Re: [Vala] [Genie] Growing the community (Al Thomas)
Hi Gontzal, txasatonga writes: Hello Al!! Now I'm trying to write SDL2.0 vapi for Vala and Genie. With the help of Tarnyko maybe we can port it to Android /IOs... See it on gitorius to:http://gitorious.org/sdl-2-0-vala-vapi I think you're overestimating my capacity to work on multiple projects at one time, but yes it would be nice ;-). BTW I made a more complete answer to your comment on my blog : http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=comment/2725#comment-2725 Regards, Gontzal. ___ vala-list mailing list vala-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/vala-list
Re: [Vala] Worried about the state of Genie
Thank you for your suggestion, but I don't have time to support yet another free software project at the moment. (A contribute to and manage over 20 projects.) My contributions have been in promoting Genie by giving talks about it, as well as opening many bugs. I'm willing to help in testing bug fixes. As for it being "not very difficult", I'm delighted to hear that, but unfortunately it does seems difficult, not in terms of programming, but in terms of project management. But we've had serious bugs languishing for more than a year, and there's no clear plan to fix them or continue supporting Genie in the future. I'm dismayed by the responses here. There's doesn't seem to be anyone taking leadership on this issue. For myself, I've decided to abandon Genie unless there is a major structural change in terms of managing it. I will now need to do the hard work of converting my Genie projects to Vala. :( On 09/08/2013 03:48 PM, Jürg Billeter wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-08 at 14:22 +0800, Tal Liron wrote: After some thinking, I want to make this suggestion: Jamie, or anyone else, would it be possible to write a tool to translate Genie files to Vala? I imagine this would not be too hard with the current Genie parser code. This would allow those of us who invested a lot in Genie an easy transition into the mainline. We would just say that Genie was a brave, terrific experiment that ultimately failed. It wouldn't be extremely difficult to generate working Vala code. The existing valac --dump-tree=foo.vala functionality is not very far away. However, even if that was fixed to produce working Vala code, the generated code wouldn't be ideal: everything in a single source file, no code comments, lower level looping constructs and conditionals, extra temporary variables, and maybe more. I agree with Luca that it would be easier to improve the Genie parser. It's written in Vala but it's not very difficult to make changes as it's a handwritten parser. Copying a syntactic element from Vala may sometimes be as simple as copying a method from valaparser.vala to valagenieparser.vala. The Vala parser is not being modified frequently these days (two commits this year so far), so it wouldn't require a big effort to stay in sync. If you'd like to continue using Genie, I'd suggest to consider working a bit on the Genie parser yourself. Regards, Jürg ___ vala-list mailing list vala-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/vala-list
Re: [Vala] Worried about the state of Genie
On Sun, 2013-09-08 at 14:22 +0800, Tal Liron wrote: > After some thinking, I want to make this suggestion: Jamie, or anyone > else, would it be possible to write a tool to translate Genie files to > Vala? I imagine this would not be too hard with the current Genie parser > code. This would allow those of us who invested a lot in Genie an easy > transition into the mainline. We would just say that Genie was a brave, > terrific experiment that ultimately failed. It wouldn't be extremely difficult to generate working Vala code. The existing valac --dump-tree=foo.vala functionality is not very far away. However, even if that was fixed to produce working Vala code, the generated code wouldn't be ideal: everything in a single source file, no code comments, lower level looping constructs and conditionals, extra temporary variables, and maybe more. I agree with Luca that it would be easier to improve the Genie parser. It's written in Vala but it's not very difficult to make changes as it's a handwritten parser. Copying a syntactic element from Vala may sometimes be as simple as copying a method from valaparser.vala to valagenieparser.vala. The Vala parser is not being modified frequently these days (two commits this year so far), so it wouldn't require a big effort to stay in sync. If you'd like to continue using Genie, I'd suggest to consider working a bit on the Genie parser yourself. Regards, Jürg ___ vala-list mailing list vala-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/vala-list
Re: [Vala] Worried about the state of Genie
It would be easier to add the newer syntax to Genie and keep supporting it rather than creating a tool translating from Genie to Vala. Syntax changes are done rarely (one or two in a year). It's only about syncing Genie once in a while. The Genie code is so small that I'm sure any Genie programmer is able to sync the language. ___ vala-list mailing list vala-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/vala-list
