Re: [OT] Merb-Rails Merge
I'm not bashing Rails, I'm just got bored from the Rails guys and how they underestimate Java culture (the language, frameworks and the performance !!) When I say Rails is a good replacement of PHP, I'm not disdaining them. Both are good for building public web sites (forums, e-commerce) but not for the enterprise IMHO. >>Too late :) Struts merged with Webworks. This movement is logical since WW was an attempt to enhance Struts but you can't expect Wicket to merge into SpringMVC for example. Erik van Oosten wrote: > > Please, no Ruby bashing here (or no bashing whatsoever). > > The Ruby world has many more options besides Rails and Merb. Camping, > Sinatra, Ramaze, Nitro just to name a few. Its not such a ridiculous > long list as in the Java world, but hey, Ruby has not been popular for > that long. >> Rails should be a good replacement of PHP, nothing more. > I think you severely underestimate both. (When given to the right people > of course.) > >> I hope Java web frameworks never got merged together. >> > Too late :) Struts merged with Webworks. > > But I agree; choice is good. > > Erik. > > > HHB wrote: >> I hope Java web frameworks never got merged together. >> Whenever my Rails dudes points toward how many Java has web frameworks >> and >> considering this as a bad thing, I smile. >> I smile because they don't have an option, just Rails. >> We (Java guys), have request/action frameworks, component-based >> frameworks, >> Java2JavaScript frameworks, Hybrid framework. >> DHH is a jerk, but a smart one. >> He tries so hard to convince every body on the planet that his Rails is >> the >> ultimate framework. >> Rails should be a good replacement of PHP, nothing more. >> The funniest thing when I hear Ruby/Rails guys talking about deploying >> Rails >> applications in the enterprise, What a good joke !! >> > > -- > Erik van Oosten > http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-OT--Merb-Rails-Merge-tp21151511p21166311.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [OT] Merb-Rails Merge
Okay, but you'd just get Wicket again. Serkan Camurcuoglu wrote: > > This page > http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3 > http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3 > made me dream about a world where all Java web frameworks merge into > Wicket :) > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-OT--Merb-Rails-Merge-tp21151511p21156938.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [OT] Merb-Rails Merge
Please, no Ruby bashing here (or no bashing whatsoever). The Ruby world has many more options besides Rails and Merb. Camping, Sinatra, Ramaze, Nitro just to name a few. Its not such a ridiculous long list as in the Java world, but hey, Ruby has not been popular for that long. Rails should be a good replacement of PHP, nothing more. I think you severely underestimate both. (When given to the right people of course.) I hope Java web frameworks never got merged together. Too late :) Struts merged with Webworks. But I agree; choice is good. Erik. HHB wrote: I hope Java web frameworks never got merged together. Whenever my Rails dudes points toward how many Java has web frameworks and considering this as a bad thing, I smile. I smile because they don't have an option, just Rails. We (Java guys), have request/action frameworks, component-based frameworks, Java2JavaScript frameworks, Hybrid framework. DHH is a jerk, but a smart one. He tries so hard to convince every body on the planet that his Rails is the ultimate framework. Rails should be a good replacement of PHP, nothing more. The funniest thing when I hear Ruby/Rails guys talking about deploying Rails applications in the enterprise, What a good joke !! -- Erik van Oosten http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [OT] Merb-Rails Merge
I hope Java web frameworks never got merged together. Whenever my Rails dudes points toward how many Java has web frameworks and considering this as a bad thing, I smile. I smile because they don't have an option, just Rails. We (Java guys), have request/action frameworks, component-based frameworks, Java2JavaScript frameworks, Hybrid framework. DHH is a jerk, but a smart one. He tries so hard to convince every body on the planet that his Rails is the ultimate framework. Rails should be a good replacement of PHP, nothing more. The funniest thing when I hear Ruby/Rails guys talking about deploying Rails applications in the enterprise, What a good joke !! Serkan Camurcuoglu wrote: > > This page > http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3 > http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3 > made me dream about a world where all Java web frameworks merge into > Wicket :) > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-OT--Merb-Rails-Merge-tp21151511p21156821.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [OT] Merb-Rails Merge
Can you imagine if we only had one web framework? Most of the conferences would shut down and Java book sales would plummet. What would Java developers argue about with only one web framework? Other than disputes over IDEs, AJAX frameworks, SOAP APIs, testing, SCM, and dozens of other things where the stakes are so low that it couldn't possibly matter, we'd have nothing to talk about. ;) On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Serkan Camurcuoglu wrote: > > This page > http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3 > http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3 made > me dream about a world where all Java web frameworks merge into Wicket :) > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/-OT--Merb-Rails-Merge-tp21151511p21151511.html > Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >
