Re: [SOGo] sogo fails to start
Removal and reinstallation of sogo fixed problem. Thanks anyway. On 09/11/15 10:37, Nigel Pegram wrote: Hi, I have a previously working sogo install which following an upgrade now fails to start. It displays the error message: sogod[26952] File NSData.m: 163. In readContentsOfFile Open ((null)) attempt failed - bad path I'm unsure how to debug this. Any pointers appreciated. TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] sogo fails to start
I remembered I had changed one item in the setup file, so upon reverting that, and enabling more debugging options the logs display: version 2.3.2 (build @shiva.inverse 201509161658) -- starting vmem size check enabled: shutting down app when vmem > 384 MB <0x0x7f3e9ebac288[SOGoProductLoader]> SOGo products loaded from '/usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo': <0x0x7f3e9ebac288[SOGoProductLoader]> Appointments.SOGo, CommonUI.SOGo, MailPartViewers.SOGo, MailerUI.SOGo, ContactsUI.SOGo, PreferencesUI.SOGo, Contacts.S OGo, MainUI.SOGo, SchedulerUI.SOGo, AdministrationUI.SOGo, Mailer.SOGo 2015-11-09 12:25:29.916 sogod[3115] WOContext.m:85 Assertion failed in WOContext(instance), method initialize. Couldn't instantiate WOContextClass ((null))! /usr/sbin/sogod: Uncaught exception NSInternalInconsistencyException, reason: WOContext.m:85 Assertion failed in WOContext(instance), method initialize. Cou ldn't instantiate WOContextClass ((null))! TIA Nigel On 09/11/15 10:37, Nigel Pegram wrote: Hi, I have a previously working sogo install which following an upgrade now fails to start. It displays the error message: sogod[26952] File NSData.m: 163. In readContentsOfFile Open ((null)) attempt failed - bad path I'm unsure how to debug this. Any pointers appreciated. TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] sogo fails to start
Hi, I have a previously working sogo install which following an upgrade now fails to start. It displays the error message: sogod[26952] File NSData.m: 163. In readContentsOfFile Open ((null)) attempt failed - bad path I'm unsure how to debug this. Any pointers appreciated. TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Some contacts not synched with Thunderbird
Hi, SOGo is working fine, web interface perfect. Thunderbird integration working, apart from one error. Some contacts are not being synced to the Thunderbird address book. It looks like the cause is contact records which have a Display Name, but no first or last names. I don't know how the user has created these records, but they obviously have been able to. So, if SOGo allows records like this to be entered, why can't it synchronise them? If there is a good reason, then why doesn't SOGo block entry of such records (validate the data)? If validation like this is not able to be enforced then perhaps we need a work around in the back end to avoid these records disappearing, e.g. a work around which enters something in the required fields so they sync. Also, is there an easy way to find these records and update them? If nothing else we could do a quick correction by copying the display name to the first or last name field as-is. How, though? The data is in a mySQL database. I can program an SQL query, but I'd need to know how to find the records (in which tables they are). Is there a better way? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] broken subscription to icalendar
bump On 02/03/15 09:44, Nigel Pegram wrote: Hello, Recently a subscription to an icalendar account has stopped working, both in the web interface and in Thunderbird. When copying the URL into a web browser the calendar file seems to download correctly. The Thunderbird error console shows: [JavaScript Warning: There has been an error reading data for calendar: xxx. However, this error is believed to be minor, so the program will attempt to continue. Error code: READ_FAILED. Description: ] When I have tried to recreate the calendar in the web interface I receive a message saying An error occurred which importing calendar and the operation fails. The server log has: Mar 02 09:42:11 sogod [2068]: 124.148.76.77 POST /SOGo/so/bruce/Calendar/addWebCalendar HTTP/1.1 400 190/126 0.004 - - 12K The URL is being copied and pasted directly from the iCloud sharing information dialog. Any suggestions for debugging this? TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] broken subscription to icalendar
Hello, Recently a subscription to an icalendar account has stopped working, both in the web interface and in Thunderbird. When copying the URL into a web browser the calendar file seems to download correctly. The Thunderbird error console shows: [JavaScript Warning: There has been an error reading data for calendar: xxx. However, this error is believed to be minor, so the program will attempt to continue. Error code: READ_FAILED. Description: ] When I have tried to recreate the calendar in the web interface I receive a message saying An error occurred which importing calendar and the operation fails. The server log has: Mar 02 09:42:11 sogod [2068]: 124.148.76.77 POST /SOGo/so/bruce/Calendar/addWebCalendar HTTP/1.1 400 190/126 0.004 - - 12K The URL is being copied and pasted directly from the iCloud sharing information dialog. Any suggestions for debugging this? TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Direct Login by transmitting credentials
Hi, A quick look at the HTML shows it to be a form which posts to /SOGo/connect I'd be looking at AJAX/javascript on an intranet page to post userName, password and languageto that URL and then load the input. (I haven't tried it, just a thought.) Nigel On 20/03/14 16:13, u...@rumlikon.ch wrote: Hi everybody I was wondering if it is possible to login to sogo directly by transfering the credentials via URL (or any other way). We use sogo as part of our intranet and the intranet knows the credentials of the logged in user and could transfert it. This would be more convenient for our users. Exmaple: user1:passwo...@sogo.meidomain.com Any idea? Thanks Ueli -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Search entire mailstore from the GUI?
Is the web GUI a must? Thunderbird has this capability. Nigel On 11/03/14 22:33, Charles Marcus wrote: Hi all, I don't think SOGo has this capability, but hopefully I'm wrong. Is there a way to search, or even browse, the entire mailstore backend using the SOGo web GUI? My boss has asked me to look into a way for him, or someone he designates, to be able to search for keywords across the entire mailstore. I've explained about archiving tools, but he would prefer something that I can install myself and doesn't cost an arm and a leg... -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Best Mobile/Tablet OS for SOGo
Hi, I use both iOS and Android. While both work well, I've found the native support in iOS causes fewer challenges. I personally use Android since the document handling in iOS did not fit well with my work practices. If you can live with that, I'd happy suggest iOS. Nigel On 11/03/14 23:24, Sven Schwedas wrote: Hi, On 2014-03-11 15:45, ianjamesv...@icefire.eu wrote: The options appear to be: iOS (Apple) Android (Google) Windows Phone 8 (Microsoft) BlackBerry 10 (BlackBerry) Fwiw, FirefoxOS doesn't currently support CardDAV, but might in the reasonable future. My gut feeling is that Android is likely to be the most straightforward to adapt if changes are needed, as the other three are more locked down. However, I want to get feedback from users of SOGo and mobile devices (mainly phones, but also tablets) before I make a decision. We've been using both Android and iOS for months. While OSX is a royal pain and essentially broken, iOS (6 and 7) seem to work fine and didn't cause more problems than Android. iOS supports Cal/CardDAV natively, Android needs external Cal/CardDAV providers that cost around $7 per user, if that's an issue for you. Also, said providers are somewhat broken on HTC phones, thanks to HTC breaking core Android libraries [1], so you might want to stay away from them (we're using Google Nexus devices ever since). [1] http://dmfs.org/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Sense_issue Thanks, Ian -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] mail aliases for calendar
Hello, Thanks for the response, but I don't think were talking about the same thing. As I understand your reply, you're referring to referencing a different data field for email address information. My issue revolves around the person having more than one external email address: e.g. you can contact them on b...@somewhere.com and on i...@somewhere.com. An email to either address ends up in bob's inbox. The challenge is that if sogo is set up so that the calendar is for b...@somewhere.com, then meeting invitations sent to i...@somewhere.com do not work. HTH Nigel On 23/02/14 01:18, ABBAS Alain wrote: HEllo you must have in your sogo configuration file : MailFieldNames =(mail,alias); with all fields who could contain an email adress of the user Regards Le Samedi 22 Février 2014 03:35 CET, Nigel Pegram ndpeg...@gmail.com a écrit: Hello, At one of the sites where I have installed SOGo, I encountered a hiccough when one team member created an appointment inviting others. The recipient team member has multiple email addresses, so they received on a different account than the one which is connected to their calendar. Yet, since their mail is received/collected by a central server, it all ends up at the one account. The recipient was unable to accept the appointment. The error message was not helpful. It occurred to me that a solution may be a setting which allows ema il aliases to be recorded so that events processed using any of the listed email accounts are placed in the primary email address's calendar. Is this possible? It seems a useful addition. I can't be the only person who is dealing with clients who have multiple email addresses. Your thoughts? Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- *Alain Abbas* 11 rue Robert Schumann 54500 Vandoeuvre Tel : +333 83 18 02 70 skype: alain.abbas -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] mail aliases for calendar
Excellent, thanks for the detailed explanation. Nigel On 24/02/14 22:13, Christian Mack wrote: Hello Nigel Pegram ABBAS Alain is right, if your user bob has an email address of b...@somewhere.com AND an alias of i...@somewhere.com, then they should both be in the LDAP for user bob. But if you forward i...@somewhere.com to bob (and some other users) you can delegate use of i...@somewhere.com to bob (and the other users). In the SOGo Webfrontend you can do that by logging in as user it. Then in Mail right click on i...@somewhere.com in the folder tree. Choose Delegation It will open a window, where you can press the Add button. Another window opens, where you can search for bob. Select bob and press Add button on the bottom. Now close both windows again. When bob now logs in to SOGo, he can use i...@somewhere.com as sender in any email, and he can accept invitations for i...@somewhere.com. Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 2014-02-24 09:56, schrieb Nigel Pegram: Thanks for the response, but I don't think were talking about the same thing. As I understand your reply, you're referring to referencing a different data field for email address information. My issue revolves around the person having more than one external email address: e.g. you can contact them on b...@somewhere.com and on i...@somewhere.com. An email to either address ends up in bob's inbox. The challenge is that if sogo is set up so that the calendar is for b...@somewhere.com, then meeting invitations sent to i...@somewhere.com do not work. On 23/02/14 01:18, ABBAS Alain wrote: you must have in your sogo configuration file : MailFieldNames =(mail,alias); with all fields who could contain an email adress of the user Le Samedi 22 Février 2014 03:35 CET, Nigel Pegram ndpeg...@gmail.com a écrit: Hello, At one of the sites where I have installed SOGo, I encountered a hiccough when one team member created an appointment inviting others. The recipient team member has multiple email addresses, so they received on a different account than the one which is connected to their calendar. Yet, since their mail is received/collected by a central server, it all ends up at the one account. The recipient was unable to accept the appointment. The error message was not helpful. It occurred to me that a solution may be a setting which allows ema il aliases to be recorded so that events processed using any of the listed email accounts are placed in the primary email address's calendar. Is this possible? It seems a useful addition. I can't be the only person who is dealing with clients who have multiple email addresses. Your thoughts? Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- *Alain Abbas* 11 rue Robert Schumann 54500 Vandoeuvre Tel : +333 83 18 02 70 skype: alain.abbas -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] mail aliases for calendar
Hello, At one of the sites where I have installed SOGo, I encountered a hiccough when one team member created an appointment inviting others. The recipient team member has multiple email addresses, so they received on a different account than the one which is connected to their calendar. Yet, since their mail is received/collected by a central server, it all ends up at the one account. The recipient was unable to accept the appointment. The error message was not helpful. It occurred to me that a solution may be a setting which allows email aliases to be recorded so that events processed using any of the listed email accounts are placed in the primary email address's calendar. Is this possible? It seems a useful addition. I can't be the only person who is dealing with clients who have multiple email addresses. Your thoughts? Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] create task not in my own calendar
Hello, Yes, you do need to grant permissions for other to view or alter others' calendars. Try right clicking on the calendar, then select sharing from the menu. Regards, Nigel On 11/02/14 20:46, Systeembeheer wrote: Hello, As we are in the process of migrating from Exchange to SOGo I want to know the following: The receptionist must be able to plan a task for the technical department. I am now using the latest ZEG version of SOGo. We use the webinterface with firefox on Debian 7.3. I got as far as being able to see the tasklist from sogo2 user in the window from sogo1 user. But when I create a task I am only able to select the personal calender from the user himself not from the other. I know in Exchange you have to give permission to be able to do this but I do not know if this is nessesary in SOGo and cannot find where and how in SOGo. Can anyone shed some light on this? Kind regards, Systemmanagement W. Krelekamp systeembeh...@obg.nu mailto:systeembeh...@obg.nu -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] SOGo Integrator and New Calendar in Thunderbird
Hello everyone, I have TB 17.0.4 (Ubuntu) and SOGo working together, using Lightning, Connector and Integrator. If I create calendars via the web interface, they automatically appear in TB—all very good :-) However, the reverse doesn't seem to work. Creating a calendar in TB On My Computer results in a local file store, not a SOGo calendar. It may be my expectations, but if SOGo is /integrated/ with TB, then when I create a calendar in TB, I had expected it to be created in SOGo. Is this a current limitation? I can ask my users to create using the web interface, but it's a missing feature, then, IMHO. It would be very user friendly to create calendars in TB directly into SOGo, either by default or as an additional option. Cheers Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Outlook calendar and contacts work, mail fails
Hello again, I've tried sorting this out, but when I've added the suggested settings to dovecot it causes IMAP logins to fail. My guess is the passing comment about limiting the changed permissions to the sogo process, but I've no idea how to do that. I tried adding user=sogo and uid=sogoid but it didn't seem to work. Could someone provide an example of how they've done that in dovecot please? TIA Nigel On 11/03/13 00:40, Jean Raby wrote: On 13-03-10 9:02 AM, Nigel Pegram wrote: Hello everyone, I have a working sogo installation. Everything seems to work as expected from the web interface, including mail. However, when connecting using outlook, I am able to read and write to the calendar and contacts, but nothing happens with the mail. The folders and messages are not loaded from the server, nor is a created folder replicated to the server. System is a clean install of Ubuntu 12.04. Imap is provided by dovecot. Sogo 2.0.4b The following from the logs seems to be where the problem is, but I don't know how to solve it. Mar 10 20:43:33 sogod [1491]: [ERROR] 0x0xb94a3f78[NGImap4ConnectionManager] IMAP4 login failed: host=mailserver, user=nigel, pwd=no url=imap://nigel@mailserver/ base=(null) base-class=(null)) Exactly, please see the documentation regarding the trust between the imap server and sogo. (or the password files) http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf (p7 and p14) TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Outlook calendar and contacts work, mail fails
Thanks for your reply Jean, I did include the dovecot settings as suggested on page 7. It may be complicated by the fact that the SOGO server is on one machine and dovecot on another. I'll revise the dovecot docs and get back to you. Regards, Nigel On 11/03/13 00:40, Jean Raby wrote: On 13-03-10 9:02 AM, Nigel Pegram wrote: Hello everyone, I have a working sogo installation. Everything seems to work as expected from the web interface, including mail. However, when connecting using outlook, I am able to read and write to the calendar and contacts, but nothing happens with the mail. The folders and messages are not loaded from the server, nor is a created folder replicated to the server. System is a clean install of Ubuntu 12.04. Imap is provided by dovecot. Sogo 2.0.4b The following from the logs seems to be where the problem is, but I don't know how to solve it. Mar 10 20:43:33 sogod [1491]: [ERROR] 0x0xb94a3f78[NGImap4ConnectionManager] IMAP4 login failed: host=mailserver, user=nigel, pwd=no url=imap://nigel@mailserver/ base=(null) base-class=(null)) Exactly, please see the documentation regarding the trust between the imap server and sogo. (or the password files) http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf (p7 and p14) TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Outlook calendar and contacts work, mail fails
Hello everyone, I have a working sogo installation. Everything seems to work as expected from the web interface, including mail. However, when connecting using outlook, I am able to read and write to the calendar and contacts, but nothing happens with the mail. The folders and messages are not loaded from the server, nor is a created folder replicated to the server. System is a clean install of Ubuntu 12.04. Imap is provided by dovecot. Sogo 2.0.4b The following from the logs seems to be where the problem is, but I don't know how to solve it. Mar 10 20:43:33 sogod [1491]: [ERROR] 0x0xb94a3f78[NGImap4ConnectionManager] IMAP4 login failed: host=mailserver, user=nigel, pwd=no url=imap://nigel@mailserver/ base=(null) base-class=(null)) TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Sogo Domain for Microsoft Setup
See p. 15 of the manual. You need both sogo.yourdomain and autodiscover.yourdomain set in your DNS/hosts file. HTH Nigel Sent from my iPad Intelligent Organisations Building leaders, teams and organisations. Nigel Pegram Phone +61 4 3170 3410 90 Weston St, Maddington WA 6109, Australia ABN 78975593881 On 29/09/2012, at 12:29 AM, Devinder Singh devinder.si...@qlc.in wrote: Any feedback for me ? Any idea where I might be going wrong ? Thanks Regards, Devinder Singh Birdi On 9/28/2012 6:28 PM, Devinder Singh wrote: Hi , I get the error as attached when I enter the MS Exchange Server as sogo.qlc.net and user - devinder I can access the SOG0 domain via http://sogo.qlc.net/SOGo . Any idea what could be the value to be passed to Microsoft Exchange Server and where can I find it ? Thanks Regards, Devinder Singh Birdi On 9/28/2012 1:29 AM, John Russell wrote: Just curious, what linux distro/version are you using? On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Devinder Singh devinder.si...@qlc.inwrote: Hi All, I have been able to configure the entire SOGo setup for Microsoft Native Compatibility. I am stuck at the last step .* Enter the DNS name or the IP address of your SOGo server in the Microsoft Exchange Server field** * On my system right now, with any can run the SOGo due to the conf configuration as below. ProxyPass /SOGo http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo retry=0 by giving my IP no. as 192.168.1.185 does not work. Any idea what value can I add in that field ? Additionally, what does autodiscover.example.com does ? how would I configure it . Already ocsmanager.conf has the ProxyPass for the /autodiscovery. Kindly guide. -- Thanks Regards, Devinder Singh Birdi -- It's better to be boldly decisive and risk being wrong than to agonize at length and be right too late. Marilyn Moats Kennedy -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Cannot login following new install
Thank you Peter and Paul, I will look at them both. Cheers Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Cannot login following new install
Ok. I've made a little progress, starting again using the LJ article settings, including reinstalling SOGo. Now the DB log shows: 120210 10:26:0133608 Connectsogo@localhost on sogo 33608 QuerySET CHARACTER SET utf8 33608 QuerySELECT c_password FROM sogo_users WHERE c_uid = 'chris' 33608 QuerySELECT * FROM sogo_users WHERE (c_uid = 'chris') OR (mail = 'chris') 33608 QuerySELECT c_settings FROM sogo_user_profile WHERE c_uid = 'chris' So we have things happening beyond the initial password lookup. Now in the browser the URL changes from localhost/SOGo to localhost/SOGo/username However, nothing new is displayed, the login page still appears. If the wrong password is used, an error message appears, as expected. There are no errors in the apache logs, just: 127.0.0.1 - - [10/Feb/2012:10:32:27 +0800] GET /SOGo/chris HTTP/1.1 200 4036 http://localhost/SOGo/; Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0 TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] solved Cannot login following new install
Thanks to Peter and Paul, Installation of memcached and rpl packages fixed it. Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Cannot login following new install
Hello everyone, I have installed a new installation of sogo on Ubuntu 10.10. I have used mysql as the data store. I have the daemons running and am able to display the web page http://localhost/SOGo My problem is that I cannot login. I have tried creating a couple of users in the sogo_view table and have tried passwords in clear text, and md5. All the other tables are empty since ths is my first login attempt. It seems that the communication is happening between sogo and the database, but something fails after the query. I don't know how to debug this any further. Every time the logs give the same result: 31415 Query SELECT c_password FROM sogo_view WHERE c_uid = 'nigel' 120209 10:47:01 31417 Connect sogo@localhost on sogo 31417 Query SET CHARACTER SET utf8 31417 Query BEGIN 31417 Query SELECT t1.c_alarm_number, t1.c_name, t1.c_path, t1.c_recurrence_id, t1.c_uid FROM sogo_alarms_folder t1 WHERE t1.c_alarm_date = 1328755320 AND t1.c_alarm_date = 1328755620 31417 Query ROLLBACK 31417 Query BEGIN 31417 Query DELETE FROM sogo_alarms_folder WHERE c_alarm_date = 1328755620 31417 Query COMMIT My configuration is below (with passwords changed). ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC -//GNUstep//DTD plist 0.9//EN http://www.gnustep.org/plist-0_9.xml; plist version=0.9 dict keyNSGlobalDomain/key dict /dict keysogod/key dict keyMySQL4DebugEnabled/key stringyes/string keyOCSEMailAlarmsFolderURL/key stringmysql://sogo:password@localhost:3306/sogo/sogo_alarms_folder/string keyOCSFolderInfoURL/key stringmysql://sogo:password@localhost:3306/sogo/sogo_folder_info/string keyOCSSessionsFolderURL/key stringmysql://sogo:password@localhost:3306/sogo/sogo_sessions_folder/string keySOGoACLsSendEMailNotifications/key stringYES/string keySOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications/key stringYES/string keySOGoAppointmentSendEMailReceipts/key stringYES/string keySOGoDraftsFolderName/key stringDrafts/string keySOGoEnableEMailAlarms/key stringYES/string keySOGoFoldersSendEMailNotifications/key stringYES/string keySOGoIMAPServer/key stringlocalhost:993/string keySOGoLanguage/key stringEnglish/string keySOGoMailComposeMessageType/key stringhtml/string keySOGoMailDomain/key stringpegram.homelinux.net/string keySOGoMailMessageCheck/key stringevery_10_minutes/string keySOGoMailReplyPlacement/key stringabove/string keySOGoMailSignaturePlacement/key stringabove/string keySOGoMailingMechanism/key stringsmtp/string keySOGoProfileURL/key stringmysql://sogo:password@localhost:3306/sogo/sogo_user_profile/string keySOGoSMTPServer/key stringlocalhost/string keySOGoSentFolderName/key stringSent/string keySOGoTimeZone/key stringAustralia/Perth/string keySOGoTrashFolderName/key stringTrash/string keySOGoUserSources/key array dict keycanAuthenticate/key stringYES/string keydisplayName/key stringPegram Address Book/string keyid/key stringdirectory/string keyisAddressBook/key stringYES/string keytype/key stringsql/string keyuserPasswordAlgorithm/key stringmd5/string keyviewURL/key stringmysql://sogo:password@localhost:3306/sogo/sogo_view/string /dict /array keySoSecurityManagerDebugEnabled/key stringyes/string /dict /dict /plist TIA Nigel -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
