PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Anil Ambati
Hi,
We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat server 
process on Windows, but we are not able to using RandomAccessFile or 
FileInputStream because the file seems to be locked by the Tomcat process. 



Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing other 
processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or solution for 
this problem? 

Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.


Regards,


Regards,



Anilkumar Ambati
 4205 S Miami Blvd

WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development
 Durham, 27703-9141
Phone:
+1-919-254-6152
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Mobile:
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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread David kerber

On 11/4/2014 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:

Hi,
We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat server
process on Windows, but we are not able to using RandomAccessFile or
FileInputStream because the file seems to be locked by the Tomcat process.


What is the PID file?  The only abbreviation I know by that name is the 
Process ID, which is just a number.







Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing other
processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or solution for
this problem?

Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.


Regards,


Regards,

*Anilkumar Ambati*   4205 S Miami Blvd  
WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development Durham, 27703-9141
Phone:  +1-919-254-6152  USA
Mobile: +1-919-434-5674 
e-mail: aamb...@us.ibm.com  

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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Anil Ambati
I was referring to the .pid file Tomcat server creates in the logs 
directory. This file contains the process ID of the Tomcat process.

Regards,



Anilkumar Ambati
 4205 S Miami Blvd

WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development
 Durham, 27703-9141
Phone:
+1-919-254-6152
 USA
Mobile:
+1-919-434-5674
 

e-mail:
aamb...@us.ibm.com
 

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ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)
 
 




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Date:
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Subject:
Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system



On 11/4/2014 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 Hi,
 We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat server
 process on Windows, but we are not able to using RandomAccessFile or
 FileInputStream because the file seems to be locked by the Tomcat 
process.

What is the PID file?  The only abbreviation I know by that name is the 
Process ID, which is just a number.





 Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing other
 processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or solution for
 this problem?

 Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.


 Regards,


 Regards,
 
 *Anilkumar Ambati*  4205 S Miami Blvd 
 WebSphere Virtual Enterprise DevelopmentDurham, 
27703-9141
 Phone: +1-919-254-6152  USA
 Mobile:+1-919-434-5674 
 e-mail:aamb...@us.ibm.com 
 
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 ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)




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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread David kerber

On 11/4/2014 4:21 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:

I was referring to the .pid file Tomcat server creates in the logs
directory. This file contains the process ID of the Tomcat process.


What version of Tomcat, Windows, and Java are you using?  My 7.0.54 
doesn't seem to create that file anywhere in the file system.





Regards,

*Anilkumar Ambati*   4205 S Miami Blvd  
WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development Durham, 27703-9141
Phone:  +1-919-254-6152  USA
Mobile: +1-919-434-5674 
e-mail: aamb...@us.ibm.com  

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ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)





From:   David kerber dcker...@verizon.net
To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org,
Date:   11/04/2014 03:45 PM
Subject:Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system






On 11/4/2014 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
  Hi,
  We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat server
  process on Windows, but we are not able to using RandomAccessFile or
  FileInputStream because the file seems to be locked by the Tomcat
process.

What is the PID file?  The only abbreviation I know by that name is the
Process ID, which is just a number.



 
 
  Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing other
  processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or solution for
  this problem?
 
  Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
  Regards,
  
  *Anilkumar Ambati*   4205 S Miami Blvd
  WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development   Durham, 27703-9141
  Phone:  +1-919-254-6152 USA
  Mobile:  +1-919-434-5674
  e-mail:  aamb...@us.ibm.com
  
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  ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)
 
 


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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Anil,

On 11/4/14 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat
 server process on Windows, but we are not able to using
 RandomAccessFile or FileInputStream because the file seems to be
 locked by the Tomcat process.
 
 
 Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing
 other processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or
 solution for this problem?

You must be using commons-daemon's procrun, otherwise known as the
Windows service wrapper. That process creates (and possibly locks) the
PID file for Tomcat.

You may find users here who know the answer to your question, but you
might have better luck posting to the commons mailing list to ask there.

I suspect it's something silly like holding-open the PID file instead
of writing to it and then closing it.

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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Anil,

On 11/4/14 5:25 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:
 Anil,
 
 On 11/4/14 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat 
 server process on Windows, but we are not able to using 
 RandomAccessFile or FileInputStream because the file seems to be 
 locked by the Tomcat process.
 
 
 Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing 
 other processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or 
 solution for this problem?
 
 You must be using commons-daemon's procrun, otherwise known as the 
 Windows service wrapper. That process creates (and possibly locks)
 the PID file for Tomcat.
 
 You may find users here who know the answer to your question, but
 you might have better luck posting to the commons mailing list to
 ask there.
 
 I suspect it's something silly like holding-open the PID file
 instead of writing to it and then closing it.

I took a quick look, and it looks like the PID file is being created
with a file option FILE_FLAG_DELETE_ON_CLOSE which causes the OS to
delete the file off the disk when all file handles are closed. So,
closing the file handle will result in the PID file being deleted.

This option was added because the PID file wasn't being removed if the
service crashed, which kept the service from restarting (oops).

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DAEMON-183

It seems like an option to control what happens on startup when the
PID file already exists would be a good idea. You'll have to ask the
procrun folks about what the options are. It seems reasonable to be
able to read the PID file, since not being able to read it makes it
kind of useless other than as a lock-file (i.e. its contents are
irrelevant).

- -chris
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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread David kerber

On 11/4/2014 5:25 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:

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Anil,

On 11/4/14 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:

We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat
server process on Windows, but we are not able to using
RandomAccessFile or FileInputStream because the file seems to be
locked by the Tomcat process.


Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing
other processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or
solution for this problem?


You must be using commons-daemon's procrun, otherwise known as the
Windows service wrapper. That process creates (and possibly locks) the
PID file for Tomcat.


This is only peripherally related to the OP, but is there a situation 
where that file is not created, when using the windows service wrapper? 
 I run a dozen or so instances of TC 7.0.54 as separate services on 
Windows 2008 R2 using the included renamed version of procrun, and don't 
have any pid files anywhere that I can find on my file system.





You may find users here who know the answer to your question, but you
might have better luck posting to the commons mailing list to ask there.

I suspect it's something silly like holding-open the PID file instead
of writing to it and then closing it.

- -chris
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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
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David,

On 11/4/14 5:54 PM, David kerber wrote:
 On 11/4/2014 5:25 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: Anil,
 
 On 11/4/14 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the
 Tomcat server process on Windows, but we are not able to
 using RandomAccessFile or FileInputStream because the file
 seems to be locked by the Tomcat process.
 
 
 Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked,
 preventing other processes to even read the file? Is there a
 work around or solution for this problem?
 
 You must be using commons-daemon's procrun, otherwise known as the 
 Windows service wrapper. That process creates (and possibly locks)
 the PID file for Tomcat.
 
 This is only peripherally related to the OP, but is there a
 situation where that file is not created, when using the windows
 service wrapper? I run a dozen or so instances of TC 7.0.54 as
 separate services on Windows 2008 R2 using the included renamed
 version of procrun, and don't have any pid files anywhere that I
 can find on my file system.

Sure: if you don't specify a --PidFile argument in procrun, you won't
get a PID file.

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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Anil Ambati
7.0.56
To make Tomcat to create a pid file , you need to specify name of the file 
in the Tomcat 7 properties window (To open this window select, Configure 
Tomcat menu option in the Windows Start menu)

Regards,



Anilkumar Ambati
 4205 S Miami Blvd

WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development
 Durham, 27703-9141
Phone:
+1-919-254-6152
 USA
Mobile:
+1-919-434-5674
 

e-mail:
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From:
David kerber dcker...@verizon.net
To:
Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org, 
Date:
11/04/2014 04:37 PM
Subject:
Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system



On 11/4/2014 4:21 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 I was referring to the .pid file Tomcat server creates in the logs
 directory. This file contains the process ID of the Tomcat process.

What version of Tomcat, Windows, and Java are you using?  My 7.0.54 
doesn't seem to create that file anywhere in the file system.



 Regards,
 
 *Anilkumar Ambati*  4205 S Miami Blvd 
 WebSphere Virtual Enterprise DevelopmentDurham, 
27703-9141
 Phone: +1-919-254-6152  USA
 Mobile:+1-919-434-5674 
 e-mail:aamb...@us.ibm.com 
 
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 ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)





 From:  David kerber dcker...@verizon.net
 To:Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org,
 Date:  11/04/2014 03:45 PM
 Subject:   Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system


 



 On 11/4/2014 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
   Hi,
   We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat 
server
   process on Windows, but we are not able to using RandomAccessFile or
   FileInputStream because the file seems to be locked by the Tomcat
 process.

 What is the PID file?  The only abbreviation I know by that name is the
 Process ID, which is just a number.



  
  
   Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing other
   processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or solution 
for
   this problem?
  
   Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
  
  
   Regards,
  
  
   Regards,
   

   *Anilkumar Ambati*   4205 S Miami Blvd
   WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development   Durham, 27703-9141
   Phone:  +1-919-254-6152 USA
   Mobile:  +1-919-434-5674
   e-mail:  aamb...@us.ibm.com
   

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   ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)
  
  


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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Anil Ambati
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the response. How can I ask procrun folks about the options? Is 
there another news group? Sorry , I am new to Tomcat. 


Regards,



Anilkumar Ambati
 4205 S Miami Blvd

WebSphere Virtual Enterprise Development
 Durham, 27703-9141
Phone:
+1-919-254-6152
 USA
Mobile:
+1-919-434-5674
 

e-mail:
aamb...@us.ibm.com
 

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ought to accomplish. -Richard Feynman (1918-1988)
 
 




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Date:
11/04/2014 05:39 PM
Subject:
Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system



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Anil,

On 11/4/14 5:25 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:
 Anil,
 
 On 11/4/14 2:58 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 We have a requirement to read the PID file created by the Tomcat 
 server process on Windows, but we are not able to using 
 RandomAccessFile or FileInputStream because the file seems to be 
 locked by the Tomcat process.
 
 
 Why does the Tomcat server keep the PID file locked, preventing 
 other processes to even read the file? Is there a work around or 
 solution for this problem?
 
 You must be using commons-daemon's procrun, otherwise known as the 
 Windows service wrapper. That process creates (and possibly locks)
 the PID file for Tomcat.
 
 You may find users here who know the answer to your question, but
 you might have better luck posting to the commons mailing list to
 ask there.
 
 I suspect it's something silly like holding-open the PID file
 instead of writing to it and then closing it.

I took a quick look, and it looks like the PID file is being created
with a file option FILE_FLAG_DELETE_ON_CLOSE which causes the OS to
delete the file off the disk when all file handles are closed. So,
closing the file handle will result in the PID file being deleted.

This option was added because the PID file wasn't being removed if the
service crashed, which kept the service from restarting (oops).

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DAEMON-183

It seems like an option to control what happens on startup when the
PID file already exists would be a good idea. You'll have to ask the
procrun folks about what the options are. It seems reasonable to be
able to read the PID file, since not being able to read it makes it
kind of useless other than as a lock-file (i.e. its contents are
irrelevant).

- -chris
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Re: PID file locked on Windows 2008 system

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Anil,

On 11/4/14 6:27 PM, Anil Ambati wrote:
 Thanks for the response. How can I ask procrun folks about the
 options? Is there another news group? Sorry , I am new to Tomcat.

Yes, you'll want to post to the commons users mailing list:
http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-daemon/mail-lists.html

Please be aware that Apache commons is ... crowded. If you post to the
list, please put [daemon] in the subject line to get some attention.
Otherwise, you'll not cut through all the messages about mathematical
solvers, parsers, file compression utilities and all the other things
that have been dumped into commons over the years.

We'd be interested in hearing the result of the discussion, so please
post back here if/when you get an answer and/or resolution.

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