Re: [Uta] IDNA in UTA

2023-03-26 Thread Salz, Rich
> Thanks! Yes, if the issue is to be settled, rfc6125bis is not the best
battle ground.

Nicely put, thanks.

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Re: [Uta] IDNA in UTA

2023-03-26 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 04:34:15PM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote:

> I think I will not raise any objection to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis. I
> might write a different draft that says "all of the IETF IDNA documents are
> misleading, the internet runs on UTS-46", but that is not specific to this
> draft.

Thanks!  Yes, if the issue is to be settled, rfc6125bis is not the best
battle ground.

> You can inspect the problem here:
> https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/idna.jsp

Note that the example there is dated.  In each of Firefox, Safari and
Chrome faß.de is not "fass.de" (compatibility mode), but rather
"xn--fa-hia.de".

Yes, the Internet seems to run on UTS-46, but with compatibility mode
disabled.  So emoji, ... "work", but the compatibility crutches have
largely been removed.

https://xn--ls8h.la

-- 
Viktor.

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[Uta] IDNA in UTA

2023-03-26 Thread Rob Sayre
Hi all,

I think I will not raise any objection to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis. I
might write a different draft that says "all of the IETF IDNA documents are
misleading, the internet runs on UTS-46", but that is not specific to this
draft.

You can inspect the problem here:
https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/idna.jsp

It's not difficult to predict the winner, imho, but reasonable people can
disagree.

I think this PR is good:
https://github.com/richsalz/draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis/pull/88

in the sense that there is nothing technically wrong, and it is
well-written (not my work).

What a pain. Of course, you do have to know about this problem to use TLS
in applications, but I think I'm in the rough here.

thanks,
Rob
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