Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 1/19/24 16:32, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: There is a filtering rule in Gmail: *Never send it to Spam* I apply that rule to extremely important emails such as debian-bugs- dist and debian-devel-announce. You know that. I know that. But trying to explain to the board members I'm helping out is... painful. Very simply worded step by step instructions, with screenshots amended with arrows, outlines, highlights and so forth as needed. ...the .sigmonster agrees. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.org pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- News flash: Lowest Common Denominator down 50 points --- 4 days until John Moses Browning's 169th Birthday
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On 1/19/24 16:32, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: There is a filtering rule in Gmail: *Never send it to Spam* I apply that rule to extremely important emails such as debian-bugs- dist and debian-devel-announce. You know that. I know that. But trying to explain to the board members I'm helping out is... painful. Thomas
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
Hellow Thomas, > But it drops it into the spam folder every time. So when I'm sending > emails to someone's alias, they have to check their spam folder. Even > when they mark it as "not spam," GMail still drops it into the spam > folder. It's very frustrating. > There is a filtering rule in Gmail: *Never send it to Spam* I apply that rule to extremely important emails such as debian-bugs- dist and debian-devel-announce. Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On 1/19/24 14:33, Matija Nalis wrote: You would need to encourage at least several of the recepients (the more the better) to click on "Not spam" button on GMail on such mails. Then it will (eventually) start accepting them normally. Yup, that's basically what I've been doing. see e.g. https://serverfault.com/questions/953486/repairing-e-mail-domain-reputation-on-google I suspect that Google might even doing it on purpose, in order to "encourage" even more users to be locked in their e-mail walled-garden ecosystem. Google being anti-competitive? I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I say! -- Thomas
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 10:37:13AM -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > The forwarded email is being *accepted* by GMail. My issue now is that GMail > drops it into the recipient's spam folder. I suspect it's a reputation > thing. Once the server is up and running for a while, I'm hoping that GMail > will stop flagging the emails from the server as spam. You would need to encourage at least several of the recepients (the more the better) to click on "Not spam" button on GMail on such mails. Then it will (eventually) start accepting them normally. see e.g. https://serverfault.com/questions/953486/repairing-e-mail-domain-reputation-on-google I suspect that Google might even doing it on purpose, in order to "encourage" even more users to be locked in their e-mail walled-garden ecosystem. -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted.
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On 1/7/24 05:40, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I built email servers for a non-profit I volunteer for. If email comes into the server for presid...@myassociation.org, I would normally just create an alias in /etc/aliases so that emails to president@ get forwarded to the president's "real" email address, say presidents_real_em...@gmail.com. postfix supports expand_owner_alias, which, when you are sending to al...@example.com, will set sender to owner-al...@example.com. That way SPF should pass. The problem is, when I send email to presid...@myassociation.org, gmail rejects the forwarded email because it appears to come from my personal domain, not the mythical myassociation.org domain. DKIM, DMARC, and SPF all fail, which I totally understand. How can I make this work? DKIM should not fail, unless you modify the message. Do you modify the message? On 07.01.24 19:07, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1043539#88 Cite: If your dkim signature is OK, then Gmail does accept all mails. So never use SRS. DKIM is enough. This is not a good advice. Whoever filters SPF at SMTP time will reject that message. Gmail is not the only mail service available. Initially, I was seeing errors where GMail didn't list SPF as "passed." But after about an hour, it started passing. I think it was an old DNS record that finally expired. The forwarded email is being *accepted* by GMail. My issue now is that GMail drops it into the recipient's spam folder. I suspect it's a reputation thing. Once the server is up and running for a while, I'm hoping that GMail will stop flagging the emails from the server as spam. Thomas
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On 1/7/24 04:07, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Hellow Thomas, See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1043539#88 Sincerely, Byung-Hee The issue is not so much that GMail doesn't accept the email. It does, since I have DKIM, DMARC, and SPF set up. But it drops it into the spam folder every time. So when I'm sending emails to someone's alias, they have to check their spam folder. Even when they mark it as "not spam," GMail still drops it into the spam folder. It's very frustrating. Thomas
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
Byung-Hee HWANG skrev den 2024-01-19 11:12: I rely on DNSWL for the reputable MX. if repution is 100% needed we all have to make local rescore on all local mails, since repution is to be local, not external just i consider dnswl level 0 to be possitive scored, and let the other levels be negative, this fits nicely, but was not designed to be so in mta stage
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
Marc skrev den 2024-01-19 09:34: Hi Byung and Benny, are you having a nice MX party? :) not needed yet, hehe
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
Byung-Hee HWANG skrev den 2024-01-19 06:16: Actually i used Google MX for 10 years. Recently, i created dedicated MXs and am continuing to operate them. Plus, the dedicated MXs run on Google Cloud and RimuHosting. it was to vierd for me to figure out how to get it working, and posible in the long run also too expansive, one of the problems i spoted is no dnssec, who will accept this in 2024 ? i have considered also prothonmail and fastmail, just to name other, i lost prothon with loosed the mails on the account, lost the private key, so learned in the hard way for me host own servers is best for me with gentoo, no precompiled problems at all I terminated my Google Workspace commercial account. 2 years ago. not needed anymore ?, or just too expansive ?, minimal one could have a own mta, and then relay with sasl auth to gmail, so this way gmail is just mailstorage, and the reverse is in gmail to use external mta, if i do anything, i might try it
Re: [UPDATE] Changes to Validity Reputation Data Through DNS
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 6:53 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > H > Tom Bartel writes: > > > Starting March 1, 2024, we will allow up to 10,000 requests per user > over a > > 30-day time period. After the 10,000 requests, users must create a > > MyValidity account to continue using this free service. Upon the creation > > of a MyValidity account, you will receive continued access to queries > > through Spam Assassin > > > If a person doesn't have an account, what does "user" mean? If what you > really mean is "1 requests from a given IP address over a 30-day > period" (which seems fine) then just say that. > Yes that is what we really mean, I'll update our verbiage accordingly. Thanks for the clarification! Tom
Re: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
On Fri, 2024-01-19 at 08:34 +, Marc wrote: > > > Byung-Hee HWANG skrev den 2024-01-08 12:27: > > > > > > > Gmail is my last INBOX. That's enough for me. > > > > > > +1, so you are ready to setup google mx ? :) > > > > > > > Hellow Benny, > > > > Actually i used Google MX for 10 years. Recently, i created > > dedicated > > MXs and am continuing to operate them. Plus, the dedicated MXs run > > on > > Google Cloud and RimuHosting. > > > > I terminated my Google Workspace commercial account. 2 years ago. > > > > Hi Byung and Benny, are you having a nice MX party? :) > Hellow Marc, I rely on DNSWL for the reputable MX. Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//
RE: Question about forwarding email (not specifically SA, pointers greatly appreciated)
> > Byung-Hee HWANG skrev den 2024-01-08 12:27: > > > > > Gmail is my last INBOX. That's enough for me. > > > > +1, so you are ready to setup google mx ? :) > > > > Hellow Benny, > > Actually i used Google MX for 10 years. Recently, i created dedicated > MXs and am continuing to operate them. Plus, the dedicated MXs run on > Google Cloud and RimuHosting. > > I terminated my Google Workspace commercial account. 2 years ago. > Hi Byung and Benny, are you having a nice MX party? :)
