Is anyone minding the store ????
I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list, in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822. So I sent an email to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org and _that_ bounced. It seems that the registered owner of the list, msquad...@gmx.net, is also an unknown user. I would expect that a list devoted to making the Internet mail system run to everyone's benefit rather than to everyone's detriment would be operated in a more professional manner! Is anyone minding the store -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works|Accredited FMP Computer Services | if you let it | by the 512-259-1190 |(The Roadie) | Austin Better http://www.fmp.com| | Business Bureau
Is anyone minding the store ????
I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list, in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822. So I sent an email to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org and _that_ bounced. It seems that the registered owner of the list, msquad...@gmx.net, is also an unknown user. I would expect that a list devoted to making the Internet mail system run to everyone's benefit rather than to everyone's detriment would be operated in a more professional manner! Is anyone minding the store -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works|Accredited FMP Computer Services | if you let it | by the 512-259-1190 |(The Roadie) | Austin Better http://www.fmp.com| | Business Bureau
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list, in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822. You seem to be the only one. Is anyone minding the store What store? -- Michael Scheidell, CTO |SECNAP Network Security Finalist 2009 Network Products Guide Hot Companies FreeBSD SpamAssassin Ports maintainer _ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list, in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822. Step one: Open mouth. Step two, insert foot. Guess I a getting them now, so its not you, but its not the list doing it. It is some one who subscribed to the list. Their mail server is mucked up: listowner: please unsubscribe john till he fixes his server. Any email to john will bounce. And, or, till then, block email from their server. The mail system jbera...@localhost.redux.org.uk: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=localhost.redux.org.uk type=: Host not found Reporting-MTA: dns; linda.intranet X-Postfix-Queue-ID: E13F719CB90 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; scheid...@secnap.net Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:12:01 + (GMT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; jbera...@localhost.redux.org.uk Original-Recipient: rfc822;jbera...@localhost Action: failed Status: 5.4.4 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=localhost.redux.org.uk type=: Host not found X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at redux.org.uk Authentication-Results: home.redux.org.uk (amavisd-new); dkim=pass header...@secnap.net Received: from linda.intranet ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (home.redux.org.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c8QR6w+wrWyg for jbera...@localhost.redux.org.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:03:39 + (GMT) Received: from linda.intranet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linda.intranet (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977C5C05A4 for jbera...@localhost; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:03:39 + (GMT) Envelope-to: j...@redux.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:03:02 + Received: from secure.pepperfish.net [87.237.62.181] by linda.intranet with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.9-rc2) for jbera...@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 -- Michael Scheidell, CTO |SECNAP Network Security Finalist 2009 Network Products Guide Hot Companies FreeBSD SpamAssassin Ports maintainer Envelope-to: j...@redux.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:03:02 + Received: from secure.pepperfish.net [87.237.62.181] by linda.intranet with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.9-rc2) for jbera...@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:03:39 + (GMT) Received: from hermes.apache.org ([140.211.11.2] helo=mail.apache.org) by flounder.pepperfish.net with smtp (Exim 4.68 #1 (Debian)) id 1LZm4r-0008QW-N4 for j...@redux.org.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:03:02 + Received: (qmail 30071 invoked by uid 500); 18 Feb 2009 13:02:52 - _ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
On 18.02.09 02:04, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list, in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822. So I sent an email to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org and _that_ bounced. It seems that the registered owner of the list, msquad...@gmx.net, is also an unknown user. I would expect that a list devoted to making the Internet mail system run to everyone's benefit rather than to everyone's detriment would be operated in a more professional manner! Is anyone minding the store I was receiving similar messages until I blocked their source (and sent postmaster a nice mail). They were related to SPF. I'm rejecting much mail at smtp level so I can't confim if I there were such attempts unless you'll tell me who's sending it... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Enter any 12-digit prime number to continue.
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
On 18.02.09 02:04, Lindsay Haisley wrote: I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list, in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822. On 18.02.09 14:14, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I was receiving similar messages until I blocked their source (and sent postmaster a nice mail). They were related to SPF. I'm rejecting much mail at smtp level so I can't confim if I there were such attempts unless you'll tell me who's sending it... haha now I got it too. Luckily it's listed in PYZOR and DCC, i submitted it to RAZOR too although more ppl must apparently do that yet. it hits BAYES_99 now and has DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX so it should score over 10 and be rejected here. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Windows found: (R)emove, (E)rase, (D)elete
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:14 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I would expect that a list devoted to making the Internet mail system run to everyone's benefit rather than to everyone's detriment would be operated in a more professional manner! Is anyone minding the store Michael, it's American slang for isn't there someone here responsible for keeping things in order?. Sorry if it didn't communicate. It's understandable to have lusers on a list (I admin several so I do know) and even understandable, although regrettable, that there are MTAs and MTA admins out there who don't understand RFCs 822 and 2822, what got under my skin was writing to the list owner of this list and having _that_ bounce. Oh well I was receiving similar messages until I blocked their source (and sent postmaster a nice mail). They were related to SPF. I'm rejecting much mail at smtp level so I can't confim if I there were such attempts unless you'll tell me who's sending it... The problem address on the list is j...@redux.org.uk. The From header on the bounces is mailer-dae...@linda.intranet which is obviously bogus, likewise violating RFCs. The envelope sender on the bounces is , which is correct. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works|Accredited FMP Computer Services | if you let it | by the 512-259-1190 |(The Roadie) | Austin Better http://www.fmp.com| | Business Bureau
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 02:04 -0600, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
I've been getting bounce messages _to me_ from an address on the list,
in response to my posts, and apparently in violation of RFC 2822.
Yup, everyone posting to the list gets them...
So I sent an email to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org and _that_
bounced. It seems that the registered owner of the list,
msquad...@gmx.net, is also an unknown user.
How do you tell no one is in control? That is *one* in-operational
address. I'd expect the list-owner address to be monitored by more than
a single person.
GMX. *sigh* They don't like forwarding too much mail to their free
accounts. That forwarding just needs to be disabled.
I would expect that a list devoted to making the Internet mail system
run to everyone's benefit rather than to everyone's detriment would be
operated in a more professional manner!
Jumping to conclusions, aren't we?
Is anyone minding the store
In my experience so far -- Yes. Let's wait and see.
[...], please contact my owner at [...]. Please be patient, my owner
is a lot slower than I am ;-)
--
char *t=\10pse\0r\0dtu...@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4;
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;il;i++){ i%8? c=1:
(c=*++x); c128 (s+=h); if (!(h=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 02:04 -0600, Lindsay Haisley wrote: So I sent an email to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org and _that_ bounced. It seems that the registered owner of the list, msquad...@gmx.net, is also an unknown user. On 18.02.09 18:03, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: How do you tell no one is in control? That is *one* in-operational address. I'd expect the list-owner address to be monitored by more than a single person. That is just expectation. Imho, if sending mail results to any error(bounce) without indication that mail has been delivered to other user/address , we may safely assume there is a problem and behave like that. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Christian Science Programming: Let God Debug It!.
Re: Is anyone minding the store ????
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 18:09 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
On 18.02.09 18:03, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
How do you tell no one is in control? That is *one* in-operational
address. I'd expect the list-owner address to be monitored by more than
a single person.
That is just expectation. Imho, if sending mail results to any error(bounce)
without indication that mail has been delivered to other user/address , we
may safely assume there is a problem and behave like that.
*nod* The infrastructure team reading this list is just expectation,
too, though.
Not sure about this particular detail, but generally there's an ASF
infrastructure team -- the projects don't do all that administrative
work on their own, and there is no strict per-project infrastructure.
--
char *t=\10pse\0r\0dtu...@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4;
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;il;i++){ i%8? c=1:
(c=*++x); c128 (s+=h); if (!(h=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
