Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
They answered - and told me that they are planning to update to some version 4 "eventually" - and I should have some patience! So I am telling them that it is really a serious bug, and also that support is not any more provided. Regards, Cornelis Am Dienstag, November 19, 2019 11:45 CET, Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch) schrieb: Yes, this is what I did already today - let's hope they will eventually do it! Regards, Cornelis Am Dienstag, November 19, 2019 11:30 CET, "Christian Mack" (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: Hello You should nudge your provider to upgrade, as version 3 is no longer supported by Inverse. And only an upgrade can fix that problem. Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 18.11.19 um 18:15 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Right, I was blind: It is 3.2.10. > > Regards, Cornelis > > > Am Montag, November 18, 2019 18:10 CET, "Christian Mack" > (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: > Hello > > What do you see when opening your settings menu? > > First Entry under "general" should be "SOGo Version". > > > Kind regards, > Christian Mack > > Am 18.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): >> >> Hello again, >> >> Actually I tried to answer that question, but I could not find the answer in >> my web interface: I am running whatever netcup.de is providing, and I did >> not find any indication about which version that currently is! So I would >> probably have to ask the support at Netcup. >> >> Regards, >> Cornelis >> >> >> Am Montag, November 18, 2019 17:49 CET, "Christian Mack" >> (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: >> Hello >> >> You didn't answer my first question. >> Which version of SOGo are you using? >> >> I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several >> thousand users on each of them. >> Both do not have that bug. >> And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> Christian Mack >> > -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 -- Cornelis Bockemühl mail: corne...@bockemuehl.ch phone: +41 79 644 9943 Basel, Switzerland https://cobo.bockemuehl.ch -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- Cornelis Bockemühl mail: corne...@bockemuehl.ch phone: +41 79 644 9943 Basel, Switzerland https://cobo.bockemuehl.ch -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Yes, this is what I did already today - let's hope they will eventually do it! Regards, Cornelis Am Dienstag, November 19, 2019 11:30 CET, "Christian Mack" (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: Hello You should nudge your provider to upgrade, as version 3 is no longer supported by Inverse. And only an upgrade can fix that problem. Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 18.11.19 um 18:15 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Right, I was blind: It is 3.2.10. > > Regards, Cornelis > > > Am Montag, November 18, 2019 18:10 CET, "Christian Mack" > (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: > Hello > > What do you see when opening your settings menu? > > First Entry under "general" should be "SOGo Version". > > > Kind regards, > Christian Mack > > Am 18.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): >> >> Hello again, >> >> Actually I tried to answer that question, but I could not find the answer in >> my web interface: I am running whatever netcup.de is providing, and I did >> not find any indication about which version that currently is! So I would >> probably have to ask the support at Netcup. >> >> Regards, >> Cornelis >> >> >> Am Montag, November 18, 2019 17:49 CET, "Christian Mack" >> (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: >> Hello >> >> You didn't answer my first question. >> Which version of SOGo are you using? >> >> I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several >> thousand users on each of them. >> Both do not have that bug. >> And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> Christian Mack >> > -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 -- Cornelis Bockemühl mail: corne...@bockemuehl.ch phone: +41 79 644 9943 Basel, Switzerland https://cobo.bockemuehl.ch -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Hello You should nudge your provider to upgrade, as version 3 is no longer supported by Inverse. And only an upgrade can fix that problem. Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 18.11.19 um 18:15 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Right, I was blind: It is 3.2.10. > > Regards, Cornelis > > > Am Montag, November 18, 2019 18:10 CET, "Christian Mack" > (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: > Hello > > What do you see when opening your settings menu? > > First Entry under "general" should be "SOGo Version". > > > Kind regards, > Christian Mack > > Am 18.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): >> >> Hello again, >> >> Actually I tried to answer that question, but I could not find the answer in >> my web interface: I am running whatever netcup.de is providing, and I did >> not find any indication about which version that currently is! So I would >> probably have to ask the support at Netcup. >> >> Regards, >> Cornelis >> >> >> Am Montag, November 18, 2019 17:49 CET, "Christian Mack" >> (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: >> Hello >> >> You didn't answer my first question. >> Which version of SOGo are you using? >> >> I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several >> thousand users on each of them. >> Both do not have that bug. >> And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> Christian Mack >> > -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Right, I was blind: It is 3.2.10. Regards, Cornelis Am Montag, November 18, 2019 18:10 CET, "Christian Mack" (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: Hello What do you see when opening your settings menu? First Entry under "general" should be "SOGo Version". Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 18.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Hello again, > > Actually I tried to answer that question, but I could not find the answer in > my web interface: I am running whatever netcup.de is providing, and I did not > find any indication about which version that currently is! So I would > probably have to ask the support at Netcup. > > Regards, > Cornelis > > > Am Montag, November 18, 2019 17:49 CET, "Christian Mack" > (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: > Hello > > You didn't answer my first question. > Which version of SOGo are you using? > > I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several > thousand users on each of them. > Both do not have that bug. > And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. > > > Kind regards, > Christian Mack > -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 -- Cornelis Bockemühl phone: +41 79 644 9943 Basel, Switzerland https://cobo.bockemuehl.ch -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Hello What do you see when opening your settings menu? First Entry under "general" should be "SOGo Version". Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 18.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Hello again, > > Actually I tried to answer that question, but I could not find the answer in > my web interface: I am running whatever netcup.de is providing, and I did not > find any indication about which version that currently is! So I would > probably have to ask the support at Netcup. > > Regards, > Cornelis > > > Am Montag, November 18, 2019 17:49 CET, "Christian Mack" > (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: > Hello > > You didn't answer my first question. > Which version of SOGo are you using? > > I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several > thousand users on each of them. > Both do not have that bug. > And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. > > > Kind regards, > Christian Mack > -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Hello again, Actually I tried to answer that question, but I could not find the answer in my web interface: I am running whatever netcup.de is providing, and I did not find any indication about which version that currently is! So I would probably have to ask the support at Netcup. Regards, Cornelis Am Montag, November 18, 2019 17:49 CET, "Christian Mack" (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: Hello You didn't answer my first question. Which version of SOGo are you using? I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several thousand users on each of them. Both do not have that bug. And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. Kind regards, Christian Mack -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Hello You didn't answer my first question. Which version of SOGo are you using? I have one 4.1.0 and one 2.3.23 running in production with several thousand users on each of them. Both do not have that bug. And as I hinted, that would be a bug, as parameters in URLs are standard. Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 18.11.19 um 17:12 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Dear Christian, > > Thanks for looking into it! > > No, in that case I cannot share an original, but I set up a Thunderbird mail > with the same account, looking into that same message and see the raw source > of the HTML mail. That mail I am currently referring to has a plain text part > and a HTML part as quoted-printable, and if I decode that part this is how > the link looks like (server part replaced by ): > > href="https://..nnn/lt.php?s=f33e07026ad5650044d5e4ef3d160c93=695A1452A114A9745; > > However, if I open that mail with SoGo and have the mouse over that link, I > see in the lower left corner of the screen the same thing, but the & is > replaced by , and if I click on that link, I am forwarded to - just a > one pixel dot. Obviously meaning that the link was wrong! > > If now I am manually entering the above link into a browser, without the > damaged ampersand, I come to a page that lets me download some document - > which is how it is supposed to work. > > I have no idea whether the & is really PHP code or not, but to me this looks > like: the lt.php is some script which takes the parameters s=... and i=..., > which are separated by that &. And if the & is replaced by , then it > "sees" a parameter like amp;i=... - and does nothing sensible. > > What I know is: It does not work like that! > > What I don't know: who is the "guilty party": > > - either SoGo should leave the & intact, not replacing it by some , and > simply bring me to the intended linked location. This is what btw. also > Thunderbird is doing with that same mail: here the link is working properly! > > - or the writers of that lt.php script should add some additional code that > takes care of the possibility that somebody has damaged the link, so ignoring > any amp; at the beginning of a parameter. > > My guess is: SoGo should not do the damaging in the first place! > > Regarding the SoGo version that I am using: Actually I have it not installed > myself, but I use it because it is provided by my internet provider, > netcup.de, and in my web interface I did so far not find some "about" or > similar that tells me the version. > > Best regards, > Cornelis > > Am Montag, November 18, 2019 15:53 CET, "Christian Mack" > (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: > Hello > > Am 18.11.19 um 11:37 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): >> >> Dear Sogo community, >> >> My provider is offering us Sogo as a groupware user interface for mail, >> contacts and calendar, and I am very happy with it! But there is one little >> technical detail that is regularly creating trouble: ampersand signs in >> links that I am receiving by mail. >> >> So what is happening: I receive a mail with a link, click on it - and do not >> get anything! Then I use some other mail program, receive the mail, click on >> the link - and everything is just fine. >> >> And looking into details I see that SoGo was just converting an ampersand >> sign & which is part of the link into while other mailers simply kept >> it as it is. >> >> I had already a conversation with the sender of such a mail - and they say >> of course that this is the fault of my mail program, ie. SoGo! And I am >> afraid that I will hear now from the SoGo community that this is the fault >> of those people who send me links containing & chars - because that is a >> special character in HTML code, so it is not correct to include it without >> some kind of escaping. Still there are many links that contain & chars in >> order to pass parameters to some PHP code! >> >> Not finding any mention about "ampersand" in the issues tracker, I have a >> tendency to enter this as a SoGo bug, but I did not do so yet; rather I want >> to hear some expert opinions about the subject here! >> > > PHP has nothing to do with that. > Parameters in URLs are a standard defined way to provide options to > scripts, who produce HTML. > This works in SOGo, at least for me. > > Which version of SOGo do you use? > Can you give an example email (raw text)? > > > Kind regards, > Christian Mack > > -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Dear Christian, Thanks for looking into it! No, in that case I cannot share an original, but I set up a Thunderbird mail with the same account, looking into that same message and see the raw source of the HTML mail. That mail I am currently referring to has a plain text part and a HTML part as quoted-printable, and if I decode that part this is how the link looks like (server part replaced by ): href="https://..nnn/lt.php?s=f33e07026ad5650044d5e4ef3d160c93=695A1452A114A9745; However, if I open that mail with SoGo and have the mouse over that link, I see in the lower left corner of the screen the same thing, but the & is replaced by , and if I click on that link, I am forwarded to - just a one pixel dot. Obviously meaning that the link was wrong! If now I am manually entering the above link into a browser, without the damaged ampersand, I come to a page that lets me download some document - which is how it is supposed to work. I have no idea whether the & is really PHP code or not, but to me this looks like: the lt.php is some script which takes the parameters s=... and i=..., which are separated by that &. And if the & is replaced by , then it "sees" a parameter like amp;i=... - and does nothing sensible. What I know is: It does not work like that! What I don't know: who is the "guilty party": - either SoGo should leave the & intact, not replacing it by some , and simply bring me to the intended linked location. This is what btw. also Thunderbird is doing with that same mail: here the link is working properly! - or the writers of that lt.php script should add some additional code that takes care of the possibility that somebody has damaged the link, so ignoring any amp; at the beginning of a parameter. My guess is: SoGo should not do the damaging in the first place! Regarding the SoGo version that I am using: Actually I have it not installed myself, but I use it because it is provided by my internet provider, netcup.de, and in my web interface I did so far not find some "about" or similar that tells me the version. Best regards, Cornelis Am Montag, November 18, 2019 15:53 CET, "Christian Mack" (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) schrieb: Hello Am 18.11.19 um 11:37 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Dear Sogo community, > > My provider is offering us Sogo as a groupware user interface for mail, > contacts and calendar, and I am very happy with it! But there is one little > technical detail that is regularly creating trouble: ampersand signs in links > that I am receiving by mail. > > So what is happening: I receive a mail with a link, click on it - and do not > get anything! Then I use some other mail program, receive the mail, click on > the link - and everything is just fine. > > And looking into details I see that SoGo was just converting an ampersand > sign & which is part of the link into while other mailers simply kept > it as it is. > > I had already a conversation with the sender of such a mail - and they say of > course that this is the fault of my mail program, ie. SoGo! And I am afraid > that I will hear now from the SoGo community that this is the fault of those > people who send me links containing & chars - because that is a special > character in HTML code, so it is not correct to include it without some kind > of escaping. Still there are many links that contain & chars in order to pass > parameters to some PHP code! > > Not finding any mention about "ampersand" in the issues tracker, I have a > tendency to enter this as a SoGo bug, but I did not do so yet; rather I want > to hear some expert opinions about the subject here! > PHP has nothing to do with that. Parameters in URLs are a standard defined way to provide options to scripts, who produce HTML. This works in SOGo, at least for me. Which version of SOGo do you use? Can you give an example email (raw text)? Kind regards, Christian Mack -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Ampersand problem
Hello Am 18.11.19 um 11:37 schrieb Cornelis Bockemühl (corne...@bockemuehl.ch): > > Dear Sogo community, > > My provider is offering us Sogo as a groupware user interface for mail, > contacts and calendar, and I am very happy with it! But there is one little > technical detail that is regularly creating trouble: ampersand signs in links > that I am receiving by mail. > > So what is happening: I receive a mail with a link, click on it - and do not > get anything! Then I use some other mail program, receive the mail, click on > the link - and everything is just fine. > > And looking into details I see that SoGo was just converting an ampersand > sign & which is part of the link into while other mailers simply kept > it as it is. > > I had already a conversation with the sender of such a mail - and they say of > course that this is the fault of my mail program, ie. SoGo! And I am afraid > that I will hear now from the SoGo community that this is the fault of those > people who send me links containing & chars - because that is a special > character in HTML code, so it is not correct to include it without some kind > of escaping. Still there are many links that contain & chars in order to pass > parameters to some PHP code! > > Not finding any mention about "ampersand" in the issues tracker, I have a > tendency to enter this as a SoGo bug, but I did not do so yet; rather I want > to hear some expert opinions about the subject here! > PHP has nothing to do with that. Parameters in URLs are a standard defined way to provide options to scripts, who produce HTML. This works in SOGo, at least for me. Which version of SOGo do you use? Can you give an example email (raw text)? Kind regards, Christian Mack -- Christian Mack Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung Basisdienste 78457 Konstanz +49 7531 88-4416 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[SOGo] Ampersand problem
Dear Sogo community, My provider is offering us Sogo as a groupware user interface for mail, contacts and calendar, and I am very happy with it! But there is one little technical detail that is regularly creating trouble: ampersand signs in links that I am receiving by mail. So what is happening: I receive a mail with a link, click on it - and do not get anything! Then I use some other mail program, receive the mail, click on the link - and everything is just fine. And looking into details I see that SoGo was just converting an ampersand sign & which is part of the link into while other mailers simply kept it as it is. I had already a conversation with the sender of such a mail - and they say of course that this is the fault of my mail program, ie. SoGo! And I am afraid that I will hear now from the SoGo community that this is the fault of those people who send me links containing & chars - because that is a special character in HTML code, so it is not correct to include it without some kind of escaping. Still there are many links that contain & chars in order to pass parameters to some PHP code! Not finding any mention about "ampersand" in the issues tracker, I have a tendency to enter this as a SoGo bug, but I did not do so yet; rather I want to hear some expert opinions about the subject here! Best regards, Cornelis -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
