.
 However, we need to verify the machine is not being rebooted. There are 
 thoughts
 and maybe some work on achieving it, but it will take some time.
 --

 /d

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 get any worse it suddenly does.” --Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to 
 the Galaxy

Thanks for your reply.

I've used XEN, ESX and now i'm focusing on KVM because that's where I
think the technology is going.  Very interested in the GUI management
and not having to use windows for the engine database(ESX) or windows
client(vSphere).

The ovirt node ISO is still pretty buggy from what I've seen.  stdout
errors and the install just not working without more then one attempt.
 Even tried breaking in as root to install ovirt engine repos without
success.  Getting some odd errors when trying to set the root password
to a known value.

Any way I was able to install ovirt engine and vdsm by looking at the
install guides using fedora 16 x86_64 DVD ISO.  Doing a minimal
install.

Was able to bring up the mgmt UI.  Saw exactly what your talking about
requiring a reboot when adding a node host.  Wasn't sure if that's the
way it's suppose to work or not.  Kinda like the surgeon working on
his own hands!.  Don't think the node registration fully installed
itself because it re-booty up'ed itself.

Networking isn't very clear if the above was tried.  Example: using
loopback 127.0.0.1 as the host node address.  Not sure if the node
host has to be reachable via a bridged network etc... .

Thought it was worth the question because I'd like to know.
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Re: [Users] migration failed

2012-02-19 Thread зоррыч
Thank you!
There was a wrong host on one of the nodes in  /etc/hostname 




-Original Message-
From: Nathan Stratton [mailto:nat...@robotics.net] 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:27 PM
To: ??
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Subject: Re: [Users] migration failed

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, ?? wrote:

 How do I fix it?
 I checked the host name on both nodes and found that they resolves 
 correctly (there is an entry in /etc/hostname).
 In DNS hostname is not registered (!)

Have you tried entering them all in /etc/hosts?


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[Users] Suspend VM and export or snapshots

2012-02-19 Thread зоррыч
 Hi
Why can not I make a snapshot or export a virtual machine while it is suspended?
Ovirt do not give me that opportunity. To export or snapshot, turn off the 
virtual machine.
This is the right behavior?
Many hypervisors allow you to do a backup (or snapshot) with a suspended 
virtual machine to.
I can manually enable this feature in ovirt? it is very inconvenient.

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Re: [Users] Ovirt Engine as a VM

2012-02-19 Thread Nathan Stratton

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Shu Ming wrote:


On 2012-2-19 2:16, Nathan Stratton wrote:


Had anyone created a how to or notes on how to manage an ovirt engine as a 
guest on the cluster? This should be possible, when the cluster is powered 
up for the first time it would require some specialized instructions to 
fire up the ovirt engine on a node.


Does the guest(VM)  hosting the ovirt-engine be managed by the ovirt-engine? 
If It does,  it looks like a logical loop here.  Say,  if the ovirt-engine 
stop the hosting VM,  the ovirt-engine will also be stopped.


There are issues to be worked out, but I think it makes more sense then 
dedicated hardware for the ovirt-engine.





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Re: [Users] LDAP

2012-02-19 Thread Nathan Stratton

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Yaniv Kaul wrote:


Sorry, my fault - should have seen it earlier - we do not support OpenLDAP yet 
- we fail to parse its rootDSE, therefore do not have a way to proceed.
I think there's a RFE for it somewhere filed, but if not, worth filing.


Ouch, do you support Apache Directory Server?




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Re: [Users] LDAP

2012-02-19 Thread Yair Zaslavsky
On 02/19/2012 10:30 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
 On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Yaniv Kaul wrote:
 
 Sorry, my fault - should have seen it earlier - we do not support
 OpenLDAP yet - we fail to parse its rootDSE, therefore do not have a
 way to proceed.
 I think there's a RFE for it somewhere filed, but if not, worth filing.
 
 Ouch, do you support Apache Directory Server?
Sorry Nathan, we do not support this one as well.

Yair

 
 
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Re: [Users] Is it possible to run the node and engine on the same box?

2012-02-19 Thread Perry Myers
On 02/19/2012 07:17 PM, Brent Bolin wrote:
 and the install just not working without more then one attempt.

 Can you provide more details?  Otherwise we can't fix the issues.
 
 Just that the installer says it fails and the only option is to
 reboot.  Sometimes going into the troubleshooting option and selecting
 reinstall fixes it other times not.  Makes me wonder if ovirt iso
 install can't handle pre existing partions/lvm remnants.

It should be able to.  Over the past months we've made numerous fixes
for this.

However, if you have already installed oVirt Node to the disk, you need
to select the 'Reinstall' option from the Grub menu (listed under
Troubleshooting menu option in Grub)

So perhaps what you're seeing is Install vs. Reinstall.  In any case, we
should handle this more gracefully or at least provide some add'l
diagnostics to indicate the core reason why it failed to install.

If you could file a bug against the ovirt-node component in bugzilla, we
can definitely try to make this more user friendly.

  Even tried breaking in as root to install ovirt engine repos without
 success.  Getting some odd errors when trying to set the root password
 to a known value.

 Echoing what Doron said in his reply... Don't try to install oVirt
 Engine onto oVirt Node.  The stateless nature of oVirt Node makes
 running the mgmt server there not possible.
 
 I don't understand this statement.  Are you talking about firewall
 stateless connections?

The filesystem in oVirt Node is stateless.  If you attempt to install an
rpm, when you reboot the changes are lost.  The entire filesystem is in
RAM aside from a few select configuration files that are manually
persisted to a 5MB config partition on disk.

 If you want to run the Engine on the same machine as other oVirt
 controlled VMs, then you should use a heavyweight install of Fedora and
 put the Engine and VDSM side by side on that.

 The fact that you can't easily run oVirt Engine on the oVirt Node is not
 a bug, or a sign of instability.  It's simply not what oVirt Node was
 designed for.
 
 I understand this.  However in these days of my old age I don't run
 half a dozen chassis, skins, power supplies, hd's, mb etc... like to
 use virtualization hosts for my personal lab environment.  Right now I
 accomplish this using a kvm host and virt-manager

Right.  We're not suggesting that you can't use oVirt in this way.  You
should absolutely be able to use a single physical host running Fedora
16 and on that host run both the oVirt Engine as well as vdsm, so that
you can have an 'oVirt in a single box' setup.

All we were saying here is that you can't use oVirt Node specifically to
do the above, since it's a livecd with a stateless filesystem and
contains 'just enough OS' to run virtual machines, and no where near
enough OS to run a mgmt server.

Now, what should be possible... is to run oVirt Node and run on that
node a single VM that is not managed by oVirt Engine, and run the engine
inside that VM.  However in order to do this, you'd need to get past a
chicken-egg issue with starting a VM on oVirt Node prior to it being
registered with the oVirt Engine.

I wonder if we should expose a special command/config option in oVirt
Node to allow it to run a single VM so that oVirt Engine can be
colocated as a VM.  Anyone have any thoughts on that?

 The real power from what I read about the ovirt road map is using
 native kvm, management server without the need of windows server,
 vmotion type clustering etc...

All of that is accurate

 I am going to look over Doron notes.  Specifically the networking.
 
 Cheers... keep up the good work.

Thanks for the feedback and experimentation :)

Perry
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Re: [Users] Suspend VM and export or snapshots

2012-02-19 Thread Livnat Peer
On 19/02/12 23:27, зоррыч wrote:
 Support a living export (similar to a live snapshot) will be added in the 
 future?
 

We have a request to provide a backup API and it is on the roadmap not
sure how soon we'll handle that.

Another feature you can find relevant (and will be available soon) is
creating VM from snapshot.
Although far from perfect you can use live snapshot and then create VM
from that snapshot. (If you really want this on export domain you can
export the VM you created).

Livnat

 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Livnat Peer [mailto:lp...@redhat.com] 
 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:56 PM
 To: зоррыч
 Cc: users@ovirt.org
 Subject: Re: [Users] Suspend VM and export or snapshots
 
 On 19/02/12 19:40, зоррыч wrote:
  Hi
 Why can not I make a snapshot or export a virtual machine while it is 
 suspended?
 Ovirt do not give me that opportunity. To export or snapshot, turn off the 
 virtual machine.
 This is the right behavior?
 
 Currently taking a snapshot and exporting a suspended VM is not supported.
 
 Many hypervisors allow you to do a backup (or snapshot) with a suspended 
 virtual machine to.
 I can manually enable this feature in ovirt? it is very inconvenient.

 
 Very soon (in a few weeks), we'll have live snapshot which enables taking a 
 snapshot while the VM is running, hope this helps.
 
 Livnat
 
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Re: [Users] Is it possible to run the node and engine on the same box?

2012-02-19 Thread Livnat Peer
On 20/02/12 03:55, Perry Myers wrote:
 On 02/19/2012 07:17 PM, Brent Bolin wrote:
 and the install just not working without more then one attempt.

 Can you provide more details?  Otherwise we can't fix the issues.

 Just that the installer says it fails and the only option is to
 reboot.  Sometimes going into the troubleshooting option and selecting
 reinstall fixes it other times not.  Makes me wonder if ovirt iso
 install can't handle pre existing partions/lvm remnants.
 
 It should be able to.  Over the past months we've made numerous fixes
 for this.
 
 However, if you have already installed oVirt Node to the disk, you need
 to select the 'Reinstall' option from the Grub menu (listed under
 Troubleshooting menu option in Grub)
 
 So perhaps what you're seeing is Install vs. Reinstall.  In any case, we
 should handle this more gracefully or at least provide some add'l
 diagnostics to indicate the core reason why it failed to install.
 
 If you could file a bug against the ovirt-node component in bugzilla, we
 can definitely try to make this more user friendly.
 
  Even tried breaking in as root to install ovirt engine repos without
 success.  Getting some odd errors when trying to set the root password
 to a known value.

 Echoing what Doron said in his reply... Don't try to install oVirt
 Engine onto oVirt Node.  The stateless nature of oVirt Node makes
 running the mgmt server there not possible.

 I don't understand this statement.  Are you talking about firewall
 stateless connections?
 
 The filesystem in oVirt Node is stateless.  If you attempt to install an
 rpm, when you reboot the changes are lost.  The entire filesystem is in
 RAM aside from a few select configuration files that are manually
 persisted to a 5MB config partition on disk.
 
 If you want to run the Engine on the same machine as other oVirt
 controlled VMs, then you should use a heavyweight install of Fedora and
 put the Engine and VDSM side by side on that.

 The fact that you can't easily run oVirt Engine on the oVirt Node is not
 a bug, or a sign of instability.  It's simply not what oVirt Node was
 designed for.

 I understand this.  However in these days of my old age I don't run
 half a dozen chassis, skins, power supplies, hd's, mb etc... like to
 use virtualization hosts for my personal lab environment.  Right now I
 accomplish this using a kvm host and virt-manager
 
 Right.  We're not suggesting that you can't use oVirt in this way.  You
 should absolutely be able to use a single physical host running Fedora
 16 and on that host run both the oVirt Engine as well as vdsm, so that
 you can have an 'oVirt in a single box' setup.
 
 All we were saying here is that you can't use oVirt Node specifically to
 do the above, since it's a livecd with a stateless filesystem and
 contains 'just enough OS' to run virtual machines, and no where near
 enough OS to run a mgmt server.
 
 Now, what should be possible... is to run oVirt Node and run on that
 node a single VM that is not managed by oVirt Engine, and run the engine
 inside that VM.  However in order to do this, you'd need to get past a
 chicken-egg issue with starting a VM on oVirt Node prior to it being
 registered with the oVirt Engine.
 
 I wonder if we should expose a special command/config option in oVirt
 Node to allow it to run a single VM so that oVirt Engine can be
 colocated as a VM.  Anyone have any thoughts on that?
 

I think worth opening a discussion on arch list.

 The real power from what I read about the ovirt road map is using
 native kvm, management server without the need of windows server,
 vmotion type clustering etc...
 
 All of that is accurate
 
 I am going to look over Doron notes.  Specifically the networking.

 Cheers... keep up the good work.
 
 Thanks for the feedback and experimentation :)
 
 Perry
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Re: [Users] LDAP

2012-02-19 Thread Oved Ourfalli
Hey,

More information on the domain infrastructure we have can be found in:
http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/DomainInfrastructure
(I might update it more soon, but it can give you a basic view of how the 
domain management in oVirt is working, and what do you need to update in order 
to support a new ldap provider).

Oved

- Original Message -
 From: Itamar Heim ih...@redhat.com
 To: Nathan Stratton nat...@robotics.net
 Cc: users@ovirt.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:14:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Users] LDAP
 
 On 02/19/2012 11:11 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
  On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Itamar Heim wrote:
 
  the current code supports AD, freeIPA/IPA and 389ds/RHDS.
  if apache directory server is similar to any of them, you could
  try
  hacking the code to add support for it.
 
  Ok, will go with 389 for now, its in the family, tho Gluster is in
  the
  family and you don't support it as a storage file system... : )
 
 please remember you need 389ds with kerberos support.
 
 gluster is in the works...
 see:
 http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/AddingGlusterSupportToOvirt
 
 
  Just kidding, you guys are great, keep up the good work.
 
  
  Nathan Stratton CTO, BlinkMind, Inc.
  nathan at robotics.net nathan at blinkmind.com
  http://www.robotics.net http://www.blinkmind.com
 
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Re: [Users] Is it possible to run the node and engine on the same box?

2012-02-19 Thread Itamar Heim

On 02/20/2012 09:12 AM, Livnat Peer wrote:

On 19/02/12 19:21, Brent Bolin wrote:

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Doron Fediuckdfedi...@redhat.com  wrote:

On 19/02/12 15:33, Brent Bolin wrote:

Assume if it was possible fedora 16 with the additional repos would be
suggested.


Hi Brent,
ovirt-node is read-only by nature (with the exception of some configurations).
This means you cannot simply install rpm's on it. Instead both vdsm and the
engine core needs to be pre-built on the node. This is not trivial, as the
engine core requires many packages.

If we assume you're using standard Fedora to be able to install rpm's, then
we come to the next set of issues; co-hosting engine core with vdsm. There
are things that need to be taken care of such as-
- Adding the same host as a new host into the engine will cause reboot, which
is not a good thing to do to the engine core during the installation process
of the host..


We are adding a flag (host property) to avoid host reboot at the end of
host installation.
This will be available soon and we are thinking to expose it only
through the API (not in the UI).


I think there are two different reboot's being discussed here:
1. reboot at end of an ovirt-node installation by ovirt node 
installation process (anaconda?)
2. reboot at end of configuring a full blown host (i.e., pre installed 
fedora), by ovirt-engine.


I'm assuming perry was talking on #1.
doron is talking on #2, since all-in-one is not relevant at this point 
for #1.

2. reb
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