Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-12 Thread David BERCOT
Hello,

If I understand well, the ISO node is the best solution to have the
smallest OS, but maybe I will have problems with some functions, like
SSH keys, integration with Centreon, etc... Daniel Helgenberger said :
all changes you make manually do not survive a reboot.

So, the best option is to install a basic OS (for me, a Debian one),
and then, to add oVirt-node packages...

Now, let's go ;-)

Thank you.

David.

Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:12:11 -0400,
Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com a écrit :
By the way David have you ever done a Red Hat kickstart with the
nobase option. You get an OS install thats as stripped down as
possible. you can even create a node for ovirt which is smaller than
the ESXi install base last I checked. just be aware you will not have
many of the tools you would normally expect to see for example
bind-utils isn't installed so the box wont have nslookup or dig unless
you install it.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM, David BERCOT ov...@bercot.org wrote:
 Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:29:20 -0400 (EDT),
 Fabian Deutsch fdeut...@redhat.com a écrit :
- Original Message -
 Am 07.08.2014 15:10, schrieb David BERCOT:
  Ah, great !!! And is there a Debian flavor ?

No. Currently not.
But Node became more stable over the last months, and you might want
to try this snapshot build:
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-3.5-pre/iso/ovirt-node-iso-3.5.0.ovirt35.20140805.0.el6.iso

  It is my favorite distribution ;-)

 Not yet, and I don't know if it is on the roadmap.
 you could maybe create your own, it's basically
 this workflow:
 install $distro
 throw out all unneeded stuff
 install virt stuff (libvirt+vdsm)
 apply hardening (selinux etc)
 create iso

 I go with centos minimal and customize
 that myself, works really well.

 I don't know if vdsm is already complete
 platform independent (afaik it should be).

 the initial development was all on fedora
 and el6, so this is where it runs best atm.

 but I know for sure there are plans to
 make it distribution agnostic, but
 I don't know if this includes a pre-created
 iso for ovirt-node based on debian or gentoo.

 maybe fabian can shed some light on the
 future plans.

The current Node can really only be created for Fedora related
distrios, so CentOS, RHEL and Fedora itself. The reason for this is
that all parts the build process is tailored around Fedora related
tools. Namely kickstarts, and lviecd-tools.

We are currently thinking about how we can change Node and make it
more friendly, the distro agnostic idea also goes into this thoughts
- but there is nothing concrete on that front yet.

That's it from the Node side.

- fabian

 Thank you for all these answers.

 I'm going to test this soon and I'll tell you about the results...

 David.
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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-12 Thread Nicolas Ecarnot

Le 12/08/2014 11:42, David BERCOT a écrit :

Hello,

If I understand well, the ISO node is the best solution to have the
smallest OS, but maybe I will have problems with some functions, like
SSH keys, integration with Centreon, etc... Daniel Helgenberger said :
all changes you make manually do not survive a reboot.

So, the best option is to install a basic OS (for me, a Debian one),
and then, to add oVirt-node packages...


oVirt is not distro-agnostic at all.
It is very specificaly designed in the redhat universe (- rhel, centos, 
fedora).

Love yourself, try it on CentOS.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-12 Thread Itamar Heim

On 08/12/2014 01:33 PM, Nicolas Ecarnot wrote:

Le 12/08/2014 11:42, David BERCOT a écrit :

Hello,

If I understand well, the ISO node is the best solution to have the
smallest OS, but maybe I will have problems with some functions, like
SSH keys, integration with Centreon, etc... Daniel Helgenberger said :
all changes you make manually do not survive a reboot.

So, the best option is to install a basic OS (for me, a Debian one),
and then, to add oVirt-node packages...


oVirt is not distro-agnostic at all.
It is very specificaly designed in the redhat universe (- rhel, centos,
fedora).
Love yourself, try it on CentOS.



though if you can help make it better on debian, we'd welcome the help.
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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-08 Thread Daniel Helgenberger
Hello David,

On Do, 2014-08-07 at 14:54 +0200, David BERCOT wrote:
 Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:16:34 +,
 Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de a écrit :
 FYI:
 
 actually the vmware kernel leverages many open source drivers
 from the linux kernel and I highly suspect that it is in fact
 a custom linux kernel.
 
 some evidence that supports this view is the recent
 attempt of vmware to join the linux-distros mailinglist
 to get early access to vulnerabilities in open source code.
 
 you can just join this list if you offer a kind of linux distribution
 (or something very close to it).
 
 here is a thread for further reading on the case:
 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/403
 
 PS: regarding ovirt-node:
 it's actually a very trimmed down linux system, just enough
 to act as an hypervisor, so it's bare metal virtualization
 (I would even argue that there is no such thing as a type 1
 hypervisor, because if you talk about type 1 hypervisors
 the hypervisor itself is the operating system kernel, which is also
 the case for kvm, as it is a linux kernel module).
 
 If I understand well, oVirt-node is very very close to ESXi (which is
 good news ;-)).
 But to have such a bare metal virtualization, we have not to install
 a complete OS (like RH, Fedora, Debian, etc...) and then to add
 oVirt-node packages ??? It should be a very light kernel with only
 oVirt-node (KVM ?) modules/packages, no ?
First, I second Sven's view, there is no such thing like a type 1 HV (so
'hardware' only). I used oVirt node 3.4 and it works really well and
sable. If you compare it with ESXi, you will feel it is very similar
(even the screen telling you system basics if you attach a monitor to
it).

ovirt node was developed later on, to you basically have two options:
- The 'classic' option: install a basic os (centos6 minimal or fedora 19
minimal) and install the ovirt packages via yum, then run ovit node
setup; done.

- run ovirt node iso, install it to disk. This leaves you with a system
wich has to be managed from ovirt engine, because all changes you make
manually do not survive a reboot (normally).

While I think using ovirt node is the best option for deploying HV-nodes
there is one major drawback: It does not support hosted-engine-ha atm;
but I think this feature will make it into ovirt node 3.5.

 There is only this part I do not understand !?!?
So bottom line, ovirt node is the same as option 1; but more tailored to
complete management from ovirt enginge.
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-08 Thread Itamar Heim

On 08/07/2014 03:48 PM, David BERCOT wrote:

Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 14:03:15 +0200,
Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com a écrit :

Il 07/ago/2014 11:44 David BERCOT ovirt ov...@bercot.org@
ov...@bercot.orgbercot.org ov...@bercot.org ha scritto:


My really question was : is it a good idea to run the oVirt node over
another OS ? It would be more performant to run the oVirt node
directly over the hardware, like ESXi...
May be it is in the roadmap ?


VMware says esxi is a bare-metal hypervisor and there is not an
underlying os. Someone else says it is based on vmkernel operating
system ( where vmkernel is defined as a posix-like operating system).
In my opinion the oVirt node is to be intended something like ESXi: an
os with the smallest possible footprint, dedicated to run as a KVM
hypervisor. The difference being that it is based on Linux and not
developed from scratch.


It is OK for me to have an oVirt node similar to ESXi, except that it
is based on Linux.
But on the oVirt site, I've found oVirt node packages to install over
RH, Fedora, Debian, CentOS, etc...
Is there a dedicated oVirt-node ISO, based on the Linux kernel, but
optimized for KVM, without other kernel modules we can see on RH,
Fedora, Debian, CentOS, etc... ?



oVirt-node is not installed on an OS, its an image you install on bare 
metal. ovirt node is a trimmed down .el6 with the necessary packages to 
be managed by ovirt.
you can choose to use normal .el6/fedora, and use them as hosts via the 
engine gui, it will deploy/configure these packages as well.



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[ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread David BERCOT
Hello,

I'm French, I work for the French administration and this is my first
message on this list...

At the moment, we use VMware (vSphere 5.1/5.5, cloud edition) for our
virtualized complex infrastructures.

I've discovered recently that oVirt offers enhanced features, closed to
the ones of VMware. Is the product sufficiently advanced yet ? I don't
know and I hope you'll be able to help me ;-)

My first question is about hypervisor... In VMware infrastructures, we
use a microkernel since the version 4 (before, it was an hypervisor
based on a RedHat core).

On the oVirt site, I can download ovirt-engine to install it over
Debian/RedHat/CentOS, etc... But it seems to be less optimised because
some ressources are used by the underlying OS...

Can you explain me differences between this technology and the VMware
one ?

Thank you.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread Jorick Astrego


On 08/07/2014 09:45 AM, David BERCOT wrote:

Hello,

I'm French, I work for the French administration and this is my first
message on this list...

At the moment, we use VMware (vSphere 5.1/5.5, cloud edition) for our
virtualized complex infrastructures.

I've discovered recently that oVirt offers enhanced features, closed to
the ones of VMware. Is the product sufficiently advanced yet ? I don't
know and I hope you'll be able to help me ;-)

Welcome David,


We find it sufficiently advanced, since 3.5 is nearing release most of 
our wishlist has been taken care off ;-)
Check out the case stories like 
(http://www.ovirt.org/Brussels_Airport_Case_Study)



My first question is about hypervisor... In VMware infrastructures, we
use a microkernel since the version 4 (before, it was an hypervisor
based on a RedHat core).

On the oVirt site, I can download ovirt-engine to install it over
Debian/RedHat/CentOS, etc... But it seems to be less optimised because
some ressources are used by the underlying OS...
Ovirt engine is the management part (like vCenter), there is no need for 
it to be that optimized as it's not running VM's itself.

What you're talking about is ovirt node: http://www.ovirt.org/Node

Can you explain me differences between this technology and the VMware
one ?

A bit outdated:

http://www.siliconloons.com/open-source-cloud-and-virtualization-terminology-for-vmware-users/

Some more reading:

Virtual data center management with oVirt 3.4
http://lwn.net/Articles/600370/


Thank you.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread David BERCOT
Le Thu, 07 Aug 2014 10:56:35 +0200,
Jorick Astrego j.astr...@netbulae.eu a écrit :
On 08/07/2014 09:45 AM, David BERCOT wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm French, I work for the French administration and this is my first
 message on this list...

 At the moment, we use VMware (vSphere 5.1/5.5, cloud edition) for our
 virtualized complex infrastructures.

 I've discovered recently that oVirt offers enhanced features, closed
 to the ones of VMware. Is the product sufficiently advanced yet ? I
 don't know and I hope you'll be able to help me ;-)
Welcome David,

Thank you ;-)

We find it sufficiently advanced, since 3.5 is nearing release most of 
our wishlist has been taken care off ;-)
Check out the case stories like 
(http://www.ovirt.org/Brussels_Airport_Case_Study)

Yes, it is an interesting article even if I did not understand the
Openstack point because, if I'm not wrong, Openstack can run over any
virtualization solution, VMware, KVM, etc...

 My first question is about hypervisor... In VMware infrastructures,
 we use a microkernel since the version 4 (before, it was an
 hypervisor based on a RedHat core).

 On the oVirt site, I can download ovirt-engine to install it over
 Debian/RedHat/CentOS, etc... But it seems to be less optimised
 because some ressources are used by the underlying OS...
Ovirt engine is the management part (like vCenter), there is no need
for it to be that optimized as it's not running VM's itself.

Yes, I saw my mistake between oVirt engine and oVirt node ;-)

My really question was : is it a good idea to run the oVirt node over
another OS ? It would be more performant to run the oVirt node directly
over the hardware, like ESXi...
May be it is in the roadmap ?

And I have another question : is there something like VMFS to store the
VM in the SAN ? It's more performant to use FC than NFS shares...

Thank you.

David.

What you're talking about is ovirt node: http://www.ovirt.org/Node
 Can you explain me differences between this technology and the VMware
 one ?
A bit outdated:

http://www.siliconloons.com/open-source-cloud-and-virtualization-terminology-for-vmware-users/

Some more reading:

Virtual data center management with oVirt 3.4
http://lwn.net/Articles/600370/

 Thank you.

 David.
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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread Sven Kieske
FYI:

actually the vmware kernel leverages many open source drivers
from the linux kernel and I highly suspect that it is in fact
a custom linux kernel.

some evidence that supports this view is the recent
attempt of vmware to join the linux-distros mailinglist
to get early access to vulnerabilities in open source code.

you can just join this list if you offer a kind of linux distribution
(or something very close to it).

here is a thread for further reading on the case:
http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/403

PS: regarding ovirt-node:
it's actually a very trimmed down linux system, just enough
to act as an hypervisor, so it's bare metal virtualization
(I would even argue that there is no such thing as a type 1
hypervisor, because if you talk about type 1 hypervisors
the hypervisor itself is the operating system kernel, which is also
the case for kvm, as it is a linux kernel module).

HTH

Am 07.08.2014 14:03, schrieb Gianluca Cecchi:
 VMware says esxi is a bare-metal hypervisor and there is not an underlying
 os. Someone else says it is based on vmkernel operating system ( where
 vmkernel is defined as a posix-like operating system).
 In my opinion the oVirt node is to be intended something like ESXi: an os
 with the smallest possible footprint, dedicated to run as a KVM hypervisor.
 The difference being that it is based on Linux and not developed from
 scratch.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread David BERCOT
Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 14:03:15 +0200,
Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com a écrit :
Il 07/ago/2014 11:44 David BERCOT ovirt ov...@bercot.org@
ov...@bercot.orgbercot.org ov...@bercot.org ha scritto:

 My really question was : is it a good idea to run the oVirt node over
 another OS ? It would be more performant to run the oVirt node
 directly over the hardware, like ESXi...
 May be it is in the roadmap ?

VMware says esxi is a bare-metal hypervisor and there is not an
underlying os. Someone else says it is based on vmkernel operating
system ( where vmkernel is defined as a posix-like operating system).
In my opinion the oVirt node is to be intended something like ESXi: an
os with the smallest possible footprint, dedicated to run as a KVM
hypervisor. The difference being that it is based on Linux and not
developed from scratch.

It is OK for me to have an oVirt node similar to ESXi, except that it
is based on Linux.
But on the oVirt site, I've found oVirt node packages to install over
RH, Fedora, Debian, CentOS, etc...
Is there a dedicated oVirt-node ISO, based on the Linux kernel, but
optimized for KVM, without other kernel modules we can see on RH,
Fedora, Debian, CentOS, etc... ?

Thank you.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread David BERCOT
Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:16:34 +,
Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de a écrit :
FYI:

actually the vmware kernel leverages many open source drivers
from the linux kernel and I highly suspect that it is in fact
a custom linux kernel.

some evidence that supports this view is the recent
attempt of vmware to join the linux-distros mailinglist
to get early access to vulnerabilities in open source code.

you can just join this list if you offer a kind of linux distribution
(or something very close to it).

here is a thread for further reading on the case:
http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/403

PS: regarding ovirt-node:
it's actually a very trimmed down linux system, just enough
to act as an hypervisor, so it's bare metal virtualization
(I would even argue that there is no such thing as a type 1
hypervisor, because if you talk about type 1 hypervisors
the hypervisor itself is the operating system kernel, which is also
the case for kvm, as it is a linux kernel module).

If I understand well, oVirt-node is very very close to ESXi (which is
good news ;-)).
But to have such a bare metal virtualization, we have not to install
a complete OS (like RH, Fedora, Debian, etc...) and then to add
oVirt-node packages ??? It should be a very light kernel with only
oVirt-node (KVM ?) modules/packages, no ?
There is only this part I do not understand !?!?

Thank you.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread Sven Kieske
I don't actually use it myself so
take my information with a grain of salt, as it might not
be 100% accurate.

afaik this is the current stable ovirt-node iso:

http://resources.ovirt.org/releases/3.4/iso/ovirt-node-iso-3.4-20140423.0.el6.iso

it comes in 2 flavors: el6 based and fedora based.

so it's actually a trimmed down el6/fedora version

I cc'ed fabian who can give more information on the
case, because he is the maintainer of the node project
(i hope this is still correct).

HTH

Am 07.08.2014 14:48, schrieb David BERCOT:
 Is there a dedicated oVirt-node ISO, based on the Linux kernel, but
 optimized for KVM, without other kernel modules we can see on RH,
 Fedora, Debian, CentOS, etc... ?

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread David BERCOT
Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:55:40 +,
Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de a écrit :
I don't actually use it myself so
take my information with a grain of salt, as it might not
be 100% accurate.

afaik this is the current stable ovirt-node iso:

http://resources.ovirt.org/releases/3.4/iso/ovirt-node-iso-3.4-20140423.0.el6.iso

it comes in 2 flavors: el6 based and fedora based.

so it's actually a trimmed down el6/fedora version

I cc'ed fabian who can give more information on the
case, because he is the maintainer of the node project
(i hope this is still correct).

Ah, great !!! And is there a Debian flavor ?
It is my favorite distribution ;-)

Thank you.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread Sven Kieske


Am 07.08.2014 15:10, schrieb David BERCOT:
 Ah, great !!! And is there a Debian flavor ?
 It is my favorite distribution ;-)

Not yet, and I don't know if it is on the roadmap.
you could maybe create your own, it's basically
this workflow:
install $distro
throw out all unneeded stuff
install virt stuff (libvirt+vdsm)
apply hardening (selinux etc)
create iso

I go with centos minimal and customize
that myself, works really well.

I don't know if vdsm is already complete
platform independent (afaik it should be).

the initial development was all on fedora
and el6, so this is where it runs best atm.

but I know for sure there are plans to
make it distribution agnostic, but
I don't know if this includes a pre-created
iso for ovirt-node based on debian or gentoo.

maybe fabian can shed some light on the
future plans.

alon can maybe give some insight into
how distribution agnostic ovirt already is
and what future plans are,
thus cc'ing them.

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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread Fabian Deutsch
- Original Message -
 
 
 Am 07.08.2014 15:10, schrieb David BERCOT:
  Ah, great !!! And is there a Debian flavor ?

No. Currently not.
But Node became more stable over the last months, and you might want to try 
this snapshot build:
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-3.5-pre/iso/ovirt-node-iso-3.5.0.ovirt35.20140805.0.el6.iso

  It is my favorite distribution ;-)
 
 Not yet, and I don't know if it is on the roadmap.
 you could maybe create your own, it's basically
 this workflow:
 install $distro
 throw out all unneeded stuff
 install virt stuff (libvirt+vdsm)
 apply hardening (selinux etc)
 create iso
 
 I go with centos minimal and customize
 that myself, works really well.
 
 I don't know if vdsm is already complete
 platform independent (afaik it should be).
 
 the initial development was all on fedora
 and el6, so this is where it runs best atm.
 
 but I know for sure there are plans to
 make it distribution agnostic, but
 I don't know if this includes a pre-created
 iso for ovirt-node based on debian or gentoo.
 
 maybe fabian can shed some light on the
 future plans.

The current Node can really only be created for Fedora related distrios, so 
CentOS, RHEL and Fedora itself.
The reason for this is that all parts the build process is tailored around 
Fedora related tools. Namely kickstarts, and lviecd-tools.

We are currently thinking about how we can change Node and make it more 
friendly, the distro agnostic idea also goes into this thoughts - but there is 
nothing concrete on that front yet.

That's it from the Node side.

- fabian

 alon can maybe give some insight into
 how distribution agnostic ovirt already is
 and what future plans are,
 thus cc'ing them.
 
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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread David BERCOT
Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:29:20 -0400 (EDT),
Fabian Deutsch fdeut...@redhat.com a écrit :
- Original Message -
 Am 07.08.2014 15:10, schrieb David BERCOT:
  Ah, great !!! And is there a Debian flavor ?

No. Currently not.
But Node became more stable over the last months, and you might want
to try this snapshot build:
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-3.5-pre/iso/ovirt-node-iso-3.5.0.ovirt35.20140805.0.el6.iso

  It is my favorite distribution ;-)
 
 Not yet, and I don't know if it is on the roadmap.
 you could maybe create your own, it's basically
 this workflow:
 install $distro
 throw out all unneeded stuff
 install virt stuff (libvirt+vdsm)
 apply hardening (selinux etc)
 create iso
 
 I go with centos minimal and customize
 that myself, works really well.
 
 I don't know if vdsm is already complete
 platform independent (afaik it should be).
 
 the initial development was all on fedora
 and el6, so this is where it runs best atm.
 
 but I know for sure there are plans to
 make it distribution agnostic, but
 I don't know if this includes a pre-created
 iso for ovirt-node based on debian or gentoo.
 
 maybe fabian can shed some light on the
 future plans.

The current Node can really only be created for Fedora related
distrios, so CentOS, RHEL and Fedora itself. The reason for this is
that all parts the build process is tailored around Fedora related
tools. Namely kickstarts, and lviecd-tools.

We are currently thinking about how we can change Node and make it
more friendly, the distro agnostic idea also goes into this thoughts -
but there is nothing concrete on that front yet.

That's it from the Node side.

- fabian

Thank you for all these answers.

I'm going to test this soon and I'll tell you about the results...

David.
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Re: [ovirt-users] New member and first question...

2014-08-07 Thread Paul Robert Marino
By the way David have you ever done a Red Hat kickstart with the nobase option.
You get an OS install thats as stripped down as possible. you can even
create a node for ovirt which is smaller than the ESXi install base
last I checked. just be aware you will not have many of the tools you
would normally expect to see for example bind-utils isn't installed so
the box wont have nslookup or dig unless you install it.



On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM, David BERCOT ov...@bercot.org wrote:
 Le Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:29:20 -0400 (EDT),
 Fabian Deutsch fdeut...@redhat.com a écrit :
- Original Message -
 Am 07.08.2014 15:10, schrieb David BERCOT:
  Ah, great !!! And is there a Debian flavor ?

No. Currently not.
But Node became more stable over the last months, and you might want
to try this snapshot build:
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-3.5-pre/iso/ovirt-node-iso-3.5.0.ovirt35.20140805.0.el6.iso

  It is my favorite distribution ;-)

 Not yet, and I don't know if it is on the roadmap.
 you could maybe create your own, it's basically
 this workflow:
 install $distro
 throw out all unneeded stuff
 install virt stuff (libvirt+vdsm)
 apply hardening (selinux etc)
 create iso

 I go with centos minimal and customize
 that myself, works really well.

 I don't know if vdsm is already complete
 platform independent (afaik it should be).

 the initial development was all on fedora
 and el6, so this is where it runs best atm.

 but I know for sure there are plans to
 make it distribution agnostic, but
 I don't know if this includes a pre-created
 iso for ovirt-node based on debian or gentoo.

 maybe fabian can shed some light on the
 future plans.

The current Node can really only be created for Fedora related
distrios, so CentOS, RHEL and Fedora itself. The reason for this is
that all parts the build process is tailored around Fedora related
tools. Namely kickstarts, and lviecd-tools.

We are currently thinking about how we can change Node and make it
more friendly, the distro agnostic idea also goes into this thoughts -
but there is nothing concrete on that front yet.

That's it from the Node side.

- fabian

 Thank you for all these answers.

 I'm going to test this soon and I'll tell you about the results...

 David.
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