Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 01:53, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Hi Caty, I am glad to see that others are looking at what we do, and it is good time for them to comment now, since I will not have many more comments now :) I have replied to some of your comment below... On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 18:54, Ecaterina Valica vali...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Take a look at Rights 5 http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space Added: * information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides) * icons built together as a whole http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/icons.png * representation of advanced rights with the same abstract icon, but with different color (no text; we can debate this) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/color.png * inheritance arrow married with +/- IMGs (in case of browser problem) - collapsed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5Space.png - expanded: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5SpaceExpanded.png On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Hi Caty, On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica vali...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Denis, I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good proposals. I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is becoming to much bilateral IMO. Please take a look at a proposal for V3 and my 3) version with elements from Rights2 :) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal and in action http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space Really nice job ! I really appreciate. The prototype is not reflecting the desired interaction: both inherited info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of hover | click. I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu. Is it what you try ? yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. This is perfect, but you should include a little timeout for the tooltips, or it will be too much invasive. From the reaction of Alex and Raluca, I really hope you will be able to implement the correct interaction in your samples, since this seems to cause a lot of confusion. If you can't, let me know, I will try to find some time to have a look at it. That v needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action menus. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Caty, Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that level... but without visual :\ I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would helps basic users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand. We may even imagine that only advanced user (those marked so in their profile), has access to the expanded view. I think that the collapsed view missed an additional icon that summarize the rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there is any non-defaulted additional right in action. This is a signal that extended rights are in use (See it like the grey box of Windows when special rights are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know more). This one would be obviously not editable, and should probably work like the ... or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am not sure, but I would also prefer to see a textual link advanced in small font, and only visible when row is hovered. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#HRowhover Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is still missing in collapsed mode. I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has been set locally or not without having to go advanced mode. Else, you will have to expand all rows to check that information, which is not practical. Order of right are not significant, so I would prefer that in all view, these where in the same order, with the basic right first (V/C/E/D/A/P) and the additional right in their order of registration (hope that it will stay constant... or we will have to find a way to
[xwiki-users] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
Hi, Take a look at Rights 5 http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space Added: * information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides) * icons built together as a whole http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/icons.png * representation of advanced rights with the same abstract icon, but with different color (no text; we can debate this) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/color.png * inheritance arrow married with +/- IMGs (in case of browser problem) - collapsed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5Space.png - expanded: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5SpaceExpanded.png On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Hi Caty, On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica vali...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Denis, I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good proposals. I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is becoming to much bilateral IMO. Please take a look at a proposal for V3 and my 3) version with elements from Rights2 :) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal and in action http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space Really nice job ! I really appreciate. The prototype is not reflecting the desired interaction: both inherited info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of hover | click. I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu. Is it what you try ? yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. That v needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action menus. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Caty, Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that level... but without visual :\ I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would helps basic users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand. We may even imagine that only advanced user (those marked so in their profile), has access to the expanded view. I think that the collapsed view missed an additional icon that summarize the rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there is any non-defaulted additional right in action. This is a signal that extended rights are in use (See it like the grey box of Windows when special rights are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know more). This one would be obviously not editable, and should probably work like the ... or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am not sure, but I would also prefer to see a textual link advanced in small font, and only visible when row is hovered. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#HRowhover Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is still missing in collapsed mode. I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has been set locally or not without having to go advanced mode. Else, you will have to expand all rows to check that information, which is not practical. Order of right are not significant, so I would prefer that in all view, these where in the same order, with the basic right first (V/C/E/D/A/P) and the additional right in their order of registration (hope that it will stay constant... or we will have to find a way to keep them ordered). The right part of each icon should be grayed if the right is inherited and not grayed if the right is set locally, this improve the information provided in V3. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#HAfterclick The problem with this icons (taken from Silk) is that there is little difference for View, Comment, Admin icons between the two states (inherited, locally set) - but this is something we can easily improve (by changing the icons and looking for some more contrast). Example: This is how they look when all rights are set locally (full color) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights43Proposal/fullColors.png I also think that the +/- (which is never grayed) could be nearer to the right icon. Maybe you could use a green V and a read stop in place of +/- ? The other mockup versions (like
Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
Hi Caty, This version is really cool, just some minor comments: When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right above the right icons from the line below. The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some people. I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the menu. Alex On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: Hi, Take a look at Rights 5 http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space Added: * information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides) * icons built together as a whole http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/icons.png * representation of advanced rights with the same abstract icon, but with different color (no text; we can debate this) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/color.png * inheritance arrow married with +/- IMGs (in case of browser problem) - collapsed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5Space.png - expanded: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5SpaceExpanded.png On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Hi Caty, On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica vali...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Denis, I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good proposals. I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is becoming to much bilateral IMO. Please take a look at a proposal for V3 and my 3) version with elements from Rights2 :) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal and in action http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space Really nice job ! I really appreciate. The prototype is not reflecting the desired interaction: both inherited info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of hover | click. I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu. Is it what you try ? yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. snip ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
Hi Caty, I am glad to see that others are looking at what we do, and it is good time for them to comment now, since I will not have many more comments now :) I have replied to some of your comment below... On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 18:54, Ecaterina Valica vali...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Take a look at Rights 5 http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space Added: * information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides) * icons built together as a whole http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/icons.png * representation of advanced rights with the same abstract icon, but with different color (no text; we can debate this) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/color.png * inheritance arrow married with +/- IMGs (in case of browser problem) - collapsed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5Space.png - expanded: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/rights5SpaceExpanded.png On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Hi Caty, On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica vali...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Denis, I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good proposals. I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is becoming to much bilateral IMO. Please take a look at a proposal for V3 and my 3) version with elements from Rights2 :) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal and in action http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space Really nice job ! I really appreciate. The prototype is not reflecting the desired interaction: both inherited info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of hover | click. I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu. Is it what you try ? yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. This is perfect, but you should include a little timeout for the tooltips, or it will be too much invasive. From the reaction of Alex and Raluca, I really hope you will be able to implement the correct interaction in your samples, since this seems to cause a lot of confusion. If you can't, let me know, I will try to find some time to have a look at it. That v needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action menus. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle d...@softec.lu wrote: Caty, Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that level... but without visual :\ I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would helps basic users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand. We may even imagine that only advanced user (those marked so in their profile), has access to the expanded view. I think that the collapsed view missed an additional icon that summarize the rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there is any non-defaulted additional right in action. This is a signal that extended rights are in use (See it like the grey box of Windows when special rights are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know more). This one would be obviously not editable, and should probably work like the ... or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am not sure, but I would also prefer to see a textual link advanced in small font, and only visible when row is hovered. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#HRowhover Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is still missing in collapsed mode. I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has been set locally or not without having to go advanced mode. Else, you will have to expand all rows to check that information, which is not practical. Order of right are not significant, so I would prefer that in all view, these where in the same order, with the basic right first (V/C/E/D/A/P) and the additional right in their order of registration (hope that it will stay constant... or we will have to find a way to keep them ordered). The right part of each icon should be grayed if the right is inherited and not grayed if the right is set locally, this improve the information provided in V3.
[xwiki-users] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
Hi, Please give feedback for Rights Management UI Proposal. *Partial Prototype* - Wiki Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Wiki - Space Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Space - Page Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Page *Desired Interaction * - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Proposal#HInteractionExplanations Thanks, Caty ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
