Re: [xwiki-users] The missing quality of xwiki?
Hi, 2009/9/23 Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net 1. The F in FAQ stands for frequently, so a split betwenn FAQ and QA may be useful. 2. 204 Questions without any structuring? (compare to e.g. the ant link above) 3. 73 unanwered FAQs? Re FAQ vs QA, yes we have this ambiguity. It's a wiki and people adds their questions there instead of using the mailing list/forum as mentioned on the page... OTOH if people asked themselves these questions it means others could also ask themselves the same questions so it's not too bad. I don't have any idea to improve this. Maybe it's just about defining the expectations better about what users will find on this page. I personnally would be fond of something like a voting feature. Typical usage : - I go to XWiki FAQ, look out for a question - someone already asked, but no answer : I vote for it - we could consider mosted voted questions are almost equivalent to most frequently asked questions Of course, you don't know if answered questions with no votes would have been frequently asked, because there are chances people won't vote for something already answered ... But it might remove some ambiguity. Also, I would be interested by the rating system : http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RatingSystem ;-) Regards, Jeremie ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] The missing quality of xwiki?
Like a Reddit engine? That would be easy to write as an xar application. I think there is already a poll application, but without the forum style and auto sort. Caleb James DeLisle Jeremie BOUSQUET wrote: Hi, 2009/9/23 Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net 1. The F in FAQ stands for frequently, so a split betwenn FAQ and QA may be useful. 2. 204 Questions without any structuring? (compare to e.g. the ant link above) 3. 73 unanwered FAQs? Re FAQ vs QA, yes we have this ambiguity. It's a wiki and people adds their questions there instead of using the mailing list/forum as mentioned on the page... OTOH if people asked themselves these questions it means others could also ask themselves the same questions so it's not too bad. I don't have any idea to improve this. Maybe it's just about defining the expectations better about what users will find on this page. I personnally would be fond of something like a voting feature. Typical usage : - I go to XWiki FAQ, look out for a question - someone already asked, but no answer : I vote for it - we could consider mosted voted questions are almost equivalent to most frequently asked questions Of course, you don't know if answered questions with no votes would have been frequently asked, because there are chances people won't vote for something already answered ... But it might remove some ambiguity. Also, I would be interested by the rating system : http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RatingSystem ;-) Regards, Jeremie ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] The missing quality of xwiki?
Hi, On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Caleb James DeLisle calebdeli...@lavabit.com wrote: Like a Reddit engine? That would be easy to write as an xar application. I think there is already a poll application, but without the forum style and auto sort. Caleb James DeLisle Jeremie BOUSQUET wrote: Hi, 2009/9/23 Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net 1. The F in FAQ stands for frequently, so a split betwenn FAQ and QA may be useful. 2. 204 Questions without any structuring? (compare to e.g. the ant link above) 3. 73 unanwered FAQs? Re FAQ vs QA, yes we have this ambiguity. It's a wiki and people adds their questions there instead of using the mailing list/forum as mentioned on the page... OTOH if people asked themselves these questions it means others could also ask themselves the same questions so it's not too bad. I don't have any idea to improve this. Maybe it's just about defining the expectations better about what users will find on this page. I personnally would be fond of something like a voting feature. Typical usage : - I go to XWiki FAQ, look out for a question - someone already asked, but no answer : I vote for it - we could consider mosted voted questions are almost equivalent to most frequently asked questions Of course, you don't know if answered questions with no votes would have been frequently asked, because there are chances people won't vote for something already answered ... But it might remove some ambiguity. Also, I would be interested by the rating system : http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RatingSystem ;-) Yep, what you're describing looks a lot like the ratings plugin. It would be great to rewrite it as a component and make it part of the default distrib but nobody has had the time to do it so far. Once activated it allows users to rate pages and then to sort pages based on their rating, it's pretty cool. Guillaume Regards, Jeremie ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] The missing quality of xwiki?
Hi anyone! Here is my transcript of trying to find out something about XWikis quaility. 1. I started at the home page. Hey looks quite good. Not too much info, main Products presented well, good navigation. Looks promising. 2. So take a look at the Products presented so prominent. Well done. Good overview about the products. 3. So what problems do people have with XWiki, lets take a look at the FAQ. What the ? We want to use Wiki for structuring Information and XWiki itself does not get a simple FAQ right? (Compare thet to http://ant.apache.org/faq.html) Hmm... maybe they got overwhelmed lately? No, latest changes date back to March of 2009. 1. The F in FAQ stands for frequently, so a split betwenn FAQ and QA may be useful. 2. 204 Questions without any structuring? (compare to e.g. the ant link above) 3. 73 unanwered FAQs? OK, so the XWiki don't care much for questions and usability? Hmmm can't believe that, lets try more. 3. So what does it feel to use xwiki? Any sandbox or demo available? Hey great, main navigation contains a Playground, lets give it a try. Reading ... second generation (sounds promising) and how to start (they guide me, good!). So lets start. Configuring your wiki by clicking on the 'Administration' link at the top right. Hmm, no Administration link, only Log-In and Register. Any info on the Log-In-Page? No. Does demo/demo work? No. Any info on the Playground-Startpage? No. Hey there is a sandbox-Space, lets dig. Hmm, no way to edit, just Menus Show and Print. Maybe problems due to a brand new update? Hmm. Need to register? Lets try. This will allow you to edit pages, once the admin gives you appropriate rights. OK, lets try nevertheless. 4. While waiting for the mail, lets explore the playground via Quick Links. Index - Hmmm, velocity errors and endless Loading ... What's New - RSS Included and my Registration is in, too. Looks good. Hmm Adminstrator changed XWikiPreferences, maybe the cause of my problems? Taking a look at the page. To edit preferences, please use the Administration page. - If I only could ... Blog - Lets add an Article - OK, needs Log-in. No Registration-EMail yet :-/ Calendar - just some velocity code on the page, no calendar. :-( Photo-Album - Yeah someone managed to upload a photo. Tags - To tag a document, edit it and enter the tags. OK, later. (No Registration-EMail yet) 2 of 6 give errors right awy, hmmm gets disappointing. 5. While waiting for the mail, lets explore the playground via What's New. Mail - Error number 4001 in 4: Error while parsing velocity page XWiki.Mail Wrapped Exception: Failed to evaluate content with id Mail JavaScriptExtension - Hmmm looks pretty empty the page, can't figure out what it is good for. StyleSheetExtension - Same here. Maybe thats part of the extensability, but where would I find Information about the Extension and how to use it? (The Information-Tab on he page does not help me.) AllDocs - Hmms same as Index, yeah it's the same page, so does not work. TreeView - even more empty than the Extension-Pages TableView - some endless loading, got bored after 2 minutes waiting for loading to complete. Hmmm, not much Information for a wiki. My question to the xwiki users mailing list and the xwiki team. Does that represent typical xwiki experience? Does that represent the quality of care of the xwiki developers? Is it worth downloading xwiki and spending more time digging into it? Somewhat disappointed but not totally scared (yet :-), Carsten Heyl ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] The missing quality of xwiki?
Hi Carsten, On Sep 23, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Carsten Heyl wrote: Hi anyone! Here is my transcript of trying to find out something about XWikis quaility. Thanks a lot for this email. I'd really really like that we receive more emails like this. It would help improve the xwiki quality a lot. 1. I started at the home page. Hey looks quite good. Not too much info, main Products presented well, good navigation. Looks promising. 2. So take a look at the Products presented so prominent. Well done. Good overview about the products. 3. So what problems do people have with XWiki, lets take a look at the FAQ. What the ? We want to use Wiki for structuring Information and XWiki itself does not get a simple FAQ right? (Compare thet to http://ant.apache.org/faq.html) Hmm... maybe they got overwhelmed lately? No, latest changes date back to March of 2009. 1. The F in FAQ stands for frequently, so a split betwenn FAQ and QA may be useful. 2. 204 Questions without any structuring? (compare to e.g. the ant link above) 3. 73 unanwered FAQs? OK, so the XWiki don't care much for questions and usability? Hmmm can't believe that, lets try more. I don't really understand the pb. I understand you'd have liked to see only a few items and ordered by category but here you have more: - more entries - ability to search for anything you want Re FAQ vs QA, yes we have this ambiguity. It's a wiki and people adds their questions there instead of using the mailing list/forum as mentioned on the page... OTOH if people asked themselves these questions it means others could also ask themselves the same questions so it's not too bad. I don't have any idea to improve this. Maybe it's just about defining the expectations better about what users will find on this page. Any help from your part here would be welcome. 3. So what does it feel to use xwiki? Any sandbox or demo available? Hey great, main navigation contains a Playground, lets give it a try. Reading ... second generation (sounds promising) and how to start (they guide me, good!). So lets start. Configuring your wiki by clicking on the 'Administration' link at the top right. Hmm, no Administration link, only Log-In and Register. Any info on the Log-In-Page? No. Does demo/demo work? No. Any info on the Playground-Startpage? No. Hey there is a sandbox-Space, lets dig. Hmm, no way to edit, just Menus Show and Print. Maybe problems due to a brand new update? Hmm. Need to register? Lets try. This will allow you to edit pages, once the admin gives you appropriate rights. OK, lets try nevertheless. 4. While waiting for the mail, lets explore the playground via Quick Links. Index - Hmmm, velocity errors and endless Loading ... What's New - RSS Included and my Registration is in, too. Looks good. Hmm Adminstrator changed XWikiPreferences, maybe the cause of my problems? Taking a look at the page. To edit preferences, please use the Administration page. - If I only could ... Blog - Lets add an Article - OK, needs Log-in. No Registration-EMail yet :-/ Calendar - just some velocity code on the page, no calendar. :-( Photo-Album - Yeah someone managed to upload a photo. Tags - To tag a document, edit it and enter the tags. OK, later. (No Registration-EMail yet) 2 of 6 give errors right awy, hmmm gets disappointing. 5. While waiting for the mail, lets explore the playground via What's New. Mail - Error number 4001 in 4: Error while parsing velocity page XWiki.Mail Wrapped Exception: Failed to evaluate content with id Mail JavaScriptExtension - Hmmm looks pretty empty the page, can't figure out what it is good for. StyleSheetExtension - Same here. Maybe thats part of the extensability, but where would I find Information about the Extension and how to use it? (The Information-Tab on he page does not help me.) AllDocs - Hmms same as Index, yeah it's the same page, so does not work. TreeView - even more empty than the Extension-Pages TableView - some endless loading, got bored after 2 minutes waiting for loading to complete. Hmmm, not much Information for a wiki. This is simply because we have upgraded the version for xwiki.org but we have forgotten to update the default wiki content for playground.xwiki.org... You caught us! We're in the midst of releasing XWiki Enterprise 2.0 today or tomorrow and we'll perform the upgrade at this point. If you're interested I'd really recommend you download XWiki Enterprise standalone version and install it on your machine. It's a 10 minutes job and will give you a better feeling for XWiki. What we need to do: - upgrade playground.xwiki.org - during that upgrade have a special box on the home page of playground.xwiki.org to explain that this is the standard wiki you get when installing XWiki and that you need to register to edit pages - fix the message on the register page that talks about a
Re: [xwiki-users] The missing quality of xwiki?
Hello Carsten, Thanks for your email, it's very valuable feedback. I will try to answer just your last question In short : Yes it's worth downloading XWiki :) You can check out what others have built with XWiki at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ You can take a look at http://www.curriki.org in particular, which demo well some of the extensibility features of XWiki. Curriki is a collaborative Web site or open educational resources, and is built using XWiki as a platform. Now, of course not everything is perfect. On usability, we've invested a lot recently on this aspect for our XWiki Enterprise product (and we will continue to do so in future releases), but certainly less on the xwiki.org web site itself, which is something I agree we have to work on as well. Again, thanks for your email. I hope you will find in XWiki what you are looking for. Regards, Jerome. Carsten Heyl wrote: Hi anyone! Here is my transcript of trying to find out something about XWikis quaility. 1. I started at the home page. Hey looks quite good. Not too much info, main Products presented well, good navigation. Looks promising. 2. So take a look at the Products presented so prominent. Well done. Good overview about the products. 3. So what problems do people have with XWiki, lets take a look at the FAQ. What the ? We want to use Wiki for structuring Information and XWiki itself does not get a simple FAQ right? (Compare thet to http://ant.apache.org/faq.html) Hmm... maybe they got overwhelmed lately? No, latest changes date back to March of 2009. 1. The F in FAQ stands for frequently, so a split betwenn FAQ and QA may be useful. 2. 204 Questions without any structuring? (compare to e.g. the ant link above) 3. 73 unanwered FAQs? OK, so the XWiki don't care much for questions and usability? Hmmm can't believe that, lets try more. 3. So what does it feel to use xwiki? Any sandbox or demo available? Hey great, main navigation contains a Playground, lets give it a try. Reading ... second generation (sounds promising) and how to start (they guide me, good!). So lets start. Configuring your wiki by clicking on the 'Administration' link at the top right. Hmm, no Administration link, only Log-In and Register. Any info on the Log-In-Page? No. Does demo/demo work? No. Any info on the Playground-Startpage? No. Hey there is a sandbox-Space, lets dig. Hmm, no way to edit, just Menus Show and Print. Maybe problems due to a brand new update? Hmm. Need to register? Lets try. This will allow you to edit pages, once the admin gives you appropriate rights. OK, lets try nevertheless. 4. While waiting for the mail, lets explore the playground via Quick Links. Index - Hmmm, velocity errors and endless Loading ... What's New - RSS Included and my Registration is in, too. Looks good. Hmm Adminstrator changed XWikiPreferences, maybe the cause of my problems? Taking a look at the page. To edit preferences, please use the Administration page. - If I only could ... Blog - Lets add an Article - OK, needs Log-in. No Registration-EMail yet :-/ Calendar - just some velocity code on the page, no calendar. :-( Photo-Album - Yeah someone managed to upload a photo. Tags - To tag a document, edit it and enter the tags. OK, later. (No Registration-EMail yet) 2 of 6 give errors right awy, hmmm gets disappointing. 5. While waiting for the mail, lets explore the playground via What's New. Mail - Error number 4001 in 4: Error while parsing velocity page XWiki.Mail Wrapped Exception: Failed to evaluate content with id Mail JavaScriptExtension - Hmmm looks pretty empty the page, can't figure out what it is good for. StyleSheetExtension - Same here. Maybe thats part of the extensability, but where would I find Information about the Extension and how to use it? (The Information-Tab on he page does not help me.) AllDocs - Hmms same as Index, yeah it's the same page, so does not work. TreeView - even more empty than the Extension-Pages TableView - some endless loading, got bored after 2 minutes waiting for loading to complete. Hmmm, not much Information for a wiki. My question to the xwiki users mailing list and the xwiki team. Does that represent typical xwiki experience? Does that represent the quality of care of the xwiki developers? Is it worth downloading xwiki and spending more time digging into it? Somewhat disappointed but not totally scared (yet :-), Carsten Heyl ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
