[ovirt-users] ipv6 FTP not enabled on resources ?
I get this message trying to mirror some content off resources.ovirt.org The following error was encountered while trying to retrieve the URL: ftp://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-3.3/rpm/el6/ Connection to 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe93:4b0d failed. The system returned: (111) Connection refused Is ip6tables not opened, or the anon. ftpd not listening on ipv6? if not, could it please be enabled? It is not possible to readily mirror content off through http ... Thanks -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[ovirt-users] Unable to email from Wiki
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Nick Kesick wrote: Mailer returned: Failed to set sender: w...@ovirt.org [SMTP: Invalid response code received from server (code: 452, response: 4.3.1 Insufficient system storage)] yes -- the drive filled up (again) can someome PLEASE pull, build and install ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/mirror/ORC/diskcheck/diskcheck-1.6-4.orc6.src.rpm which will email notices off the unit when it goes over (by default) 90 pct full? -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [ovirt-users] Is there a plan to allow VM migration?
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, John Gardeniers wrote: Could it be that you're over-thinking this? Why can't Ovirt simply export VMs to a standard format, preferably of course one already used elsewhere, such as ovf? That way it's a straight one-to-one. Life is not so neat not a thought experiment here, but rather a summary of real life, in practice issues hit in working toward a generally applicable, FOSS based solution The testing grid, to make it interesting is to be able to gobble in and use [examples still in production for ome reason or another]: RHL 5.2 RHL 7.2 Windows 95 Windows NT 3.51 Windows 2000 Windows XP --- all above this line are legacy and out of support -- we know this, but our customers are indifferent to such, so long as it does not 'see' the internet at large -- RHEL / CentOS 5 (Xen hooks) RHEL / CentOS 6 (KVM hooks, with grub) RHEL / CentOS 6 (KVM hooks, with grub2) assorted Fedora assorted (but largely recent) Ubuntu Assorted Debian Testing and Stable OpenBSD -- various NetBSD -- various We have automation for parts, but not all of that grid -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[ovirt-users] Is there a plan to allow VM migration?
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, John Gardeniers wrote: As per the subject, is there a plan to allow VM migration? By that I import that into the destination machine. That's slow, cumbersome and still requires the VMs configuration to be manually duplicated. The problem we have run into when trying to implement automated assistance on image migrations between different backing store, is that the bootloader / initrd fixups are not deterministic and 'doable' as between grub, grub2, and other 'first stage' I would love a solution, but after much experimentation, I just don't see a good path to solving this in a general form. (it is not a many spokes to one common interchange format, and then one to new spoke transition, but rather a many to many problem) Perhaps the libguestfs uplift mentioned for a few months from now with the RHEL 7.1 updates will help -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[ovirt-users] getting 404 after fresh install of oVirt 3.4 on CentOS 6.5 (+ solution)
On Tue, 13 May 2014, Sven Kieske wrote: Doesn't this make you wonder where the minimum requirements come from? If it runs with less than 1 GB RAM, why do the docs say you need 4 GB and recommend even 16 GB ? certainly a fair question ... There is also a statement in that setup script as to needed filesystem space which seems to have been simply 'pulled out of the air', rather than documented / explained Is it just a matter of scale(number of vms/hosts/DCs) ? What would make engine consume more RAM? Can you maybe lower the minimum requirements? Or isolate the recommendations to a flat file which is commented, and sourced by the script, so a person can discern the difference between 'hard' requirements, and simple 'recommendations' for a stated use case -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[ovirt-users] Ovirt snapshot failing on one VM
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014, Steve Dainard wrote: I have other VM's with the same amount of snapshots without this problem. No conclusion jumping going on. More interested in what the best practice is for VM's that accumulate snapshots over time. For some real world context, we seem to accumulate snapshots using our local approach, and are not that focused on, or attentive about removing them. The 'highwater mark' of 39, on a machine that has been around since it was provisioned: 2010-01-05 [root@xxx backups]# ./count-snapshots.sh | sort -n | tail -3 38 vm_64099 38 vm_98036 39 vm_06359 Accumulating large numbers of snapshots seems more the function of pets, than ephemeral 'cattle' I wrote the first paragraph without looking up the 'owners' of the images. As I dereference the VM id's, all of the top ten in that list turn out to be mailservers, radius servers, name servers, and such, where the business unit owners chose not (or neglect) to 'winnow' their herd. There are no ephemeral use units in the top ten -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] adding scripts
the threading is not clear to me, and I hope I have the attributions correct On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Greg Sheremeta wrote: From: aditya mamidwar aditya.mamid...@gmail.com To: aw...@redhat.com, engine-de...@ovirt.org, users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 6:14:01 AM Subject: Re: [Users] [Engine-devel] adding scripts am thus facing following difficulties: 1 : i wrote the required code using in bash scripting, which i wish to invoke after a click of button in the ovirt-portal. (which does not seem to be possible). can you help on that? which programming language should i use, and how that file should be invoked. [I think Greg said:] This needs to be done in Java. You'll need to read up on oVirt's UI Plugin infrastructure, which Einav and others mentioned below. No, you cannot write a bash script and have a button click in oVirt invoke that. Reading this: http://www.ovirt.org/VDSM-Hooks it states as a pull quote: The hooks reside on every host in /usr/libexec/vdsm/hooks/ A hook can be any executable (bash/python/perl/binary/etc). and then at: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/UIPlugins UI plugins integrate with WebAdmin directly on the client (web browser) using JavaScript programming language. Plugin invocation is driven by WebAdmin and happens right within the context of browser's JavaScript runtime, using JavaScript language as the lowest common denominator between WebAdmin (GWT) and individual plugins. UI plugins can take full advantage of JavaScript language and its rich ecosystem of libraries. There are no specific rules on how to implement UI plugins, plugin API is designed to be simple and not to get in developer's way, regardless of how a developer chooses to write the plugin I thought I understood the model, but have gotten confused. Iam left with two questions: 1. is the plugin to be Java or JavaScript? (I think the answer is the latter) 2. is there a constraint as to implementation language, or not. I think a JS wrapper can call whatever it wishes, but this is not clear to me Thank you -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] centralized Logging engine and hypervisor
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Sven Kieske wrote: But it would be cool if you could work towards integrating this feature into ovirt in the future, maybe for 3.5 or 4.0. So I created an RFE at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1078738 I think many large data centers could use this feature as most people tend to have centralized logging already. we certainly do ... but this is a shifting space with syslog, rsyslog, and (on the horizon) systemd wanting to handle event generation. On the receiving end, we have a checklist for getting rsyslog set up to 'listen correctly' Also there are issues on the axis: ipv4 only, mixed, and ipv6 , and then: with and without DNS (A, , CNAME, and PTR record completeness matters in some configuration setups) Later this could get expanded to easily allow to use syslog.. I think I have the '' attribution correct Probably term 'syslog' is being used generically here. Concur that this would help a lot -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] el6 live snapshots and storage migration
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ernest Beinrohr wrote: Works ok on my centos 6.5. these are my packages, so maybe a BuildRequired is missing in the src.rpm $ rpm -qa \*usb\* libusb1-devel-1.0.9-0.6.rc1.el6.x86_64 libusb1-1.0.9-0.6.rc1.el6.x86_64 rt73usb-firmware-1.8-7.el6.noarch usbutils-003-4.el6.x86_64 usbredir-devel-0.5.1-1.el6.x86_64 libertas-usb8388-firmware-5.110.22.p23-3.1.el6.noarch usbredir-0.5.1-1.el6.x86_64 libusb-0.1.12-23.el6.x86_64 thank tyou for other reasons in development (spice and friends must have wanted a later 'usbredir-server') I had to 'fork ahead' my 'usbredir' series, and it seems the tines had diverged [herrold@centos-6 qemu-kvm-rhev]$ rpm -q `cat README-others` libusb1-devel-1.0.9-0.6.rc1.el6.x86_64 libusb1-1.0.9-0.6.rc1.el6.x86_64 rt73usb-firmware-1.8-7.el6.noarch usbutils-003-4.el6.x86_64 usbredir-devel-0.6-5.orc6.x86_64 libertas-usb8388-firmware-5.110.22.p23-3.1.el6.noarch usbredir-0.6-5.orc6.x86_64 libusb-0.1.12-23.el6.x86_64 [herrold@centos-6 qemu-kvm-rhev]$ -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] el6 live snapshots and storage migration
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Sven Kieske wrote: forwarding to the List as this may be interesting for others: This may be another option: wget http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en/RHEV/SRPMS/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm sha256sum qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm # check with http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-0248.html yum-builddep /archiv/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm rpmbuild --rebuild /archiv/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm seemingly untested. Not sure if it is a missing BR, or a patch is needed. The build fails thus here: + ../configure --target-list=x86_64-softmmu --prefix=/usr --localstatedir=/var --sysconfdir=/etc --audio-drv-list=pa,alsa --audio-card-list=ac97,es1370 --disable-strip '--extra-ldflags=-Wl,--build-id -pie -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now' '--extra-cflags=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -fPIE -DPIE' --disable-xen --block-drv-rw-whitelist=qcow2,raw,file,host_device,host_cdrom,qed,gluster,rbd --block-drv-ro-whitelist=vmdk,vhdx,vpc --disable-debug-tcg --disable-sparse --enable-werror --disable-sdl --disable-curses --disable-curl --disable-check-utests --enable-vnc-tls --enable-vnc-sasl --disable-brlapi --disable-bluez --enable-docs --disable-vde --enable-linux-aio --enable-kvm --enable-spice --enable-kvm-cap-pit --enable-kvm-cap-device-assignment --trace-backend=dtrace --enable-smartcard --disable-smartcard-nss --enable-usb-redir --enable-mixemu --enable-glusterfs ERROR ERROR: User requested feature usb-redir ERROR: configure was not able to find it ERROR ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] qemu-kvm-rhev solution under CentOS 6; was: el6 live snapshots and storage migration
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Hash: SHA1
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, R P Herrold wrote:
These steps build under a basic CentOS 6, updated to current:
wget \
http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en/RHEV/SRPMS/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm
sha256sum qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm
# check with http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-0248.html
yum-builddep /archiv/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm
wget \
ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/qemu-kvm-rhev/qemu-kvm-nousb-redir.spec
rpm -U qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.5.src.rpm
rpmbuild -ba qemu-kvm-nousb-redir.spec
and a collection of binaries and SRPM will result.
/home/herrold/rpmbuild/SRPMS/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.orc6.6.pmman.src.rpm
/home/herrold/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/qemu-kvm-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.orc6.6.pmman.x86_64.rpm
/home/herrold/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/qemu-img-rhev-0.12.1.2-2.415.orc6.6.pmman.x86_64.rpm
/home/herrold/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/qemu-kvm-rhev-tools-0.12.1.2-2.415.orc6.6.pmman.x86_64.rpm
Diff is as follows (mod linewraps):
[herrold@centos-6 qemu-kvm-rhev]$ diff -u qemu-kvm.spec
qemu-kvm-nousb-redir.spec
- --- qemu-kvm.spec 2014-03-19 14:25:52.0 -0400
+++ qemu-kvm-nousb-redir.spec 2014-03-19 16:33:57.0
- -0400
@@ -2,6 +2,18 @@
# Define rhev as the first variable
%define rhev 1
+# usb-redir
+# quite invasive, but we can patch the ./configure
+# to exclude by default (viz, leave undefined ) and then
ignore, perhaps
+%define config_usb_redir %{nil}
+%if 0%{?usb-redir}
+%define enable_usb_redir 1
+%define config_usb_redir --enable-usb-redir
+%else
+%define enable_usb_redir 0
+%define config_usb_redir --disable-usb-redir
+%endif
+
%if 0%{?rhev_test}
%define enable_fake_machine 1
%else
@@ -85,7 +97,10 @@
%define buildid %{nil}
- -%define zrelease 5
+# orc temp fork as to usb-redir
+%define buildid .pmman
+%define zrelease 6
+
%define sublevel 0.12.1.2
%define pkgrelease 2.415
@@ -11531,12 +11546,17 @@
--trace-backend=dtrace \
--enable-smartcard \
--disable-smartcard-nss \
- ---enable-usb-redir \
--enable-mixemu \
--enable-glusterfs
[Users] Snapshot merging and the effect on underlying LV metadata
On Fri, 28 Feb 2014, Alasdair G Kergon wrote: In lvm2 version 2.02.105 lvconvert gained a --splitsnapshot option to allow people to wipe snapshot content before releasing the extents for reallocation. --splitsnapshot Separates SnapshotLogicalVolume from its origin. The volume that is split off contains the chunks that differ from the ori- gin along with the metadata describing them. This volume can be wiped and then destroyed with lvremove. The inverse of --snap- shot. Nice to know ... we use the snapshot feature heavilyin our virtualization, but as: CentOS 6 is at lvm2-2.02.100-8.el6.x86_64, and C 5 at lvm2-2.02.88-12.el5, we will need to wait a bit before relying on its presence. Any chance of a re-basing / refresh / backport at least into RHEL 6 (we have only one Xen oriented dom0 at this point on C5)? Thanks --Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] Snapshot merging and the effect on underlying LV metadata
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Davis, Richard wrote: I am being told that unless the Wipe After Delete option is set on a vDisk, any subsequent snapshot merging of the related VM will not delete LV metadata (or any data!) from the volume created by the snapshot. Is this correct ? I'm kinda hoping not ! It is my belief a depetion cannot be relied upon to have happened in all cases. Some options flag sets in lvm ** do ** persist old data, and so our security practice at PMman to treat data on removed LV's as though it persists There are published reports that instances on other public cloud providers have been deployed with 'non-wiped' drives in the 'slack space'. Why run the reputational risk? When we reclaim a LV, we perform a 'renaming' that permits to spot 'dirty' and 'scratched' instances needing wiping. [we also fill a new VG / PV with LV's indicating it needs wiping, as we do not wish to expose content if a drive is pulled and then re-used after testing when SMART errors appeared, but do not stand up to disqualify a drive] Later a cron driven process, sensitive to IO load runs. It builds a list of candidates over a day old, using 'find' and the LV name series showing it is dirty and scratched. Then in turn by LV found, it fires off a sub-task (when load is low), which in turn performs a 'niced' 'shred' operation on that LV, followed by the 'shred 'zeroing' operation. When load is too high, it sleeps for a couple of minutes, and re-tries fragment: $_shredCmd = ionice -c 3 shred -n \ .$_num_passes. -z .$_working_lvm; Only when that sub-process has completed do we 'rename' and later 'remove' a given LV, to let its space re-enter the assignment pool - -- Russ herrold -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlMPkAMACgkQMRh1QZtklkSamQCgnVqEo2Kmzq9Ao8T0BCYhBTyn aToAoIaOVGkxX3EsVghMxOtgE3RiUr9G =rm/K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] The purpose of Wipe on delete ?
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Richard Davis wrote: What is the purpose of the Wipe on delete option for a VM disk ? Why would you not want data wiped on delete if the alternative is to leave LV metadata and other data languishing on the SD ? debugging, cloning, snapshot backups, and giving 'second chances' to undelete, come to mind as reasonable use cases NOT to wipe by default -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] wiki weeding intervention request: was: Install on CentOS6.5 fails
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Yedidyah Bar David wrote: The Howto from: http://www.ovirt.org/Download fails with: Can you install epel, step 1 there? It's probably a bug in the instructions' order - 0 and 1 should be exchanged. In trying to 'weed' the wiki, the page is locked to editors with more permissions than I have: This page has been protected to prevent editing. The last two editors were Mike Burns and Dave Neary -- adding direct copies to them, to get this fixed, or to seek the rights to do the edit -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] Reconfirming membership to do excessive bounces
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Pat Pierson wrote: Has anyone else had this issue with this list and gmail? if so how can i fix it? The mailing list host lacks some conventional mail filtering setup values -- Infra is aware of it and has requested the needed changes in DNS, etc As a 'workaround' you can also paw through your gmail 'spam' folder, and add a whitelisting rule, which sometimes works. But google 'tunes' its rules over time, and this can be a non-durable fix until proper A, , PTR, and optionally SPF rules are added -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] too many bouces information message..
On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, Dave Neary wrote: It may be related to the IPv6 bounce we got from a spam filtering service recently. RP Herrold suggested that we add an IPv6 PTR for It is possible, but not that likely -- trying to understand gmail downratings and refusals to deliver, when there is no way to access log files and track a given Message-Id through them chweing on it, nor giving straight answers as to the filtering regime of the day, are a whole 'nother kettle of dysfunction in the Venn diagram of email pain to diagnose ;( -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] ovirt-node post-reboot no persistent networks config .. !!! urgent update req for POC coming weekend
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Fabian Deutsch wrote: lsb_release -a does not provide a correct output, it just states: RedHatEnterpriseVirtualizationHypervisor which is not very informative, no version information or whatsoever. do you know what the output should look like? http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/lsbrelease.html Shall I a bug on this non-conformance? -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] ovirt-node post-reboot no persistent networks config .. !!! urgent update req for POC coming weekend
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, R P Herrold wrote: do you know what the output should look like? http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/lsbrelease.html Checking further, with the LSB 5.0 beta candidate imminent, there is an open uplift bug as well https://lsbbugs.linuxfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3512 -- Russ herrold ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] iptables settings/scripts ovirt 3.3
On Tue, 1 Oct 2013, Sven Kieske wrote: We read about some vdsm bootstrap script (e.g. BZ 893680), may this be related? SvenKieske appeared in the OFTC IRC channel #ovirt with this issue, and we discussed it some more 11:41 SvenKieske meaning you can't ping compute nodes, this is in the default install 11:41 orc_orc SvenKieske: * nod * that effect would occur with the physdev rule, I think 11:41 SvenKieske and I think this default iptables rule is just plain useless :) 11:42 SvenKieske and prevents proper network debugging, as we are having some issues with network related to newest ovirt nodes 11:42 orc_orc SvenKieske: assumedly you are following a guide. can you point out that URL and the step at which the problem is first noticed and he pointed to the wiki outline at: http://www.ovirt.org/Quick_Start_Guide#Install_oVirt_Node 11:43 orc_orc but from a policy POV, it may make sense that a node is not reachible until it has had time to become hardened .. and I also pointed out an example of an ICMP fragmantation attack and its remdiation in the Red Hat bugzilla I don't see why you shouldn't be able to ping the hypervisor in the management lan? this is useful for monitoring and network debugging. ICMP is no danger at all. and in IRC he there stated 11:45 SvenKieske I'm not sure you can harden this node any further, as it resides on a read only file system, beside that, I can not think of any attack vector via icmp on the compute node 11:46 orc_orc SvenKieske: there are some ICMP attacks, particularly on ipv6 stacks, which can cause machines to fall over and die 11:46 orc_orc I reported one a while back 11:47 orc_orc the packet reassembly code had an unsuspected re-construction method with a problem in it and at that point he concluded that perhaps the ICMP block limitation had policy reasons behind it 11:49 SvenKieske Well then that's fine with me, but maybe the node devs should more focus on reliable network configuration and then harden it for security and not the other way around, it was just a small nuisance, if network setup in 3.3 would work ootb I'd maybe never noticed ping doesn't work ootb to which I can only respond: 11:49 orc_orc SvenKieske: sounds like you are saying that you need to file an RFE as to debugging tools extensions or amend the setup documentation I had a private inquiry about KVM hardening and so had been looking at the physdev iptables rules recently, and on a VM for which I am responsible an incident just last weekend 11:50 orc_orc SvenKieske: I had a person at my office just today, who was the victim of a TOR attack on a VM 11:50 orc_orc so VM's _do_ get scanned for and attacked ... in part we mitigated the attack via a temporary iptables rule on the KVM based hypervisor ... and he closed that he may file something tomorrow. 11:50 SvenKieske yeah, might be the way to go, but my workday is over now, so maybe tomorrow :) 11:50 orc_orc SvenKieske * nod * don't forget ;) 11:51 SvenKieske I'm all in for more computer security :) 11:51 SvenKieske see you! 11:51 * orc_orc waves I've been working through the setup documentation as well since the 3.3 update, and have a list of questions as to the wiki materials, as of course bit rot happens in wiki's (heck, in _any_ documentation) as new releases are issued -- Russ herrold Kind regards Sven Kieske ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- -- end == .-- -... ---.. ... -.- -.-- Copyright (C) 2013 R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com My words are not deathless prose, but they are mine. ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
