Re: [USRP-users] Standalone signal generator on B205mini

[Ian Buckley via USRP-users]

To activate TX streaming in the radio without modifying UHD you are going to 
have to supply some type of TX sample stream to the USRP. It can be at pretty 
much any rate and can be completely discarded after it’s depacketized and the 
corresponding ACK’s returned to the Host. The rate it’s sent by UHD to the USRP 
is paced entirely on how fast you accept the data into the radio…in a normal 
USRP the back pressure created by the interpolation logic programming from 
sample_rate to radio_clk, throttles the USB TX data rate via the ACK’s 
returning to the Host. Thus if you discard TX data at the entry to the radio 
very slowly (10’s-100’s KiloSample/Sec) then you will only use a very small 
part of the available USB bandwidth for this dummy sample stream. You will be 
free to generate your own TX data in custom H/W at the full radio_clk, or 
fraction there of. If you want to test your USB bandwidth then configure a UHD 
USRP Source for your application RX sample rate (preferably doing some type of 
representative CPU processing on the host to simulate your application load) 
and a UHD USRP sink driven from a constant source for the minimum possible TX 
sample rate …if there are no overflows/underflows then likely you have a viable 
approach to your design problem.

Are you wanting to generate the pulses at a fixed interval or intermittently? 
Even if you want to generate a very fast pulse train from your signal generator 
logic, you could use the TX stream as a low data rate “enable” or “trigger” 
stream…it would be an easy way to gain control over pulse timing etc without 
creating new programming registers inside the USRP that need host interaction.

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:07 AM, Justo Ramos, Diego  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ian,
>  
> I want a continuous TX  of a generated signal, because I want to use the USB 
> exclusively for RX. I don't know if I can configure by UHD this option at 
> first time, without sending data all time and modifying the input TX data of 
> the b205_io block with my desired signal. Is this option of configuration 
> possible? I think that with that option I could accomplish the 3 tips that 
> you wrote.
>  
> Thanks for your answer.
>  
> Regards,
> Diego
>  
> De: Ian Buckley mailto:i...@ionconcepts.com>> 
> Enviado el: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:50 AM
> Para: Justo Ramos, Diego mailto:dju...@indra.es>>
> CC: usrp-users  <mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>>
> Asunto: Re: [USRP-users] Standalone signal generator on B205mini
>  
> I can’t give you a specific solution Diego because there are a lot of things 
> here that *could* be the issue.
> However in general my tips for hacking fast custom B2xx FPGA images are:
> 1) Do it in such a way that UHD can not tell you changed the FPGA.
> i.e All register transactions should work as expected from the perspective of 
> UHD (Understand though it doesn’t “know” if the transaction did what it 
> expected, only that it got an acknowledgement)
> If you want to transmit then still send a sample stream to the USRP even if 
> you discard it after it is acknowledged by the USRP (It can be a much lower 
> sample rate than your custom logic outputs, you control radio_clk directly 
> with master_clock_rate, sample rate controls the interpolation ratio down 
> from radio_clk)
> 2) Use the driver functionality of UHD to control all the H/W. Really you 
> don’t want to debug driver style code if you are in a hurry, especially the 
> transceiver.
> 3) Don't touch the logic that interfaces immediately to the FPGA pins so as 
> too preserve off-chip timing…a lot of work went into qualifying that.
> -Ian
>  
> On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Justo Ramos, Diego via USRP-users 
> mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hello all, 
>  
> I have an B205mini board and I'm interested in modifying the internal TX 
> block of the FPGA, to be an standalone signal generator.
>  
> I created a custom block that generates a signal, in this case a pulse 
> generator, with the two components of 12 bits for I and Q. Then I connect 
> these two components into  b205_io's tx_i0 y rx_i0. I use the radio_clk as 
> clock to generate samples of the signal. 
>  
> Finally I remake the binary files of the FPGA and I reprogram the B205mini, 
> but when I use the Spectrum Analyzer I don't have any signal  on the TX 
> frequency.
>  
> I don't know if I have to change the clock for generation of samples or 
> activate another signal. Could someone give me an advice to achieve custom 
> transmission from the FPGA?
>  
> Thanks you.
>  
> Best regards,
> Diego
>  
> 
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Re: [USRP-users] Standalone signal generator on B205mini

[Justo Ramos, Diego via USRP-users]

Hello Ian,

I want a continuous TX  of a generated signal, because I want to use the USB 
exclusively for RX. I don't know if I can configure by UHD this option at first 
time, without sending data all time and modifying the input TX data of the 
b205_io block with my desired signal. Is this option of configuration possible? 
I think that with that option I could accomplish the 3 tips that you wrote.

Thanks for your answer.

Regards,
Diego

De: Ian Buckley 
Enviado el: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:50 AM
Para: Justo Ramos, Diego 
CC: usrp-users 
Asunto: Re: [USRP-users] Standalone signal generator on B205mini

I can’t give you a specific solution Diego because there are a lot of things 
here that *could* be the issue.
However in general my tips for hacking fast custom B2xx FPGA images are:
1) Do it in such a way that UHD can not tell you changed the FPGA.
i.e All register transactions should work as expected from the perspective of 
UHD (Understand though it doesn’t “know” if the transaction did what it 
expected, only that it got an acknowledgement)
If you want to transmit then still send a sample stream to the USRP even if you 
discard it after it is acknowledged by the USRP (It can be a much lower sample 
rate than your custom logic outputs, you control radio_clk directly with 
master_clock_rate, sample rate controls the interpolation ratio down from 
radio_clk)
2) Use the driver functionality of UHD to control all the H/W. Really you don’t 
want to debug driver style code if you are in a hurry, especially the 
transceiver.
3) Don't touch the logic that interfaces immediately to the FPGA pins so as too 
preserve off-chip timing…a lot of work went into qualifying that.
-Ian

On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Justo Ramos, Diego via USRP-users 
mailto:usrp-users@lists.ettus.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

I have an B205mini board and I'm interested in modifying the internal TX block 
of the FPGA, to be an standalone signal generator.

I created a custom block that generates a signal, in this case a pulse 
generator, with the two components of 12 bits for I and Q. Then I connect these 
two components into  b205_io's tx_i0 y rx_i0. I use the radio_clk as clock to 
generate samples of the signal.

Finally I remake the binary files of the FPGA and I reprogram the B205mini, but 
when I use the Spectrum Analyzer I don't have any signal  on the TX frequency.

I don't know if I have to change the clock for generation of samples or 
activate another signal. Could someone give me an advice to achieve custom 
transmission from the FPGA?

Thanks you.

Best regards,
Diego



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Re: [USRP-users] Standalone signal generator on B205mini

[Ian Buckley via USRP-users]

I can’t give you a specific solution Diego because there are a lot of things 
here that *could* be the issue.
However in general my tips for hacking fast custom B2xx FPGA images are:
1) Do it in such a way that UHD can not tell you changed the FPGA.
i.e All register transactions should work as expected from the perspective of 
UHD (Understand though it doesn’t “know” if the transaction did what it 
expected, only that it got an acknowledgement)
If you want to transmit then still send a sample stream to the USRP even if you 
discard it after it is acknowledged by the USRP (It can be a much lower sample 
rate than your custom logic outputs, you control radio_clk directly with 
master_clock_rate, sample rate controls the interpolation ratio down from 
radio_clk)
2) Use the driver functionality of UHD to control all the H/W. Really you don’t 
want to debug driver style code if you are in a hurry, especially the 
transceiver.
3) Don't touch the logic that interfaces immediately to the FPGA pins so as too 
preserve off-chip timing…a lot of work went into qualifying that.
-Ian

> On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Justo Ramos, Diego via USRP-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, 
>  
> I have an B205mini board and I'm interested in modifying the internal TX 
> block of the FPGA, to be an standalone signal generator.
>  
> I created a custom block that generates a signal, in this case a pulse 
> generator, with the two components of 12 bits for I and Q. Then I connect 
> these two components into  b205_io's tx_i0 y rx_i0. I use the radio_clk as 
> clock to generate samples of the signal. 
>  
> Finally I remake the binary files of the FPGA and I reprogram the B205mini, 
> but when I use the Spectrum Analyzer I don't have any signal  on the TX 
> frequency.
>  
> I don't know if I have to change the clock for generation of samples or 
> activate another signal. Could someone give me an advice to achieve custom 
> transmission from the FPGA?
>  
> Thanks you.
>  
> Best regards,
> Diego
> 
> 
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[USRP-users] Standalone signal generator on B205mini

[Justo Ramos, Diego via USRP-users]

Hello all,

I have an B205mini board and I'm interested in modifying the internal TX block 
of the FPGA, to be an standalone signal generator.

I created a custom block that generates a signal, in this case a pulse 
generator, with the two components of 12 bits for I and Q. Then I connect these 
two components into  b205_io's tx_i0 y rx_i0. I use the radio_clk as clock to 
generate samples of the signal.

Finally I remake the binary files of the FPGA and I reprogram the B205mini, but 
when I use the Spectrum Analyzer I don't have any signal  on the TX frequency.

I don't know if I have to change the clock for generation of samples or 
activate another signal. Could someone give me an advice to achieve custom 
transmission from the FPGA?

Thanks you.

Best regards,
Diego



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