Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread John Hardin

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Rejaine Monteiro wrote:


There is anyway to bypass  a spam  when  SPF check results result is
equal to 'SPF_PASS'?


The appropriate place to do things like that is in the glue layer.

It's not a good idea to whitelist on just SPF Pass. What is to prevent a 
spammer from publishing valid SPF records for their sources and thus 
whitelisting themselves to you?


Whitelisting on SPF Pass + specific trusted domains is reasonable, and 
the place to do that is in your MTA.


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Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread Benny Pedersen

On tor 22 apr 2010 15:09:32 CEST, Rejaine Monteiro wrote

There is anyway to bypass  a spam  when  SPF check results result is
equal to 'SPF_PASS'?


yes, but that rule will be silly

spammers can also just add a spf with ipv4:0.0.0.0/0 -all in it, so  
atleast dont make spf pass stop just there


remember +all is also valid !

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Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread Rejaine Monteiro
 Sorry if I was not very clear (my english is a little poor)
in fact, I wanted to decrease the score obtained if SPF return OK

John Hardin escreveu:
 On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Rejaine Monteiro wrote:
 The appropriate place to do things like that is in the glue layer.

 It's not a good idea to whitelist on just SPF Pass. What is to prevent
 a spammer from publishing valid SPF records for their sources and thus
 whitelisting themselves to you?

 Whitelisting on SPF Pass + specific trusted domains is reasonable, and
 the place to do that is in your MTA.



Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread Benny Pedersen

On tor 22 apr 2010 15:20:47 CEST, John Hardin wrote
It's not a good idea to whitelist on just SPF Pass. What is to  
prevent a spammer from publishing valid SPF records for their  
sources and thus whitelisting themselves to you?


yep thats the problem, here i use def_whitelist_from_spf to grey  
domains, and if end users whitelist let them do with whitelist_from_spf


at the same time i dont allow to have *...@domain.tld for anything that  
have not def_ in fron of the whitelist


Whitelisting on SPF Pass + specific trusted domains is reasonable,  
and the place to do that is in your MTA.


i reject softfail in mta :)

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Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread Benny Pedersen

On tor 22 apr 2010 15:24:02 CEST, Rejaine Monteiro wrote


Sorry if I was not very clear (my english is a little poor)
in fact, I wanted to decrease the score obtained if SPF return OK


perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf
perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::SPF

read them, search for whitelist

and do test with

spamassassin 21 -D -t hammsg | less

make sure you dont just give -100 for a possible spam msg :(


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Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread Rejaine Monteiro

Benny Pedersen escreveu:

 perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf
 perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::SPF

 read them, search for whitelist   and do test with  spamassassin 21
 -D -t hammsg | less //
ok, thanks for the tip!..

 make sure you dont just give -100 for a possible spam msg :(

hohoho.. off course not ;o)



Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread Bowie Bailey
Rejaine Monteiro wrote:
  Sorry if I was not very clear (my english is a little poor)
 in fact, I wanted to decrease the score obtained if SPF return OK

Probably not a good idea.  The last set of stats that I saw indicated
that SPF_PASS was more likely to occur in spam than in ham.  This is why
it does not already have a negative score in SA.

-- 
Bowie


Re: bypass spam check if SPF is OK

2010-04-22 Thread John Hardin

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Rejaine Monteiro wrote:


Sorry if I was not very clear (my english is a little poor)
in fact, I wanted to decrease the score obtained if SPF return OK


My point is still valid, you don't want to reduce the score on _just_ SPF 
Pass.


Take a look at whitelist_auth.


John Hardin escreveu:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Rejaine Monteiro wrote:

It's not a good idea to whitelist on just SPF Pass. What is to prevent
a spammer from publishing valid SPF records for their sources and thus
whitelisting themselves to you?

Whitelisting on SPF Pass + specific trusted domains is reasonable, and
the place to do that is in your MTA.


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