RE: Robots cannot read JSP?

2006-02-11 Thread Tim Lucia
It's not html or JSP nature of things.  You are returning text/html for the
mime type, and a real HTML document.  The problem is the content you return
does not provide the robots any place to go.

Perhaps responding with a redirect (302) will provide them somewhere to go.
You can use meta-refresh, or logic:redirect or if front-ended with apache,
just provide a RedirectMatch ^/$ /unique/index.jsp line...

HTH,
Tim


-Original Message-
From: Scott Purcell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Robots cannot read JSP?


Tim,
Thanks a lot for the info. I got to thinking, and tried invoking curl from
my box on the url, and see exactly what you saw. The js screwing things up.

So I decided to run curl on different pages, and I came to the conclusion
that only htm, or html pages show up via curl?

Does anyone think that the robots are just like curl, and that they can only
read HTML files?

Thanks for all, I know this is a bit off topic ...and I hope I don't hack
anyone off.

Thanks
Scott

-Original Message-
From: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:50 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Access log to see where robots go.

The problem is your home page, not robots.txt. When / is requested - the

following is served back, notice the javascript redirect: (the full file is 
below)


   function invokeWebApp() {
 top.location.href = http://www.theuniquepear.com/unique/index.jsp;;
   }

Search engines do not execute javascript are there are no links on the page 
so search engines have no where to go. (Except someone else's site).

As much as I detest SEO companies, you might find it helpful to search for 
one for some assistance.

html
head
   head
 titleThe Unique Pear | Unique Home Decor  Accessories/title
 meta name=description content=The Unique Pear is an

online b outique specializing in home decor  
accessories. Products include clocks, candl es, wall

decor, garden, lighting, bath and more.
 meta name=keywords content=The Unique Pear Timework clocks, lamps, 
lamp  shades, candles, aroma, aroma difuser, wall
decor, 
wall scounces, wrought iron,  pitchers, bookstands,
jaqua 
bath products, candleholders
 meta name=description content=
meta name=keywords content=
  /head
body bgcolor=#FF

script language = javascript
   //!--
   function invokeWebApp() {
 top.location.href = http://www.theuniquepear.com/unique/index.jsp;;
   }
   invokeWebApp();
   // --
/script

hello
/body
/html

-Tim

Scott Purcell wrote:
 I have had trouble getting search engines to see my site. I built it
with struts, and use some tags from the index.html page to get business
logic, to finally get to my page. The url is http://www.theuniquepear.com
 
 Anyway, upon talking to some co-workers, they suggested I watch my
access log, so I can see what files they are indexing. I thought I had the
access log turned on for the site, and see when someone hits my web site,
but as far as the searchbots go, I only see this in my logs daily.
 
 $ cat  localhost_access_log.2006-02-07.txt | less
 67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:44:55 -0600] GET /robots.txt
HTTP/1.0 404 985
 67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:46:21 -0600] GET / HTTP/1.0 200 844 
 67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:51:57 -0600] GET /robots.txt
HTTP/1.0 404 985
 62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:42 -0600] GET
/unique/welcome.do?OVRAW=home%20decorating%20ideasOVKEY=home
 62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:44 -0600] GET
/unique/includes/siteWide.css HTTP/1.1 200 15402
 62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:44 -0600] GET
/unique/images/header_pear.jpg HTTP/1.1 200 11227
 
 
 I see the entry for robots.txt, but I have no idea where they are
going, or what they are doing.
 
 I turned on access log like this in the server.xml like so:
 Valve className=org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve
  directory=logs  prefix=localhost_access_log.
suffix=.txt
  pattern=common resolveHosts=false/
 
 And that is a snippet of the log from above.


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Re: Robots cannot read JSP?

2006-02-11 Thread David Smith
I doubt the problem is with curl not being able to read files other than 
.htm or .html. The problem is only browsers execute javascript. Think of 
curl or the search engines as a browser without javascript enabled.  
What would you get in IE or Firefox if you disabled javascript? 



-- David

Scott Purcell wrote:

Tim,
Thanks a lot for the info. I got to thinking, and tried invoking curl
from my box on the url, and see exactly what you saw. The js screwing
things up.

So I decided to run curl on different pages, and I came to the
conclusion that only htm, or html pages show up via curl?

Does anyone think that the robots are just like curl, and that they can
only read HTML files?

Thanks for all, I know this is a bit off topic ...and I hope I don't
hack anyone off.

Thanks
Scott

-Original Message-
From: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:50 PM

To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Access log to see where robots go.

The problem is your home page, not robots.txt. When / is requested - the

following is served back, notice the javascript redirect: (the full file
is 
below)



   function invokeWebApp() {
 top.location.href =
http://www.theuniquepear.com/unique/index.jsp;;
   }

Search engines do not execute javascript are there are no links on the
page 
so search engines have no where to go. (Except someone else's site).


As much as I detest SEO companies, you might find it helpful to search
for 
one for some assistance.


html
head
   head
 titleThe Unique Pear | Unique Home Decor  Accessories/title
 meta name=description content=The Unique Pear is an

online b outique specializing in home decor  
accessories. Products include clocks, candl es, wall


decor, garden, lighting, bath and more.
 meta name=keywords content=The Unique Pear Timework clocks,
lamps, 
lamp  shades, candles, aroma, aroma difuser, wall
decor, 
wall scounces, wrought iron,  pitchers, bookstands,
jaqua 
bath products, candleholders

 meta name=description content=
meta name=keywords content=
  /head
body bgcolor=#FF

script language = javascript
   //!--
   function invokeWebApp() {
 top.location.href =
http://www.theuniquepear.com/unique/index.jsp;;
   }
   invokeWebApp();
   // --
/script

hello
/body
/html

-Tim

Scott Purcell wrote:
  

I have had trouble getting search engines to see my site. I built it


with struts, and use some tags from the index.html page to get business
logic, to finally get to my page. The url is
http://www.theuniquepear.com
  

Anyway, upon talking to some co-workers, they suggested I watch my


access log, so I can see what files they are indexing. I thought I had
the access log turned on for the site, and see when someone hits my web
site, but as far as the searchbots go, I only see this in my logs daily.
  

$ cat  localhost_access_log.2006-02-07.txt | less
67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:44:55 -0600] GET /robots.txt


HTTP/1.0 404 985
  

67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:46:21 -0600] GET / HTTP/1.0 200 844
67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:51:57 -0600] GET /robots.txt


HTTP/1.0 404 985
  

62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:42 -0600] GET


/unique/welcome.do?OVRAW=home%20decorating%20ideasOVKEY=home
  

62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:44 -0600] GET


/unique/includes/siteWide.css HTTP/1.1 200 15402
  

62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:44 -0600] GET


/unique/images/header_pear.jpg HTTP/1.1 200 11227
  

I see the entry for robots.txt, but I have no idea where they are


going, or what they are doing.
  

I turned on access log like this in the server.xml like so:
Valve className=org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve
 directory=logs  prefix=localhost_access_log.


suffix=.txt
  

 pattern=common resolveHosts=false/

And that is a snippet of the log from above.




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Re: Robots cannot read JSP?

2006-02-11 Thread Mike Sabroff

Scott,
Your assessment is incorrect!  First off, curl doesn't read html pages, 
it does a get or post to a url just as though you clicked it in your 
browser (and a lot of other things you can do with curl). Second off, it 
is not the jsp that is the problem, it is the javascript as Tim said, 
and the lack of links.


Mike

David Smith wrote:
I doubt the problem is with curl not being able to read files other 
than .htm or .html. The problem is only browsers execute javascript. 
Think of curl or the search engines as a browser without javascript 
enabled.  What would you get in IE or Firefox if you disabled javascript?


-- David

Scott Purcell wrote:

Tim,
Thanks a lot for the info. I got to thinking, and tried invoking curl
from my box on the url, and see exactly what you saw. The js screwing
things up.

So I decided to run curl on different pages, and I came to the
conclusion that only htm, or html pages show up via curl?

Does anyone think that the robots are just like curl, and that they can
only read HTML files?

Thanks for all, I know this is a bit off topic ...and I hope I don't
hack anyone off.

Thanks
Scott

-Original Message-
From: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 10, 
2006 8:50 PM

To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Access log to see where robots go.

The problem is your home page, not robots.txt. When / is requested - the

following is served back, notice the javascript redirect: (the full file
is below)


   function invokeWebApp() {
 top.location.href =
http://www.theuniquepear.com/unique/index.jsp;;
   }

Search engines do not execute javascript are there are no links on the
page so search engines have no where to go. (Except someone else's 
site).


As much as I detest SEO companies, you might find it helpful to search
for one for some assistance.

html
head
   head
 titleThe Unique Pear | Unique Home Decor  Accessories/title
 meta name=description content=The Unique Pear is an

online b outique specializing in home decor  
accessories. Products include clocks, candl es, wall


decor, garden, lighting, bath and more.
 meta name=keywords content=The Unique Pear Timework clocks,
lamps, lamp  shades, candles, aroma, aroma 
difuser, wall
decor, wall scounces, wrought iron,  pitchers, 
bookstands,

jaqua bath products, candleholders
 meta name=description content=
meta name=keywords content=
  /head
body bgcolor=#FF

script language = javascript
   //!--
   function invokeWebApp() {
 top.location.href =
http://www.theuniquepear.com/unique/index.jsp;;
   }
   invokeWebApp();
   // --
/script

hello
/body
/html

-Tim

Scott Purcell wrote:
 

I have had trouble getting search engines to see my site. I built it


with struts, and use some tags from the index.html page to get business
logic, to finally get to my page. The url is
http://www.theuniquepear.com
 

Anyway, upon talking to some co-workers, they suggested I watch my


access log, so I can see what files they are indexing. I thought I had
the access log turned on for the site, and see when someone hits my web
site, but as far as the searchbots go, I only see this in my logs daily.
 

$ cat  localhost_access_log.2006-02-07.txt | less
67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:44:55 -0600] GET /robots.txt


HTTP/1.0 404 985
 

67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:46:21 -0600] GET / HTTP/1.0 200 844
67.15.16.30 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:51:57 -0600] GET /robots.txt


HTTP/1.0 404 985
 

62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:42 -0600] GET


/unique/welcome.do?OVRAW=home%20decorating%20ideasOVKEY=home
 

62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:44 -0600] GET


/unique/includes/siteWide.css HTTP/1.1 200 15402
 

62.114.208.233 - - [07/Feb/2006:03:52:44 -0600] GET


/unique/images/header_pear.jpg HTTP/1.1 200 11227
 

I see the entry for robots.txt, but I have no idea where they are


going, or what they are doing.
 

I turned on access log like this in the server.xml like so:
Valve className=org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve
 directory=logs  prefix=localhost_access_log.


suffix=.txt
 

 pattern=common resolveHosts=false/

And that is a snippet of the log from above.




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