RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?
Thanks for the update! Although I am not really an advocate for blocking people. -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: What can one do abut outlook.com? On 26/10/20 5:17 am, Marc Roos wrote: >> make a reality check outside your small bubble! > typical low iq response. I was already discussing the validity of > these soccerplayer contracts before they had to change the system. > Afternoon Marc. Just thought I'd let you know this same person was blocked from CentOS mailing list a while back due to trolling. I'm not sure the chemicals deep in his noggin work as they are supposed to. On the CentOS mailing list, we stopped feeding the troll and I, specifically, made sure that I'd never again see an email from his likes. I wonder if the SpamAssassin admins could just as well stop feeding the troll here as well. By stop I mean block it at the entrance. Not knowing how many sunrises and sunsets the troll has seen, I'd want to hope that it's seen enough to warrant an expedient expiry - but I can only wish. In the meantime, enjoy the comedy that it is.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 18:29:48 +1100 AK wrote: > On 26/10/20 5:17 am, Marc Roos wrote: > >> make a reality check outside your small bubble! > > typical low iq response. I was already discussing the validity of > > these soccerplayer contracts before they had to change the system. > Just thought I'd let you know this same person was blocked from > CentOS mailing list a while back due to trolling. I'm not sure the > chemicals deep in his noggin work as they are supposed to. On the > CentOS mailing list, we stopped feeding the troll and I, > specifically, made sure that I'd never again see an email from his > likes. I wonder if the SpamAssassin admins could just as well stop > feeding the troll here as well. AFAIK they did that years ago, I don't receive anything through the list. However on this one I agree with him (assuming he's objecting to blocking Outlook). And unlike most people on this list he has end-users who are paying for email and can vote with their feet if he cuts corners. Anyone who filters their own email can do what they like, but if an admin blocked my mail from outlook, I'd assume some combination of laziness and incompetence was behind it.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On 26/10/20 5:17 am, Marc Roos wrote: make a reality check outside your small bubble! typical low iq response. I was already discussing the validity of these soccerplayer contracts before they had to change the system. Afternoon Marc. Just thought I'd let you know this same person was blocked from CentOS mailing list a while back due to trolling. I'm not sure the chemicals deep in his noggin work as they are supposed to. On the CentOS mailing list, we stopped feeding the troll and I, specifically, made sure that I'd never again see an email from his likes. I wonder if the SpamAssassin admins could just as well stop feeding the troll here as well. By stop I mean block it at the entrance. Not knowing how many sunrises and sunsets the troll has seen, I'd want to hope that it's seen enough to warrant an expedient expiry - but I can only wish. In the meantime, enjoy the comedy that it is.
RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?
>> That is why it is important to read and use the brain, otherwise you >> wander of the subject. >waht do *you* know about brain when you don't realize that it's simply >not doable to fight against spam by fight against large providers as >outlook.com? Because I understand eg there is a difference between theoretical, practical and maybe even legal point of view. >overall there amount of bad clients is *low* compared to the total >number of clients How is that % relevant. I only care that I receive spam, and I have to put effort/work/time into resolving it. >if all the customers of outlook.com would be served by clueless idiots >like yours which means spread over thousands of clueless providers the >outcome would be much worse I am not so sure about this. Email services are more easier to set up, thus come quite equal to bigger providers. Smaller providers have better/more contact with their clients. Can instruct eg clients not to use the network for newsletters. Smaller provider have more system administrators per 1000 clients than bigger companies, thus more hours to spend on support/abuse etc. Smaller providers are easier to blanket block, so they are forced to maintain higher quality of service. Failing to see this, has the same origin as you fail to detect intelligence. > you can block what you want on yur home-pet-server but you really don't > understand how legit business works You do not get the bigger picture, you basically are doing the work the bigger providers should do or pay you to do. In this regards, the Net neutrality discussion is very similar. >proven by your bullshit of "are you guys paid by them" while the truth >is that my and other customers of whatever mailservice want their >fucking *legit mail* received and not trhown out with the bathwater The use of dnsbl to reject mail is ages old. I did not invent this. The process is very simple. You receive spam from an ip, you eventually block the ip from delivering mail. How can it be your fault, if that provider is trying to send legitimate mail via that blocked ip? It is this providers fault. They have countless options to mitigate this situation, but they are just to lazy to do this. One for instance would be to put free new accounts on a different outgoing ip range than long time high paying customers. Seperate newsletters from regular outgoing mail, etc. > not everybody who is in the business for decades is a supporter of big > ISP's, the opposite is true, otherwise we just would use them at our own If you are long in business, you have experience, and one is likely to have such a point of view. > the point is: everybody but you has to deal with the real world > if it's just me microsoft, amazon and guess what can die tomorrow and i > couldn't care less, but as long as they exist and as long they are used >by millions of legit customers it is what it is Indeed and that is why this is a problem.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
Il 26 ottobre 2020 20:09:52 CET, Benny Pedersen ha scritto: >Giovanni Bechis skrev den 2020-10-26 09:05: > >>> amavisd have penpal, if that is possible to track with TxRep ? >> maybe something is doable by reading _TXREPEMAILCOUNT_ tag. > >with 3.4.4 it does not work, so is it trunk ? TxRep tags are broken on 3.4.4, they have been fixed in trunk and 3.4 tree (available when 3.4.5 will be released). Giovanni
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Giovanni Bechis skrev den 2020-10-26 09:05: amavisd have penpal, if that is possible to track with TxRep ? maybe something is doable by reading _TXREPEMAILCOUNT_ tag. with 3.4.4 it does not work, so is it trunk ?
RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?
That is why it is important to read and use the brain, otherwise you wander of the subject. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 4:48 PM To: John Wilcock Cc: users Subject: Re: What can one do abut outlook.com? Lets remember youre arguing with someone who clearly doesnt run any sort of commercial email system because no sane person selling boxes can simply block outlook... On Oct 26, 2020, at 5:44 AM, John Wilcock wrote: The problem with your analogy is that you are not just interacting with one unwelcome neighbour with a defective washing machine, but with dozens of neighbours whose washing machines work perfectly but who happen to share the same plumber as the unwelcome one. And in many cases these people aren't just your neighbours but potential clients of yours. If you refuse to deal with them on the basis that they use that plumber, you're the one who will lose business. I'm not sure the analogy works all that well, but hopefully you get my point. Outlook.com, Google and Amazon all have millions of legitimate customers from whom you might receive genuine email, and if you block them because of their (relatively few) unwelcome customers, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. -- John On 2020-10-25 18:48, Marc Roos wrote: Are you guys working for Google or Amazon or so? Maybe I should give something simple analogy so you understand. If your neighbours washing machine breaks down, and causes you water damage. They have to pay for cleaning up de mess they created in your apartment. If the neighbour spills oil on your parkway, they have to clean it up. Your reasoning resembles: - the neighbour does have to use their washing machine every time, so I will just clean up their mess every time. - it is only once of every 3 times the neighbour uses his washing machine, he floods my apartment, so that is ok. - the neighbour has kids, they cannot be held responsible for dad to flood my apartment every week. So I will not ask the landlord to evict them. I will just clean up their mess every week year after year. - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will teach him this week how to use the washing machine. - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will replace my wooden floor for some plastic foil.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
Let’s remember you’re arguing with someone who clearly doesn’t run any sort of commercial email system because no sane person selling boxes can simply block outlook... > On Oct 26, 2020, at 5:44 AM, John Wilcock wrote: > > The problem with your analogy is that you are not just interacting with one > unwelcome neighbour with a defective washing machine, but with dozens of > neighbours whose washing machines work perfectly but who happen to share the > same plumber as the unwelcome one. And in many cases these people aren't just > your neighbours but potential clients of yours. If you refuse to deal with > them on the basis that they use that plumber, you're the one who will lose > business. > > I'm not sure the analogy works all that well, but hopefully you get my point. > Outlook.com, Google and Amazon all have millions of legitimate customers from > whom you might receive genuine email, and if you block them because of their > (relatively few) unwelcome customers, you're throwing the baby out with the > bathwater. > > -- > John > > > On 2020-10-25 18:48, Marc Roos wrote: > >> >> Are you guys working for Google or Amazon or so? Maybe I should give >> something simple analogy so you understand. >> >> If your neighbours washing machine breaks down, and causes you water >> damage. They have to pay for cleaning up de mess they created in your >> apartment. If the neighbour spills oil on your parkway, they have to >> clean it up. >> >> >> Your reasoning resembles: >> >> - the neighbour does have to use their washing machine every time, so I >> will just clean up their mess every time. >> - it is only once of every 3 times the neighbour uses his washing >> machine, he floods my apartment, so that is ok. >> - the neighbour has kids, they cannot be held responsible for dad to >> flood my apartment every week. So I will not ask the landlord to evict >> them. I will just clean up their mess every week year after year. >> - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will teach him >> this week how to use the washing machine. >> - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will replace >> my wooden floor for some plastic foil. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?
> The problem with your analogy is that you are not just interacting with one unwelcome neighbour with a defective washing machine, > but with dozens of neighbours whose washing machines work perfectly but who happen to share the same plumber as the unwelcome one. I think you prove yourself to be wrong, because later you just write Google, Outlook and Amazon and not company A, company B, company XX. Everyone is in the same appartment. > And in many cases these people aren't just your neighbours but potential clients of yours. If you refuse to deal > with them on the basis that they use that plumber, you're the one who will lose business. That is beside the point. But I agree, it does complicate executing this point of view. That is why I think that big companies are not good in general. >I'm not sure the analogy works all that well, but hopefully you get my point. > Outlook.com, Google and Amazon all have millions > of legitimate customers from whom you might receive genuine email, and if you block them because of their (relatively few) > unwelcome customers, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. To me it is very simple. An ip address gets blocked when it sends out spam/phising/abuse etc. I assume you have also been using dns blacklists to reject email. This has been a very old practice. If google sends messages from a legitimate client via the same ip, as that of a spammer. That is googles responsibility, so this legitimate clients should complain to google. If google supplies me with software, that will block spam from such an ip and let through legitimate email from the same ip (or pays someone to sit in my office to do it for them). I will be the first to use it.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
The problem with your analogy is that you are not just interacting with one unwelcome neighbour with a defective washing machine, but with dozens of neighbours whose washing machines work perfectly but who happen to share the same plumber as the unwelcome one. And in many cases these people aren't just your neighbours but potential clients of yours. If you refuse to deal with them on the basis that they use that plumber, you're the one who will lose business. I'm not sure the analogy works all that well, but hopefully you get my point. Outlook.com, Google and Amazon all have millions of legitimate customers from whom you might receive genuine email, and if you block them because of their (relatively few) unwelcome customers, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. -- John On 2020-10-25 18:48, Marc Roos wrote: Are you guys working for Google or Amazon or so? Maybe I should give something simple analogy so you understand. If your neighbours washing machine breaks down, and causes you water damage. They have to pay for cleaning up de mess they created in your apartment. If the neighbour spills oil on your parkway, they have to clean it up. Your reasoning resembles: - the neighbour does have to use their washing machine every time, so I will just clean up their mess every time. - it is only once of every 3 times the neighbour uses his washing machine, he floods my apartment, so that is ok. - the neighbour has kids, they cannot be held responsible for dad to flood my apartment every week. So I will not ask the landlord to evict them. I will just clean up their mess every week year after year. - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will teach him this week how to use the washing machine. - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will replace my wooden floor for some plastic foil.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On 10/25/20 7:12 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Bob Proulx skrev den 2020-10-25 19:08: > >>> I also have a tool for weeding undesirables from the correspondent list >>> because spamming addresses can creep onto the list, but its very >>> infrequently needed. >> >> It is a clever idea! I might add something similar to my own setup. :-) > > amavisd have penpal, if that is possible to track with TxRep ? > maybe something is doable by reading _TXREPEMAILCOUNT_ tag. Giovanni
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On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 12:08 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Martin Gregorie wrote: > > I use this to send a copy of all outbound mail to a local mailbox. > > Then periodically a cronjob scans and erases the mailbox content, > > adding the To: address(es) to a list of correspondents. IME this is > > safe because its quite unlikely that you'll ever need to blacklist > > anybody you've sent mail to. > > Oh I wish that were true in general! I have one user that I help with > email things and they like to respond to spammers. They shout, they > rant, they rave. I guess it is a catharsis for them and they feel > better afterward. I have not been able to convince them that this is > a worthless thing to do in the best cases and a bad thing to do in the > worse cases. > I didn't say it works in all cases! In my case it works just as I hoped it would, but of course those with different mailstream content may not find it so good. If I was you I'd quietly point out to those you help that their rants only amuse spammers if they take any notice at all, but sending them to you as well pisses you off mightily since you can't do anything about said spammers, so if they want help from you in future they'd better stop copying yo in on their rants. It would also be fairly easy to modify the auto-whitelister code to auto-remove a spamming correspondent from the list. Or, being slightly more friendly, datestamp the correspondent entry when a message from them is spam. This would let your SA module: a) avoid whitelisting them for, say, the next month after their last spam. b) or rather less friendly, send them a message each time you receive spam from them saying you're ignoring the message because it was spam. > It is a clever idea! I might add something similar to my own setup. > :-) > I'm pleased you like it. Martin
RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?
> make a reality check outside your small bubble! typical low iq response. I was already discussing the validity of these soccerplayer contracts before they had to change the system. > when you have millions of customers you can do whatever you want all day long and you are > simply not able to remove every spammer or suspend every hacked account in realtime No not at all. No free accounts, and every mail account costs 10 us$ per month. I will bet you that the outgoing spam is being reduced by more than 50%. I do not care if Googles profits drop by XX%. Why do you? > and no you can't do that fully automated because filtering of authenticated mail submission is way harder > becasue there are no received-headers and you can't apply any useful DNSBL because your customers are on > dial-up networks by definition Make spamming exensive, not free. > i love it how poor idiots with their "me-and-my-family" setup belive the world is that simple - if it would be that simple > spam won't exist at all for years I assume your education did not include logics.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
Bob Proulx skrev den 2020-10-25 19:08: I also have a tool for weeding undesirables from the correspondent list because spamming addresses can creep onto the list, but its very infrequently needed. It is a clever idea! I might add something similar to my own setup. :-) amavisd have penpal, if that is possible to track with TxRep ? should spamassassin have seperate inbound and outbound tracking of senders and recipient, does it scale ?, or is it only possible in glue milters ?, open for debate
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Martin Gregorie wrote: > Its easy enough to create a list all desirable correspondents, at least > if your MTA has the equivalent of Postfix's 'always_bcc' directive. > > I use this to send a copy of all outbound mail to a local mailbox. Then > periodically a cronjob scans and erases the mailbox content, adding the > To: address(es) to a list of correspondents. IME this is safe because > its quite unlikely that you'll ever need to blacklist anybody you've > sent mail to. Oh I wish that were true in general! I have one user that I help with email things and they like to respond to spammers. They shout, they rant, they rave. I guess it is a catharsis for them and they feel better afterward. I have not been able to convince them that this is a worthless thing to do in the best cases and a bad thing to do in the worse cases. > In my case I keep the correspondents list in a database. I use a custom > Perl SA module to access the database and a CORRESPONDENTS_LIST rule to > trigger it and add negative points to incoming mail email with a > matching From: address. > > I also have a tool for weeding undesirables from the correspondent list > because spamming addresses can creep onto the list, but its very > infrequently needed. It is a clever idea! I might add something similar to my own setup. :-) Bob
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
John Hardin skrev den 2020-10-25 01:46: On Sat, 24 Oct 2020, Benny Pedersen wrote: John skrev den 2020-10-24 21:30: A regular source of spam is outlook.com; is spamassassin say is not spam ? in that case: blacklist_from *@outlook.com ...and then whitelist specific desireable-correspondent outlook.com addresses. or change scores for USER_IN_BLACKLIST to 5.0 i just try to keep it simple
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 24.10.20 22:19, Juerg Reimann wrote: This is what I did, it works a 100% :). outlook.com REJECT Too much spam from outlook.com, please use another email service. OTOH, outlook.com responds mail sent to abuse@ address, assuring you it has been dealt with, while gmail does not. of course, I can't be sure if they really dealt with it (nor if gmail didn't). For a data point on gmail/google: I get quite a lot of 419 scam emails, many with @gmail.com contact addresses. I report all of them. One specific gmail contact address I have been seeing in 419 spams and reporting to ab...@google.com (they discontinued ab...@gmail.com) since June (5 months now). I would assume that if the contact mailbox account had indeed been locked by google, then the spammers would stop using it in their pitches - there would be no way for them to reel in victims via that contact address. The fact that after five months of reporting that contact address they are still using it to lure victims strongly suggests to me that google is ignoring such reports. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.org pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- "Bother," said Pooh as he struggled with /etc/sendmail.cf, "it never does quite what I want. I wish Christopher Robin was here." -- Peter da Silva in a.s.r --- 7 days until Daylight Saving Time ends in U.S. - Fall Back
RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?
Are you guys working for Google or Amazon or so? Maybe I should give something simple analogy so you understand. If your neighbours washing machine breaks down, and causes you water damage. They have to pay for cleaning up de mess they created in your apartment. If the neighbour spills oil on your parkway, they have to clean it up. Your reasoning resembles: - the neighbour does have to use their washing machine every time, so I will just clean up their mess every time. - it is only once of every 3 times the neighbour uses his washing machine, he floods my apartment, so that is ok. - the neighbour has kids, they cannot be held responsible for dad to flood my apartment every week. So I will not ask the landlord to evict them. I will just clean up their mess every week year after year. - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will teach him this week how to use the washing machine. - the neighbour floods my apartment every week, I think I will replace my wooden floor for some plastic foil.
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On Sunday 25 October 2020 at 17:05:26, Marc Roos wrote: > Google, Amazon and Microsoft have billions of cash. It is indeed a > wonder how they are not spending it on outgoing mail detection. Why do they need to? Customers use their services anyway, and are either: a) spammers, in which case they're happy that the above does not happen, or b) non-spammers, in which case they don't really care whether their outbound email is filtered, so long as it gets delivered. In the (b) case, if there *were* filtering, any false positives (ie: legitimate emails which got blocked) would harm the provider's reputation and customer satisfaction. Also in the (b) case, anyone who blocks email from the provider is "obviously" causing the problem themselves, and therefore doing themselves harm. > Nobody was saying so. Best is to block just the ip addresses that your > receive spam from. How does that help? Those providers don't set up different IP addresses for email from different customers. Everyone's email (spammers and non-spammers) gets processed by the entire farm of outbound MTAs. > if their ip addresses a randomly blocked by many other providers. All their > queues will start using more resources bouncing around mails, I doubt that is much of a concern for these size organisations. > having to explain to their clients why sometimes a mail is send and > sometimes rejected, Ha. I don't think their support staff extend to that level of assistance. > costs increase, thus more incentive to kick out spammers or spend more > on prevention. No. Email is a cheap service to provide alongside all the other services they're charging their customers the real money for, > > If you block something, you have to ask yourself: How many innocent, > > unsuspecting legitimate senders > > Who cares, these "unsuspecting legitimate senders" should take their > business somewhere else. I suspect you don't have any of them as customers. Telling them to change their mail service provider is simply going to tell them to use another organisation instead of yours. If you block their email you clearly don't want to do business with them. > > If you block even one innocent sender as collateral damage, you should > > not block that email provider, regardless how annoying it is. > > What a non-sense. This is how spammers currently work, mix legitimate > mail with spam. Just block ip's, it is not your fault they are sending > you spam. Nobody can blame you, if you do not want to do the work that > Amazon, Google and Microsoft should be doing. Blocking IPs cannot work in a commercial environment (by which I mean, you want to receive emails from legitimate enquireres for your commercial services, or from existing customers). Antony. -- Atheism is a non-prophet-making organisation. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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If you block something, you have to ask yourself: How many innocent, unsuspecting legitimate senders Who cares, these "unsuspecting legitimate senders" should take their business somewhere else. This is extremist. You are confusing offenders with victims. Fight offenders, not victims. Every single rule in the default SpamAssassin ruleset is targeted against offenders, not against victims. I propose you keep it that way. If you start to block everything that once sent spam, you end up blocking half of the internet. You have to accept this is an ongoing war against spammers, and every time you add a new rule to detect spam content, the spammers adapt and invent new ways to circumvent. You cannot go further than dnsbl with their automated and temporary blocks - if you start to block manually mail providers as some answer suggested, this is usually a permanent block and from then on a permanent nuisance for own customers who expect mail from outlook.com users and a permanent nuisance for remote customers who chose outlook.com as provider. A nuisance that is more severe than some undetected spam mail. You forgot: spam detection by content still works. Outlook.com is not on some whitelist.
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> all huge mail providers with thousands/millions of customers, so there > is no wonder there is spam included. Google, Amazon and Microsoft have billions of cash. It is indeed a wonder how they are not spending it on outgoing mail detection. > mail services to a mono-culture of single huge providers, but you cannot > block them just for being huge providers. Nobody was saying so. Best is to block just the ip addresses that your receive spam from. Their network will reroute emails. But if their ip addresses a randomly blocked by many other providers. All their queues will start using more resources bouncing around mails, having to explain to their clients why sometimes a mail is send and sometimes rejected, costs increase, thus more incentive to kick out spammers or spend more on prevention. > If you block something, you have to ask yourself: How many innocent, > unsuspecting legitimate senders Who cares, these "unsuspecting legitimate senders" should take their business somewhere else. > I'm blocking as well as the spammers? If > you block even one innocent sender as collateral damage, you should not > block that email provider, regardless how annoying it is. What a non-sense. This is how spammers currently work, mix legitimate mail with spam. Just block ip's, it is not your fault they are sending you spam. Nobody can blame you, if you do not want to do the work that Amazon, Google and Microsoft should be doing.
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A regular source of spam is outlook.com; or at least that is the domain that delivered the junk to my domain. Outlook.com is a legitimate email provider and not known for ignoring reports. If you block outlook.com, you have to block google.com for the same reason. And everything sent through amazon web services. These are all huge mail providers with thousands/millions of customers, so there is no wonder there is spam included. For me, the regular SpamAssassin rules detect and classify spam sent through outlook.com very good, so there it's no use of completely blocking major mail providers. All this is the result of concentrating mail services to a mono-culture of single huge providers, but you cannot block them just for being huge providers. If you block something, you have to ask yourself: How many innocent, unsuspecting legitimate senders I'm blocking as well as the spammers? If you block even one innocent sender as collateral damage, you should not block that email provider, regardless how annoying it is. Instead, build custom rules to filter the spam by text content. Alex
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On 24.10.20 22:19, Juerg Reimann wrote: This is what I did, it works a 100% :). outlook.com REJECT Too much spam from outlook.com, please use another email service. OTOH, outlook.com responds mail sent to abuse@ address, assuring you it has been dealt with, while gmail does not. of course, I can't be sure if they really dealt with it (nor if gmail didn't). -Original Message- From: John Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:31 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: What can one do abut outlook.com? A regular source of spam is outlook.com; or at least that is the domain that delivered the junk to my domain. I am tempted to block them but a number of universities with whom I have connections seem to have outsourced mailing to outlook. I complain regularly (daily) but all I ever see as a result is a standard "We got your mail" and pointing me to a web page if I need more help; said page assumes the reader is inside outlook and getting mail from outside. What do people do about them? Do I lie and say I trust them? or should I just continue to block parts of their spam-network? I cannot be the only one with this problem! ==John ffitch -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I intend to live forever - so far so good.
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On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 16:46 -0700, John Hardin wrote: > ...and then whitelist specific desireable-correspondent outlook.com > addresses. > Its easy enough to create a list all desirable correspondents, at least if your MTA has the equivalent of Postfix's 'always_bcc' directive. I use this to send a copy of all outbound mail to a local mailbox. Then periodically a cronjob scans and erases the mailbox content, adding the To: address(es) to a list of correspondents. IME this is safe because its quite unlikely that you'll ever need to blacklist anybody you've sent mail to. In my case I keep the correspondents list in a database. I use a custom Perl SA module to access the database and a CORRESPONDENTS_LIST rule to trigger it and add negative points to incoming mail email with a matching From: address. I also have a tool for weeding undesirables from the correspondent list because spamming addresses can creep onto the list, but its very infrequently needed. Martin
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On Sat, October 24, 2020 16:33, Benny Pedersen wrote: > John skrev den 2020-10-24 21:30: > >> A regular source of spam is outlook.com; >> > > is spamassassin say is not spam ? > > in that case: > > blacklist_from *@outlook.com > > if it contains urls, is this urls unlisted ? > > i see low scooring spams aswell, and i add it to local rules to stop it Spamassassin rules and scores from the Bogofilter bayes classifier works well against the kind of spam that I see from Outlook. I would think that the bayes classifier in Spamassassin would work well also. John Capo
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This is what I did, it works a 100% :). outlook.com REJECT Too much spam from outlook.com, please use another email service. Juerg > -Original Message- > From: John > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:31 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: What can one do abut outlook.com? > > A regular source of spam is outlook.com; or at least that is the > domain that delivered the junk to my domain. I am tempted to block > them but a number of universities with whom I have connections seem to > have outsourced mailing to outlook. I complain regularly (daily) but > all I ever see as a result is a standard "We got your mail" and > pointing me to a web page if I need more help; said page assumes the > reader is inside outlook and getting mail from outside. > > What do people do about them? Do I lie and say I trust them? or > should I just continue to block parts of their spam-network? I cannot > be the only one with this problem! > > ==John ffitch
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020, Benny Pedersen wrote: John skrev den 2020-10-24 21:30: A regular source of spam is outlook.com; is spamassassin say is not spam ? in that case: blacklist_from *@outlook.com ...and then whitelist specific desireable-correspondent outlook.com addresses. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.org pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- Campuses today are a theatrical mashup of 1984 and Lord of the Flies, performed by people who don't understand these references. -- David Burge --- 10 days until the Presidential Election
Re: What can one do abut outlook.com?
John skrev den 2020-10-24 21:30: A regular source of spam is outlook.com; is spamassassin say is not spam ? in that case: blacklist_from *@outlook.com if it contains urls, is this urls unlisted ? i see low scooring spams aswell, and i add it to local rules to stop it
What can one do abut outlook.com?
A regular source of spam is outlook.com; or at least that is the domain that delivered the junk to my domain. I am tempted to block them but a number of universities with whom I have connections seem to have outsourced mailing to outlook. I complain regularly (daily) but all I ever see as a result is a standard "We got your mail" and pointing me to a web page if I need more help; said page assumes the reader is inside outlook and getting mail from outside. What do people do about them? Do I lie and say I trust them? or should I just continue to block parts of their spam-network? I cannot be the only one with this problem! ==John ffitch