RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
| From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Saturday, 06 January, 2007 10:18 | | Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In | developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will | be | using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? Um, is there some reason you aren't using the same browser in development that they'll be using in production? If not, you're just opening yourself up for a world of hurt. I would think it would be difficult to explain to your boss why you have to do some emergency bug-fixing at the 11th hour because you didn't test with the same browser that you *knew* they'd be using in production. Don't get me wrong, I use FF for all my development, but as soon as I finish a feature the first thing I do is make sure it works correctly on IE. There's just no excuse for not supporting the browser that dominates the market (even if you have to use hacks or exceptions). - The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of Nelnet, Inc. and its affiliated companies (Nelnet) and is intended for the recipient only. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of Nelnet is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! On 1/8/07, Nelson, Tracy M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Saturday, 06 January, 2007 10:18 | | Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In | developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will | be | using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? Um, is there some reason you aren't using the same browser in development that they'll be using in production? If not, you're just opening yourself up for a world of hurt. I would think it would be difficult to explain to your boss why you have to do some emergency bug-fixing at the 11th hour because you didn't test with the same browser that you *knew* they'd be using in production. Don't get me wrong, I use FF for all my development, but as soon as I finish a feature the first thing I do is make sure it works correctly on IE. There's just no excuse for not supporting the browser that dominates the market (even if you have to use hacks or exceptions). - The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of Nelnet, Inc. and its affiliated companies (Nelnet) and is intended for the recipient only. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of Nelnet is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT)
RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
| From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Sunday, 07 January, 2007 09:56
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| At any rate, you should try to avoid anything that's not a W3C standard.
Yeah, so stay away from Mozilla's little shortcuts like using
document.getElementsByTagName('tag')['name'] (gEBTN() is defined to return a
NodeList, not a NamedNodeMap). And be sure to avoid appending a new row to
a table by just blithely calling
tbl.appendChild(document.createElement(tr)) -- even through Mozilla
accepts it and does what you might expect, it's wrong (that code will append
a new child to the *table*, so it'll be treated as a second table body, so
it won't show up) So use the W3C standard of
tbl.lastChild.appendChild(document.createElement(tr)), like IE enforces.
Sorry, I just get a little twitchy when people start mooning over Mozilla's
W3C compliance. Sure, it's pretty compliant, and yes IE is a festering
cesspool, but don't get suckered into the Well, it works on Mozilla/FF/NS,
so it *must* be W3C compliant... trap. Every browser has it's little
departures from the spec, keep your eyes open and test with every (version
of every) browser you can get your hands on.
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Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
On 1/8/07, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! Go tell this my boss! :-) Leon On 1/8/07, Nelson, Tracy M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Saturday, 06 January, 2007 10:18 | | Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In | developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will | be | using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? Um, is there some reason you aren't using the same browser in development that they'll be using in production? If not, you're just opening yourself up for a world of hurt. I would think it would be difficult to explain to your boss why you have to do some emergency bug-fixing at the 11th hour because you didn't test with the same browser that you *knew* they'd be using in production. Don't get me wrong, I use FF for all my development, but as soon as I finish a feature the first thing I do is make sure it works correctly on IE. There's just no excuse for not supporting the browser that dominates the market (even if you have to use hacks or exceptions). - The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of Nelnet, Inc. and its affiliated companies (Nelnet) and is intended for the recipient only. Any reproduction, forwarding, or copying without the express permission of Nelnet is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this e-mail. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Robert S. Harper Information Access Technology, Inc. -Original Message- From: EDMOND KEMOKAI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:51 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! That may be true but to ignore the behavior differences especially when the target audience is using something other than you are is poor practice. One way to avoid most problems is to stay away from browser specific features and rely on standard markups and extensions as much as possible. You'll be looked upon with much more favor if you test in the most popular browsers and ensure they work and look good than if you start putting requirements on what browser the end user must use. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
From: EDMOND KEMOKAI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web developers aren't suppose to be supporting browsers!! That's rather like saying Windows developers aren't supposed to be supporting Vista *and* XP!! or Linux developers aren't supposed to be supporting different distros!! Your code runs on a browser. It's your operating environment. Operating environments vary. The web developer's job is to support the operating environments as requested by their (in-house or external) clients. The web developers who don't do this, ultimately, leave the market. Sometimes they even do it voluntarily. - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pierre, Pierre Goupil wrote: Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance? It looks like everyone on the list got into a who 'creates' HTML argument... I'm assuming that you were talking about using javascript to generate content on the fly and insert it into a document. If you stay away from the innerHTML attribute (which only works in MSIE, so you're probably not using it) and instead use the methods Document.createElement and node.add and node.insert, then you'll be fine. Users of browsers like NN 4, MSIE 4, and some others might be left out in the cold. My advice on that is to make sure that you are only using javascript as added flavor, and to ensure that a non-javascript user can still accomplish everything (even if it is a bit less convenient). Sorry if I missed the point and you weren't asking about javascript-generated markup. ;) - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoQeF9CaO5/Lv0PARAtovAJ44G5pyfZLGcRrMN/LqGYQRXz0MxgCgg3ws mNedKrwDFZEo0PvUt+9OmvE= =YqLg -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Christopher Schultz wrote:
If you stay away from the innerHTML attribute (which only works in
MSIE, so you're probably not using it) and instead use the methods
Document.createElement and node.add and node.insert, then you'll be fine.
This is false. innerHTML is supported by most current browsers. Try
this, just click the button:
htmlheadtitle/title/headbody
div id=divTest/div
input type=button
onClick=document.getElementById('divTest').innerHTML='It works';
/body/html
Works in IE, FF and Opera at least, I don't have a Mac to try in Safari
but I'd bet it works just fine. I can't testify as to what the minimum
version of each browser that supports it is... I don't think it's
exactly new for FF or Opera though, I suspect you'd find the above works
in FF 1.0 though, and Opera back probably a few versions too.
You would be correct to say innerHTML is not a standard (other than de
facto perhaps), but to say it doesn't work in anything but IE is just
not correct.
Users of browsers like NN 4, MSIE 4, and some others might be left out
in the cold. My advice on that is to make sure that you are only using
javascript as added flavor, and to ensure that a non-javascript user can
still accomplish everything (even if it is a bit less convenient).
That's true about older browsers being left out in the cold, but at some
point I think it's perfectly legitimate to stop supporting older
versions. I don't think it's an egregiously bad move to not support 4.x
browsers at this point. I think it's telling that a Google search for
browser statistics, and then checking out the results on the first
page, most of the statistics lists don't even mention anything older
than 5.x browsers, and those that do show sub-1% usage levels. So, I
for one am not losing any sleep by not supporting anything older than
5.x browsers :)
- -chris
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Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: Christopher Schultz wrote: If you stay away from the innerHTML attribute (which only works in MSIE, so you're probably not using it) and instead use the methods Document.createElement and node.add and node.insert, then you'll be fine. This is false. innerHTML is supported by most current browsers. Oh, hey... look at that. I didn't realize that innerHTML was one of the concessions that the Mozilla folks made when attempting to strictly adhere to W3C standards. At some point in the development of Mozilla, the team decided that they would die if they didn't support some of the tag soup that MSIE has allowed to fester on the web. Perhaps this was one of the things that they decided to support. At any rate, you should try to avoid anything that's not a W3C standard. Works in IE, FF and Opera at least, I don't have a Mac to try in Safari but I'd bet it works just fine. I can't testify as to what the minimum version of each browser that supports it is... I don't think it's exactly new for FF or Opera though, I suspect you'd find the above works in FF 1.0 though, and Opera back probably a few versions too. ff isn't that old; Mozilla is much older than that. W3Schools lists this table for the innerHTML property: PropertyIE F O W3C innerHTML 4 1 9 No So, Opera recently added support, and MSIE and FF have had it from the very beginning (yeah, MSIE 2 and 3 existed before that, but nobody used them). No word on Mozilla itself, but it was far enough back that it shouldn't matter these days. Users of browsers like NN 4, MSIE 4, and some others might be left out in the cold. My advice on that is to make sure that you are only using javascript as added flavor, and to ensure that a non-javascript user can still accomplish everything (even if it is a bit less convenient). That's true about older browsers being left out in the cold, but at some point I think it's perfectly legitimate to stop supporting older versions. No question. All my apps from the last few years use reasonably recent standards such as CSS and XHTML. Most old browsers render XHTML just fine, and sadly CSS isn't perfect across compliant browsers even today. But if you're using NN 4, it's just time to upgrade, dude ;) - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoRf39CaO5/Lv0PARAoeKAJ4hixOpkRiVRcdd8trbPHoxCaYQmACgrf5c JPBCunbZAnOr5vdUxl0Dpbo= =mHn6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Christopher Schultz wrote: No question. All my apps from the last few years use reasonably recent standards such as CSS and XHTML. Most old browsers render XHTML just fine, and sadly CSS isn't perfect across compliant browsers even today. But if you're using NN 4, it's just time to upgrade, dude ;) My dad started using a computer I'd say maybe 5 years ago... still doesn't do much except surf the web and manipulate photos (he's actually gotten really good at that) He has this annoying habit of only running Windows 95 and Netscape *3*! I just can't convince the man to switch to anything else! Trying to get to anything on his computer is as frustrating as can be: 500 error popups, partially rendered pages at best, etc. (oh yeah, and after he installs Windows, he has a mental checklist of all sort of things to remove... he's always bragging yep, I got Windows down to 2Mb, or whatever size it is, I don't really remember, but a very small install is the point) Frank - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoRf39CaO5/Lv0PARAoeKAJ4hixOpkRiVRcdd8trbPHoxCaYQmACgrf5c JPBCunbZAnOr5vdUxl0Dpbo= =mHn6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author of Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1) Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it! - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié)
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié)
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
No, it's converted to Java code by Tomcat, along with whatever literal HTML you have in the .jsp. The HTML that is sent to the client is whatever you have your code generating. Dave Pierre Goupil wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Nope:-) The jsp-processing is just another form of templating. You can produce html, xml, csv, foo, bar, xyz or even exe with jsp. It just what you make it to be! regards Leon On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
The HTML is in the JSP file, it's not created by Tomcat. It's up to the JSP programmer to ensure that the HTML and logic in the JSP file are correct. Taglibs such as JSTL can generate HTML, but that's not part of Tomcat itself. -- Len On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié)
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Pierre, jsp is compiled by tomcat into servlets. Tomcat then calls the servlet to service an incoming requests. The html that's embedded into the jsp pages is sent to the client as its is shown, along with any you are generating. Usually when people ask 'will it work in this browser' they are referring to different browsers interpreting the html, css standards differently. Or in the case of Microsoft just doing what they feel ;) The root of this thread is talking about this. I hope this makes some sense. Ben On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Yes, of course : Tomcat just processes the Java code, not the HTML. Little but important shade of meaning... Thank you ! Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pierre, jsp is compiled by tomcat into servlets. Tomcat then calls the servlet to service an incoming requests. The html that's embedded into the jsp pages is sent to the client as its is shown, along with any you are generating. Usually when people ask 'will it work in this browser' they are referring to different browsers interpreting the html, css standards differently. Or in the case of Microsoft just doing what they feel ;) The root of this thread is talking about this. I hope this makes some sense. Ben On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Errr... I thought that the JSP was converted into HTML by Tomcat ? Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, ben short [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Um your joking right? Tomcat dosent actually create any of the html, thats up to your servlets/jsp. Unless you mean the Tomcat manager webapp. I havent had any problems with it and have used a few different browsers to acces it. On 1/6/07, Pierre Goupil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, folks ! Does anyone know about Tomcat's generated HTML standards compliance ? In developpement, I'm using Firefox Konqueror, but in production they will be using IE, so... Can it be that I run into problems ? I'm using Struts, Spring JSTL (JSP, of course). Regards, Pierre 2007/1/6, EDMOND KEMOKAI [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT) -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié) - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sans ami était le grand Maître des mondes, Eprouvait manque - ce pour quoi il créa des esprits Miroirs bienheureux de sa béatitude ! L'être suprême ne trouva au vrai aucun égal, Du calice du royaume total des âmes Ecume jusqu'à lui - l'Infinité. (Schiller, poète allemand : L'amitié)
Standards Complaint Browser Campaign
Hi Guys Sorry about the off-topic posting but I thought the mailing list consist of the audience for this campaign. A campaign has been launch to try to encourage web developers and webmasters from using IE hacks to obscure the browsers shortcomings. Please read the appeal from the address below and pass the message along to other mailing lists you may be a subscriber to, if you wish to help. http://www.nomoreiehacks.org/ -- talk trash and carry a small stick. PAUL KRUGMAN (NYT)
