Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation Guide

2009-10-03 Thread Roman Friesen
> This is very nice. Please merge it with the existing
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing page by  
> making a children page of it and having it linked from the  
> Contributing page.
done ;)

Roman


Am Samstag, den 03.10.2009, 13:07 +0200 schrieb Vincent Massol:
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Roman Friesen wrote:
> 
> > am I only a person, who thinks xwiki needs something like that?
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution
> 
> This is very nice. Please merge it with the existing
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing page by  
> making a children page of it and having it linked from the  
> Contributing page.
> 
> Thanks!
> -Vincent
> 
> > Regards,
> > Roman
> >
> >
> > Am Sonntag, den 27.09.2009, 12:26 +0200 schrieb Roman Friesen:
> >> Please look at
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEMainProposal
> >>
> >> Sometimes I linked to existing pages, sometimes to new drafts/ 
> >> proposal
> >> pages. These are:
> >> - How to contribute proposal:
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEContribute
> >> - Documentation proposal:
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocMain
> >> - Documentation Guide proposal:
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution
> >> - User cookbook proposal:
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocUserCookbook
> >>
> >> Especially the Documentation Guide is very important, as it defines  
> >> the
> >> way, how the documentation should be worked on.
> >>
> >> Any feedback would be very appreciated.
> >>
> >> P.S.
> >> 1) My comments are marked as quotes and/or just with italic style.
> >> 2) I would thank www.ubuntuusers.de, where I could collect really  
> >> good
> >> documentation experience.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman
> >>
> >>
> >> Am Freitag, den 25.09.2009, 18:19 +0200 schrieb
> >> roman.frie...@ropardo.de:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> in my opinion, the current xwiki documentation is not optimal in  
> >>> many
> >>> ways:
> >>> - not well structured
> >>> - not up-to-date
> >>> - unclear where/who/how should take care about that (it's for  
> >>> everyone
> >>> editable now, but it doesn't seem to be a really good approach...)
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest to separate the final documentation and writing of  
> >>> the
> >>> documentation, for example with two spaces:
> >>> 1) final docs
> >>>   - no comments
> >>>   - editable only for the doc team
> >>> 2) staging (writing, reviewing etc.)
> >>>   - with comments
> >>>   - editable for all registered users
> >>> Among other things (quality), in this way all users can contribute  
> >>> to
> >>> the documentation without having fear to make mistakes.
> >>>
> >>> If you like, please create a staging space for the Xwiki Enterprise
> >>> documentation, then I could start with a basic structure, process
> >>> description etc.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Roman
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Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation Guide

2009-10-03 Thread Frans Thamura
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Roman Friesen wrote:
>
>> am I only a person, who thinks xwiki needs something like that?
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution
>
> This is very nice. Please merge it with the existing
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing page by
> making a children page of it and having it linked from the
> Contributing page.


how about make a Table of Content also

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Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation Guide

2009-10-03 Thread Vincent Massol
Hi Frans,

On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Frans Thamura wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Roman Friesen  wrote:
>> am I only a person, who thinks xwiki needs something like that?
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution
>
>
> to increase xwiki user, we need documentaiton to use,
>
> liferay have good documentation,
>
> i see that xwiki is to complex to learn for new user, and the gap to
> become can use, is amazingly hard

This is not helping much...

If you want to help you can:
* Tell us exactly what is missing and where, i.e. when you browsed the  
doc for a topic, tell us where you've looked, what you've tried and  
where it has failed.
* For topics for which you haven't found answer, help us improve them  
for the next person who'll need help.

Thanks
-Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation Guide

2009-10-03 Thread Vincent Massol

On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Roman Friesen wrote:

> am I only a person, who thinks xwiki needs something like that?
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution

This is very nice. Please merge it with the existing
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing page by  
making a children page of it and having it linked from the  
Contributing page.

Thanks!
-Vincent

> Regards,
> Roman
>
>
> Am Sonntag, den 27.09.2009, 12:26 +0200 schrieb Roman Friesen:
>> Please look at
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEMainProposal
>>
>> Sometimes I linked to existing pages, sometimes to new drafts/ 
>> proposal
>> pages. These are:
>> - How to contribute proposal:
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEContribute
>> - Documentation proposal:
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocMain
>> - Documentation Guide proposal:
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution
>> - User cookbook proposal:
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocUserCookbook
>>
>> Especially the Documentation Guide is very important, as it defines  
>> the
>> way, how the documentation should be worked on.
>>
>> Any feedback would be very appreciated.
>>
>> P.S.
>> 1) My comments are marked as quotes and/or just with italic style.
>> 2) I would thank www.ubuntuusers.de, where I could collect really  
>> good
>> documentation experience.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman
>>
>>
>> Am Freitag, den 25.09.2009, 18:19 +0200 schrieb
>> roman.frie...@ropardo.de:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> in my opinion, the current xwiki documentation is not optimal in  
>>> many
>>> ways:
>>> - not well structured
>>> - not up-to-date
>>> - unclear where/who/how should take care about that (it's for  
>>> everyone
>>> editable now, but it doesn't seem to be a really good approach...)
>>>
>>> I would suggest to separate the final documentation and writing of  
>>> the
>>> documentation, for example with two spaces:
>>> 1) final docs
>>>   - no comments
>>>   - editable only for the doc team
>>> 2) staging (writing, reviewing etc.)
>>>   - with comments
>>>   - editable for all registered users
>>> Among other things (quality), in this way all users can contribute  
>>> to
>>> the documentation without having fear to make mistakes.
>>>
>>> If you like, please create a staging space for the Xwiki Enterprise
>>> documentation, then I could start with a basic structure, process
>>> description etc.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Roman
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Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation Guide

2009-10-03 Thread Frans Thamura
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Roman Friesen  wrote:
> am I only a person, who thinks xwiki needs something like that?
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XEDocContribution


to increase xwiki user, we need documentaiton to use,

liferay have good documentation,

i see that xwiki is to complex to learn for new user, and the gap to
become can use, is amazingly hard

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