Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:22:50PM -0400, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. :-) -jf -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Problem connecting native Outlook mode
Hello everyone, first of all thanks for the great product, we have been using SOGo here for some time now with no problems at all. Now we would like to introduce the native Outlook support to our users, but we ran into some problems. Samba keeps on failing with an uncaught exception: mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:682(EcDoRpc_process_transaction) MAPI Rop: 0x4e (78) 0x0x29c3800[MAPIStoreDBMessageTable] version: 1e8b /usr/sbin/samba: Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: [MAPIStoreDBMessage-getPidTagMessageClass:inMemCtx:] should be overridden by subclass If that happens, Outlook looses its connection to the server and doesn't recover until the service gets restartet. In that case the end user sees Outlook asking for username/password, but doesn't get a connection until the service is restarted. Any ideas? best regards, Kalle -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] not receiving mails
On 18.09.2013 17:41, labolinux wrote: Le 18/09/2013 14:36, Szládovics Péter a écrit : 2013-09-18 13:24 keltezéssel, labolinux írta: Bonjour, We configured SOGowith all its dependencies (ldap, postfix, cyrus-imap, postgresql) on centos 6.4.Everything is working well, unless the fact that users are not receiving emails. Every dependency took alone is working well. Has anyone faced that issue? How did he resolve it? What can we do to resolve it? Thank you in advance. You need to cehck the followings: - Mail logs (included separated dovecot log) - Mail queue Find error messages, and write them to us. Hi Peter, we are not using dovecot, we are using cyrus-imapd instead. Here is theoutput of the log after sending an email Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/deliver[24730]: connect(/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp) failed: Permission denied Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24719]: USAGE neutronstein user: 0.001000 sys: 0.002000 Sep 18 16:28:31 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24623]: login: localhost [127.0.0.1] neutronstein plaintext User logged in SESSIONID=cyrus-24623-1379521711-1 note: we changed the ownet of the file an the rights to 777 but nothing changed. Thank you Hi, It seems you have an issue with lmtp daemon. Try these steps: 1. Check if lmtp daemon is running: telnet 0 24 If it is working, you have to have a prompt similar to this one (i use dovecot): Trying 0.0.0.0... Connected to 0. Escape character is '^]'. 220 host.domain.tld Dovecot LMTP ready If not, then check why lmtp daemon is not working. 2. If lmtp is ok try to change the local mail delivery from unix socket to inet like this (main.cf in postfix): mailbox_transport = lmtp:inet:127.0.0.1:24 then reload postfix Hope that help. Relu -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] not receiving mails
Am 18.09.2013 16:41, schrieb labolinux: Le 18/09/2013 14:36, Szládovics Péter a écrit : 2013-09-18 13:24 keltezéssel, labolinux írta: Bonjour, We configured SOGowith all its dependencies (ldap, postfix, cyrus-imap, postgresql) on centos 6.4.Everything is working well, unless the fact that users are not receiving emails. Every dependency took alone is working well. Has anyone faced that issue? How did he resolve it? What can we do to resolve it? Thank you in advance. You need to cehck the followings: - Mail logs (included separated dovecot log) - Mail queue Find error messages, and write them to us. Hi Peter, we are not using dovecot, we are using cyrus-imapd instead. Here is theoutput of the log after sending an email Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/deliver[24730]: connect(/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp) failed: Permission denied Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24719]: USAGE neutronstein user: 0.001000 sys: 0.002000 Sep 18 16:28:31 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24623]: login: localhost [127.0.0.1] neutronstein plaintext User logged in SESSIONID=cyrus-24623-1379521711-1 Are the access rights of the folders correct? postfix runs most commands with the postfix user. Do you use SELinux? check the SELinux access rights or try with disables SELinux. regards Martin note: we changed the ownet of the file an the rights to 777 but nothing changed. Thank you -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2013-09-19 3:03 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts. I don't - this would have to be negotiated between the ISP and Microsoft. The prices you sent in your other email are not the ones from Microsoft - which could be significantly lower for large volumes. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Hi, Am 19.09.13 12:47, schrieb Ludovic Marcotte: On 2013-09-19 3:03 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts. I don't - this would have to be negotiated between the ISP and Microsoft. The prices you sent in your other email are not the ones from Microsoft - which could be significantly lower for large volumes. Ok, for my understanding: that fees are to pay, when SOGo + AS is used in a ISP setup? What about the company setup? Greetings, Martin -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2013-09-19 6:49 AM, Martin Rabl wrote: Ok, for my understanding: that fees are to pay, when SOGo + AS is used in a ISP setup? What about the company setup? Microsoft charges a per-mailbox fee for Active Sync support. We'll produce the software and distribute it for free, it'll be your responsibility to determine the number of licenses you require and acquire them from Microsoft. We would essentially shovel the license issues in your backyard, while we focus on actual development :-) -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] not receiving mails
Le 19/09/2013 08:37, Relu Parfene a écrit : On 18.09.2013 17:41, labolinux wrote:Hi, It seems you have an issue with lmtp daemon. Try these steps: 1. Check if lmtp daemon is running: telnet 0 24 If it is working, you have to have a prompt similar to this one (i use dovecot): Trying 0.0.0.0... Connected to 0. Escape character is '^]'. 220 host.domain.tld Dovecot LMTP ready If not, then check why lmtp daemon is not working. 2. If lmtp is ok try to change the local mail delivery from unix socket to inet like this (main.cf in postfix): mailbox_transport = lmtp:inet:127.0.0.1:24 then reload postfix Hope that help. Relu Hi Relu, first of all I thank you very much. You're right. We were using lmpt via the unix socket. After changing the mail transport through inet it works. Thanks again. Best regards. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Bravo! -- Skickat från mobilusken! -- 18 sep 2013 kl. 23:23 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca: Hello, We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for multiple reasons. First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry phones. After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo. Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us to believe we could: create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. Thanks! -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 19/09/2013 9:09 PM, Davor Vusir wrote: Bravo! -- Skickat från mobilusken! -- 18 sep 2013 kl. 23:23 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca: Hello, We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for multiple reasons. First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry phones. After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo. Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us to believe we could: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. Thanks! -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) Um... I just want to say you guys ROCK!!! Now we are getting somewhere :) */Regards,/* */Steven Swarts/* -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 09/19/13 09:10, Rémi Letot wrote: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there. I know I'm on the fringe of this, but this looks a bit worrying. I've three questions: Is that only true as long as Inverse are careful not to derive anything from Microsoft-copyrighted works? Could something semi-detached Funambol-like be done instead of moving SOGo away from the GPL? Would Inverse consider devoting similar resources to helping the Caldav and Carddav adapter developers as being used helping Microsoft? Thanks, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
At Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:10:24 +0200, Rémi Letot wrote: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Again, that fee would only apply where software patents are valid, which is great news for European users like me :-) I would advise anyone who is going to professionally run an ActiveSync service to not just think software patents are invalid in Europe and at least ask for legal advice. The situation is unfortunately a lot more complex than software being patentable or not. In Europe software as such is not patentable and what as such exactly means isn't really clear. The EPO interpretation is very narrow and the EPO has granted a lot of software patents. I'm not following all the things going on in software patent world anymore, but as far as I remeber a UK court did invalidate a patent because it was on software as such. On the other hand a Dutch court enforced a software patent from Apple on the photo gallery of some Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung had tried to get the patent invalidated on the basis that is a patent on software as such, but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on the basis that software patents aren't valid in Europe. Kind regards, Jeroen Dekkers -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 13-09-19 12:45 PM, MJ Ray wrote: Could something semi-detached Funambol-like be done instead of moving SOGo away from the GPL? We're not moving SOGo away from the GPL. the active sync stuff will have to be licensed under another license, but that's it. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Jeroen Dekkers jer...@dekkers.ch writes: At Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:10:24 +0200, Rémi Letot wrote: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Again, that fee would only apply where software patents are valid, which is great news for European users like me :-) I would advise anyone who is going to professionally run an ActiveSync service to not just think software patents are invalid in Europe and at least ask for legal advice. The situation is unfortunately a lot more complex than software being patentable or not. In Europe software as such is not patentable and what as such exactly means isn't really clear. The EPO interpretation is very narrow and the EPO has granted a lot of software patents. Which does not mean that these patents would hold in court. But I agree: defending oneself could be prohibitively expensive, and hasardeous. I'm not following all the things going on in software patent world anymore, but as far as I remeber a UK court did invalidate a patent because it was on software as such. On the other hand a Dutch court enforced a software patent from Apple on the photo gallery of some Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung had tried to get the patent invalidated on the basis that is a patent on software as such, AFAIK, it was not on software «as such», but on the way the user interracts with the interface (which itself is implemented in software), which is a whole different thing. but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on the basis that software patents aren't valid in Europe. Of course not, but software patents and patents on protocols or interfaces are completely out of scope in Europe (despite the EPO granting them). I can't see what in the active sync protocol could be considered patentable in Europe, there is no interraction with «the forces of nature» that I'm aware of. Microsoft could still try to defend it's patents in court, which would be a definitive blow to any European small business, but I really don't think they would risk confirmation of the invalidity of their patents for any small business scale operation. Now of course IANAL, this is only IMHO and all :-) Thanks, -- Rémi -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] BTS activities for Thursday, September 19 2013
Title: BTS activities for Thursday, September 19 2013 BTS Activities Home page: http://www.sogo.nu/bugs Project: SOGo For the period covering: Thursday, September 19 2013 idlast updatestatus (resolution)categorysummary 2414 2013-09-19 15:50:23 assigned (open) Backend Mail HTML formatted body is compiled by the client to be entirely on the same line 1935 2013-09-19 09:57:40 closed (fixed) OpenChange backend Cached mode, change of email priority from Outlook 2010 not reflected in SOGo's web interface 2217 2013-09-19 16:15:53 closed (fixed) Web Mail html-mails should offer plaintext alternative... for smartphone native mail client
