Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap
tomcat is from www.apache.org, I think sun donated it a while back. You need java to run tomcat, java is from sun but I don't see what problem that would pose. Alternately you could use GNU Java. On 12/5/06, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, is there any chance to get tomcat working w/o sun's commercial crap ? I'm working on gentoo and can't tomcat it w/o going to the sun shop :(( cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT)
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?? Sun's Commercial Crap ?? What about http://tomcat.apache.org? --David Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, is there any chance to get tomcat working w/o sun's commercial crap ? I'm working on gentoo and can't tomcat it w/o going to the sun shop :(( cu - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is this a troll? You will need some copy of Java to use Tomcat - either the JVM from Sun, IBM or Blackdown (which I think is based on Sun's) As for ?! commercial = crap ?! Glad to see you are using a free non- commercial machine to write these mails... Regards Andrew PS: Enrico - Looks like you have someone playing with your mailer - maybe you should fix this first. X-Terror: bin laden, kill bush, Briefbombe, Massenvernichtung, KZ, X-Nazi: Weisse Rasse, Hitlers Wiederauferstehung, 42, X-Antichrist: weg mit schaeuble, ausrotten, heiliger krieg, al quaida, X-Killer: 23, endloesung, Weltuntergang, X-Doof: wer das liest ist doof On 05/12/2006, at 5:10 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, is there any chance to get tomcat working w/o sun's commercial crap ? I'm working on gentoo and can't tomcat it w/o going to the sun shop :(( -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFdZ5FW126qUNSzvURArTFAJ47M3+qrdJumvCKIgrflYekzsv8RgCZAd5F KMbbgGu7Np+I/L7IjK4vhBg= =GiiB -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Monica... -Original Message- From: Andrew Miehs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:29 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is this a troll? You will need some copy of Java to use Tomcat - either the JVM from Sun, IBM or Blackdown (which I think is based on Sun's) As for ?! commercial = crap ?! Glad to see you are using a free non- commercial machine to write these mails... Regards Andrew PS: Enrico - Looks like you have someone playing with your mailer - maybe you should fix this first. X-Terror: bin laden, kill bush, Briefbombe, Massenvernichtung, KZ, X-Nazi: Weisse Rasse, Hitlers Wiederauferstehung, 42, X-Antichrist: weg mit schaeuble, ausrotten, heiliger krieg, al quaida, X-Killer: 23, endloesung, Weltuntergang, X-Doof: wer das liest ist doof On 05/12/2006, at 5:10 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, is there any chance to get tomcat working w/o sun's commercial crap ? I'm working on gentoo and can't tomcat it w/o going to the sun shop :(( -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFdZ5FW126qUNSzvURArTFAJ47M3+qrdJumvCKIgrflYekzsv8RgCZAd5F KMbbgGu7Np+I/L7IjK4vhBg= =GiiB -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: tomcat w/o commercial crap
Not sure what you mean by 'commercial crap', Java is OSS now, and Tomcat always has been. You might want to check out the Gentoo Java project: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/. Especially the Gentoo Tomcat Guide: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/tomcat-guide.xml. --- Tracy Nelson / Nelnet Business Solutions 402 / 617-9449 | -Original Message- | From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, 05 December, 2006 10:11 | | I'm working on gentoo and can't tomcat it w/o going to the | sun shop :(( The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of FACTS/Nelnet Business Solutions. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of FACTS/Nelnet Business Solutions is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enrico, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, is there any chance to get tomcat working w/o sun's commercial crap ? ??! I'm working on gentoo and can't tomcat it w/o going to the sun shop :(( IIRC, when Gentoo upgraded to JDK 1.5.0, they removed the requirement that you download Sun's JDK from their website and drop it in your portage package directory. Now, portage can download and install it automatically. There are also a handful of non-Sun JDKs available through portage. Try these packages instead: dev-java/blackdown-jdk dev-java/diablo-jdk dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin dev-java/jrockit-jdk-bin I would recommend the IBM JDK personally. Some of the above are masked for various architectures and patch levels, etc. but none of them look like they require a commercial download. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFdaCB9CaO5/Lv0PARAoplAJ9ynwEJsbEexcnwamBbhs3HvJ1NFQCgrnkU O7n6oCtaFYPZw32QCDOZOJ4= =0qCT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Nelson, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you mean by 'commercial crap', Java is OSS now, and Tomcat always has been. maybe I missed something, but tomcat requires several packages, ie. sun-jimi, which are NOT free (and cannot be downloaded directly). cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IIRC, when Gentoo upgraded to JDK 1.5.0, they removed the requirement that you download Sun's JDK from their website and drop it in your portage package directory. Now, portage can download and install it automatically. true for the jdk, but not lots of other sun-* packages required by the tomcat port (or axis), ie. sun-jimi, sun-javamail, ... There are also a handful of non-Sun JDKs available through portage. Try these packages instead: dev-java/blackdown-jdk dev-java/diablo-jdk dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin dev-java/jrockit-jdk-bin Anyone of them is opensource / free software ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap maybe I missed something, but tomcat requires several packages, ie. sun-jimi, which are NOT free (and cannot be downloaded directly). I guess you did miss something, since real Tomcat versions require nothing more than the JRE. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In every install I've done, I've only needed the tomcat download from tomcat.apache.org (and a JVM of course). Never needed to get extra stuff direct from Sun's site. Sounds like you are trying to use some third party package install that added dependencies. --David Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Nelson, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you mean by 'commercial crap', Java is OSS now, and Tomcat always has been. maybe I missed something, but tomcat requires several packages, ie. sun-jimi, which are NOT free (and cannot be downloaded directly). cu - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Do yourself a favour and do NOT use Tomcat and Java from your linux distribution. Download Tomcat from Apache.org Download Java from http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp Either the JDK, or JRE Install them both in /usr/local ln -s /usr/local/java-whatever-their-version /usr/local/java change your startup script to JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java export JAVA_HOME PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH export PATH Cheers Andrew On 05/12/2006, at 5:48 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Nelson, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you mean by 'commercial crap', Java is OSS now, and Tomcat always has been. maybe I missed something, but tomcat requires several packages, ie. sun-jimi, which are NOT free (and cannot be downloaded directly). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFdaThW126qUNSzvURAmcXAKCQW0QNyqRXrLhIRMakpzihiMU4AQCgkfun Ntsf8grmyPW1HoTAep2be6M= =/4xB -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IIRC, when Gentoo upgraded to JDK 1.5.0, they removed the requirement that you download Sun's JDK from their website and drop it in your portage package directory. Now, portage can download and install it automatically. true for the jdk, but not lots of other sun-* packages required by the tomcat port (or axis), ie. sun-jimi, sun-javamail, ... Nope. I have had tomcat running for a couple of years with nothing but freely-available packages. Of there might be some different functionality you want to use that requires commercial packages, but I haven't run into one yet. There are also a handful of non-Sun JDKs available through portage. Try these packages instead: dev-java/blackdown-jdk dev-java/diablo-jdk dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin dev-java/jrockit-jdk-bin Anyone of them is opensource / free software ? cu - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Caldarale, Charles R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap maybe I missed something, but tomcat requires several packages, ie. sun-jimi, which are NOT free (and cannot be downloaded directly). I guess you did miss something, since real Tomcat versions require nothing more than the JRE. So how would you suggest an clean tomcat installation on gentoo systems ? Rewrite the ebuilds and kickoff the dependencies ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nope. I have had tomcat running for a couple of years with nothing but freely-available packages. Of there might be some different functionality you want to use that requires commercial packages, but I haven't run into one yet. on gentoo ? How ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap So how would you suggest an clean tomcat installation on gentoo systems ? Rewrite the ebuilds and kickoff the dependencies ? As others have already suggested, throw away the junk that comes with gentoo, download Tomcat from apache.org, download the JRE of your choice from the approprate vendor, install, and have fun. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/5/06, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Caldarale, Charles R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap maybe I missed something, but tomcat requires several packages, ie. sun-jimi, which are NOT free (and cannot be downloaded directly). I guess you did miss something, since real Tomcat versions require nothing more than the JRE. So how would you suggest an clean tomcat installation on gentoo systems ? Rewrite the ebuilds and kickoff the dependencies ? sudo rm -rf / install debian :-) see andrews message above for tomcat install from apache reps. regards Leon cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enrico, Enrico Weigelt wrote: true for the jdk, but not lots of other sun-* packages required by the tomcat port (or axis), ie. sun-jimi, sun-javamail, ... Aah, I saw that afterward. I use Tomcat on Gentoo, but I don't use portage to install Tomcat... I do that myself. You might want to just download the binary package directly from the Jakarta site and use that. There are also a handful of non-Sun JDKs available through portage. Try these packages instead: dev-java/blackdown-jdk dev-java/diablo-jdk dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin dev-java/jrockit-jdk-bin Anyone of them is opensource / free software ? The blackdown JDK is one of the oldest non-Sun JDKs available for Linux. I believe that it is completely open source. Someone mentioned that blackdown was based on Sun's code... I think that's completely false: blackdown was always a more free competitor to Sun's implementation. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFdai29CaO5/Lv0PARAq4JAJ9vW9k+L+M5Y2/xeCtf4V32d8Iq0ACfRo/6 DQEgo0FwfVCgCd4VXreVU/g= =Jrmb -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll jump in here, I use Gentoo ~x86 (a bit racy, but hey) and Tomcat 5.5.20 installs without any non-free dependencies (that I could see). Looking in the Gentoo forums, a new ebuild for Tomcat had been released on 1st December to overcome a similar issue (maybe even the same as yours). Look in: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-518653-highlight-tomcat.html Cheers Owen On Tuesday 05 December 2006 17:07, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nope. I have had tomcat running for a couple of years with nothing but freely-available packages. Of there might be some different functionality you want to use that requires commercial packages, but I haven't run into one yet. on gentoo ? How ? cu - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enrico, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. I have had tomcat running for a couple of years with nothing but freely-available packages. Of there might be some different functionality you want to use that requires commercial packages, but I haven't run into one yet. on gentoo ? How ? Apparently, very few responders realized what you were asking. Just in case it's not clear, Enrico is asking about Tomcat on Gentoo specifically, and it looks like he'd prefer to use the package manager which is called portage. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFdbIc9CaO5/Lv0PARAr/GAKCyh2hISP1vvzh82cvyPMP0yoUZxACfQXX9 jumko2M5rTjfa3V4Ce8tNW0= =Z6Z1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| -Original Message- | From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, 05 December, 2006 11:13 | | The blackdown JDK is one of the oldest non-Sun JDKs available for Linux. | I believe that it is completely open source. Someone mentioned that | blackdown was based on Sun's code... I think that's completely false: | blackdown was always a more free competitor to Sun's implementation. Actually, I believe the Blackdown JDK was based on an early (1.0.7?) Sun JRE, and then extended to provide support for later Java versions. ISTR that some early Blackdown versions were just patch sets you had to apply to a JDK you already had installed. Ultimately, Javasoft released the 1.2 JDK sources to the Blackdown team (technically, they licensed the J2SE code base under the Sun Scholarship banner), and Sun eventually wound up supporting Java on Linux themselves. Anyone know if Debian is willing to support Sun's JDK now that it's GPL'd? The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of FACTS/Nelnet Business Solutions. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of FACTS/Nelnet Business Solutions is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Owen Cumpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll jump in here, I use Gentoo ~x86 (a bit racy, but hey) and Tomcat 5.5.20 installs without any non-free dependencies (that I could see). Looking in the Gentoo forums, a new ebuild for Tomcat had been released on 1st December to overcome a similar issue (maybe even the same as yours). Look in: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-518653-highlight-tomcat.html That doesn't solve the whole problem. There're still some other unfree packages required, ie. sun-jimi and sun-javamail-bin :(( cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This however is a Gentoo packaging problem and not a user problem. If you want to get tomcat working as quickly as possible - download it directly from apache.org and IGNORE the gentoo packages. If you want it to work properly as a gentoo package either contact the package admin/ Gentoo user mailing list, or fix it yourself. My recommendation: Do not install Java or Tomcat from distributions, always install them yourself - A) Its easier B) It works with no nasty side effects Andrew On 05/12/2006, at 7:19 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Owen Cumpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll jump in here, I use Gentoo ~x86 (a bit racy, but hey) and Tomcat 5.5.20 installs without any non-free dependencies (that I could see). Looking in the Gentoo forums, a new ebuild for Tomcat had been released on 1st December to overcome a similar issue (maybe even the same as yours). Look in: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-518653-highlight-tomcat.html That doesn't solve the whole problem. There're still some other unfree packages required, ie. sun-jimi and sun-javamail-bin :(( -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFdbt7W126qUNSzvURApKsAJwM3emtaOZsoHHvpAn7blqiWDTj9ACfSx7B M3ThOKRh2BP5w+2RpLilWgw= =P6D0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just in case it's not clear, Enrico is asking about Tomcat on Gentoo specifically, and it looks like he'd prefer to use the package manager which is called portage. ACK. I've now spent the second day with trying to get it running. Seems the related ebuilds are totally broken. the gentoo devs of course claim evrytings perfect ;-o *gmpf* Very frustrating. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed. Ultimately a download/install gives you the most control and without more info I would say the same. It very much depends on your set-up, which versions of Java Tomcat that you wish to use, is it released or testing code?, etc. But still, installing Tomcat on Gentoo ~x86 (testing in other words) didn't require me to download either sun-jimi or sun-javamail-bin here. So the options I think Enrico has are: 1. Download and install yourself or 2. Use the Gentoo forums to find out the Gentoo installation is pulling in those deps. HTH Owen On Tuesday 05 December 2006 18:33, Andrew Miehs wrote: This however is a Gentoo packaging problem and not a user problem. If you want to get tomcat working as quickly as possible - download it directly from apache.org and IGNORE the gentoo packages. If you want it to work properly as a gentoo package either contact the package admin/ Gentoo user mailing list, or fix it yourself. My recommendation: Do not install Java or Tomcat from distributions, always install them yourself - A) Its easier B) It works with no nasty side effects Andrew On 05/12/2006, at 7:19 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Owen Cumpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll jump in here, I use Gentoo ~x86 (a bit racy, but hey) and Tomcat 5.5.20 installs without any non-free dependencies (that I could see). Looking in the Gentoo forums, a new ebuild for Tomcat had been released on 1st December to overcome a similar issue (maybe even the same as yours). Look in: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-518653-highlight-tomcat.html That doesn't solve the whole problem. There're still some other unfree packages required, ie. sun-jimi and sun-javamail-bin :(( - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/5/06, Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, very few responders realized what you were asking. Just in case it's not clear, Enrico is asking about Tomcat on Gentoo specifically, and it looks like he'd prefer to use the package manager which is called portage. - -chris Oh, I think most of us understood that. However what most of us do not understand, is why he's wishing to use the gentoo packages, despite downloading it from source is proven to solve 90% of configuration and dependency problems :-) regards Leon - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap
Sounds like you might want to switch to Windows. Maybe that's more your speed. Jon - Original Message - From: Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap * Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just in case it's not clear, Enrico is asking about Tomcat on Gentoo specifically, and it looks like he'd prefer to use the package manager which is called portage. ACK. I've now spent the second day with trying to get it running. Seems the related ebuilds are totally broken. the gentoo devs of course claim evrytings perfect ;-o *gmpf* Very frustrating. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: tomcat w/o commercial crap
From: Jon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap Sounds like you might want to switch to Windows. Maybe that's more your speed. Insert knife, twist... - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: tomcat w/o commercial crap
| From: Owen Cumpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, 05 December, 2006 13:11 | | 1. Download and install yourself | or | 2. Use the Gentoo forums to find out the Gentoo installation is pulling | in those deps. FWIW, the Gentoo Tomcat Guide has a note that says Tomcat 5.x versions have allot [sic] of questionable dependencies. Tomcat calls them optional core packages. So it seems that the Gentoo package maintainers are installing a lot of packages that probably aren't included with a standard set-up. I also note that they have seriously reconfigured Tomcat to comply with FHS (?) as well as Gentoo standards. If you're just doing this for fun, then have at. But if you're doing this for money, I'd strongly recommend downloading a standard Tomcat distribution and installing it in a standard location. You'll have a lot fewer headaches and be much more likely to find other people who have a similar setup who might be able to help if you have problems. The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of FACTS/Nelnet Business Solutions. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of FACTS/Nelnet Business Solutions is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat w/o commercial crap
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:06:43PM +0100, Leon Rosenberg wrote: On 12/5/06, Christopher Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, very few responders realized what you were asking. Just in case it's not clear, Enrico is asking about Tomcat on Gentoo specifically, and it looks like he'd prefer to use the package manager which is called portage. Oh, I think most of us understood that. However what most of us do not understand, is why he's wishing to use the gentoo packages, despite downloading it from source is proven to solve 90% of configuration and dependency problems :-) Well, it seems quite understandable to me. Installing from source in a controlled-package environment like gentoo has side effects. One is, you just f'ed up your system security controls. Another is, you no longer have a clean, easily identifiable set of installed software. When I first started using linux, lo these many years ago, I kept a list of software versions and updates on index cards -- it was the only way I could keep track of what I had updated and when. Configure, make make install has its charms, but as as method of maintaining an entire system, it is decidedly not best. And, anybody who has used linux for any length of time has been through the dependency hell of recursively installing and updating libraries in order to get some needed software to compile. I used gentoo for a while a couple of years ago. It has a very nice package management system. It's extremely flexible from a security standpoint and allows you to build a good, secure system. But, as Enrico is finding out, it is not best for a development machine. You can't depend on others to update the packages on your timetable. And creating a gentoo package is a nontrivial pursuit. That is why I am a Slackware user more or less continuously for nearly 10 years. Heh, I just can't break that configure, make make install habit. Worse than cigarettes. Thanks. mp -- Michael Powe[EMAIL PROTECTED] Naugatuck CT USA No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority. -- Thomas Jefferson to New London Methodists, 1809. ME 16:332 pgpuckHaNsmBq.pgp Description: PGP signature
