Re: [Veritas-bu] DSU - Update

2006-09-11 Thread Dean
Simon,

Firstly, have you tuned SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS_DISK and NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS_DISK? 

Other than that, performance management when writing backups to disk is very different to tape. Writing multiple streams to a single DSU or volume group can work well, until you hit a magical threshold and suddenly performance dives through the floor. Although writing a backup to disk is a sequential write operation, if you write more than one stream in parallel, it suddenly becomes random writes from the disk subsystem's perspective, which can have major performance implications.


You also need to look at what other activity is happening in the EVA at the time, and particular on the same volume set (or RAID set, or whatever terminolgy is used). You could also look at performance on the disk controller/s and interface/s.


Aside from all that,you've got your work cut out trying to get any disk to outperform an LTO3 (performing sequential writes). Despite what various vendors tell you, tape is very well suited to backup workloads. It was designed for it! Backing up to disk is better suited to slower clients that can't send data to the media server fast enough to keep the tape drive streaming.

That's all my opinion, and I might be a bit biased ;)

Cheers,
Dean

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All
I have been testing DSU backups, and must admit I have not been impressed with the throughput to disk.

I ran a particular job over the weekend. Setup as follows:

LAN Client normally takes 2-3hours via Tape LTO3 HP ESL
Created a Disk on my Master Server
Configured a DSU with phase 2
Set the policy to use the newly created storage unit.
Let the backup run.

The backup took 4 hours (just over). However, writing to tape (I guess when it does its duplication) took under 1 hour.

The Disk that was presented to my Master is a VDISK from a HP EVA using Fibre SCSI disks. Essentially the HP EVA is a large SAN, and you can create volumes and present them to a specific Server.


Have I missed something here, or is it a case that my Tape Setup (that is all fibre channel connected) is actually running better than I thought.


Thanks

Regards
Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 
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[Veritas-bu] Image report

2006-09-11 Thread Clooney, David
Morning All

I have been asked to put a report together detailing all the valid
images in an environment.

So what I have done is performed a bpimagelist since 1970 to date using
the idonly , option to extract every backupid on the system. Once this
is retrieved I then perform a separate bpimagelist per backupid and
extract the Info to append to a formatted output report.

Two questions really ...

1. Due to the number of images this report can take up to 3.5 hours ,
can anyone think of a quicker way of doing this.

2. When I produce the original list the list is approx 3500 images. By
the time the report finishes the report has reported on nearly 600
images less than the total 3500. Initially I thought there was a simple
explanation i.e. during the time the report was running , images where
expiring but this doesn't seem to be the case . I seem to remember a
utility whereas you can clean up the catalog ?

Regards

Dave



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[Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Ganapathy G
Recently I Installed Netbackup 6.0 MP3 in our environment with the following architecture. 1 Master Server and 2 Media Server. I am taking file server backup
of Mapped Drive of SAN with 730 GB of Data. This is the same server in which Media Server is attached . I am having LTO 3 Robotic Library with 28 Slots (HP MSP 6000 Model). The Backup takes 30 Hours to finish entire 730GB at7000 KB/ Sec (6MB/Sec) of data and i tried all the performance tuning mentioned in Netbackup guide. Nothing worked. Anybody does the tuning and any suggestion to reduce my backup windows

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Ed Wilts
On 9/11/2006 6:34 AM, Ganapathy G wrote:
 Recently I Installed Netbackup 6.0 MP3 in our environment with the 
 following architecture.  1 Master Server and 2  Media Server. I am 
 taking file server backup
 of Mapped Drive of SAN with 730 GB of Data. This is the same server in 
 which Media Server is attached . I am having LTO 3 Robotic Library with 
 28 Slots (HP MSP 6000 Model). The Backup takes 30 Hours to finish entire 
 730GB at 7000 KB/ Sec (6MB/Sec)  of data and i tried all the performance 
 tuning mentioned in Netbackup guide.  Nothing worked. Anybody does the 
 tuning and any suggestion to reduce my backup windows

Do you have lots and lots of small files or large files?  If you have a 
lot of small files, then you may need to look at something like 
FlashBackup to improve your performance.

You said you've tried everything in the tuning guide so there's not much 
else for us to recommend.

.../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU vs Legato

2006-09-11 Thread Shyam Hazari
Chris,

What do you think of the support from Legato compared to NBU ?

-Shyam
On 9/11/06, Christian Sønder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,I jused to administrate a 350+ client Legato setup, and for the past 2½ years I have been part of administrate a 1200+ client NBU setup - my experience is :
Legato :+ : much better at handling backup to disk, can backup multiple instances on MS-SQL server with a single command, much better security on who can administrate AND from where, better debuging of why a client isn't running (savegrp -Envvvc), can handle tape write errors (NBU restarts at last checkpoint or restart entire job if database backup - thats BAD)
- : uses alot of ports, 7937-9936 + 1-3, not the best report utility, though mminfo can do pretty much everything u need, poor silo handling (need to import media when u recreate a Silo (haven't seen the new 7.3
 which should be able to edit a silo), if a group is running u cant restart another client in that groupNBU :+ : max streams pr. tapedevice, Java GUI is OK, good silo handling, can upgrade (unix) clients from CLI at master
- : lousy at writing to disk, bad catalog (use a DB instead, like NBU6.0), when moving a client fra from group/policy to another u get a full backup at next run, exclude/include list is locatedclient side,Thats just top of my head on a Monday morning - I would like to get comments other suggestions/differnces between the two products :)
Best regardsChristian Sonder-Oprindelig meddelelse-Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] På vegne af Philip McDougalSendt: 8. september 2006 16:40Til: Daniel Teklu; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Emne: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU vs LegatoI too would like to see this and/or also a comparison to CommVault.I am new to NBU after working with Legato for 6 years and at the moment,I find Legato to be much easier to administrate with much less hardware
and it performed better.However, the latest version of Legato (7.3) isjust as buggy as 6.0.I think both companies pushed out the latestrelease way too early but felt compelled to do so with the competitive
market pressures.One thing I like with NBU is the out of the box reporting features.Legato is getting better (and there are free utilities out there thathelp) but they still have a way to go.Thanks!
PM.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU vs Legato

2006-09-11 Thread Christian Sønder



Hi,

Before I had support through a reseller here in Denamrk, 
called ProAct systems, that worked beatifully - the few times I had to speak 
with support, I talked to Cedric Junker and got the answers i needed 
fast

Today I talk to support with Symantec, primarily UK, they 
get the problems solved, but sometimes it takes a while to get over the 
who-are-u-and-what-kind-of-system-do-u-have. When u get through there telefone 
queue and irritating music and a engineer gets assigned to a case, then a 
solution quickly comes :)

Conclussion - same-same, minor differences when the 
problems u almost everytime opens, is bugs and things that dosen't work as they 
are supposed to :)

Best regards

Christian



Fra: Shyam Hazari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sendt: 11. september 2006 14:29Til: Christian 
SønderCc: Philip McDougal; Daniel Teklu; 
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduEmne: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU vs 
Legato

Chris,

What do you think of the support from Legato compared to NBU ?

-Shyam
On 9/11/06, Christian 
Sønder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Hi,I 
  jused to administrate a 350+ client Legato setup, and for the past 2½ years I 
  have been part of administrate a 1200+ client NBU setup - my experience is : 
  Legato :+ : much better at handling backup to disk, can backup 
  multiple instances on MS-SQL server with a single command, much better 
  security on who can administrate AND from where, better debuging of why a 
  client isn't running (savegrp -Envvvc), can handle tape write errors (NBU 
  restarts at last checkpoint or restart entire job if database backup - thats 
  BAD) - : uses alot of ports, 7937-9936 + 1-3, not the best report 
  utility, though mminfo can do pretty much everything u need, poor silo 
  handling (need to import media when u recreate a Silo (haven't seen the new 
  7.3 which should be able to edit a silo), if a group is running u cant restart 
  another client in that groupNBU :+ : max streams pr. tapedevice, 
  Java GUI is OK, good silo handling, can upgrade (unix) clients from CLI at 
  master - : lousy at writing to disk, bad catalog (use a DB instead, like 
  NBU6.0), when moving a client fra from group/policy to another u get a full 
  backup at next run, exclude/include list is locatedclient 
  side,Thats just top of my head on a Monday morning - I would like to 
  get comments other suggestions/differnces between the two products :) 
  Best regardsChristian Sonder-Oprindelig 
  meddelelse-Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]] På vegne af Philip 
  McDougalSendt: 8. september 2006 16:40Til: Daniel Teklu; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduEmne: 
  Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU vs LegatoI too would like to see this and/or also 
  a comparison to CommVault.I am new to NBU after working with Legato 
  for 6 years and at the moment,I find Legato to be much easier to 
  administrate with much less hardware and it performed 
  better.However, the latest version of Legato (7.3) isjust as 
  buggy as 6.0.I think both companies pushed out the 
  latestrelease way too early but felt compelled to do so with the 
  competitive market pressures.One thing I like with NBU is the out 
  of the box reporting features.Legato is getting better (and there are free 
  utilities out there thathelp) but they still have a way to 
  go.Thanks! PM.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: 
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  DanielTekluSent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:41 AMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: 
  [Veritas-bu] NBU vs Legato Does any one have NBU vs Legato comparison 
  docs? I have worked with NBUin the past but not with Legato. At my new 
  pos. we need to upgrade theNBU env. I just want good reasons why we should 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup catalog migration

2006-09-11 Thread Dariusz Klar
Thanks for all your responses :-)

It looks like I have to get it all together. Probably I will have
to install NBU 5.X server only for NetBackup catalog conversion purposes.

regards,

Darek Klar

WEAVER, Simon napisał(a):
 You need to go from 5.x and then to 6.0

 There is no way to upgrade from 4.5 directly - unless Symantec have changed
 the rules.


   

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[Veritas-bu] Flashbackup and Database clients

2006-09-11 Thread Karl . Rossing

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[Veritas-bu] NBU and VMWare

2006-09-11 Thread Oleg Ivanov
Hello Everyone!

For those who have NBU 5.x/6.x and ESX VMWare server, I was wondering if you 
would share your backup and recovery strategy for the ESX server. Especially, 
what is your plan to recover the ESX server in the event of total loss? How do 
you backup virtual instances/partitions, cold/hot? What is your performance 
experience when you have a NBU agent installed on virtual partition? Any other 
tips and suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Kind regards,

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646-296-0002
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Flashbackup and Database clients

2006-09-11 Thread Shyam Hazari
Flashbackups will help if you havemillions of small files.

-Shyam
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU and VMWare

2006-09-11 Thread Koster, Phil
We don't back up the guest OS on the VM's.  We just back up the ESX servers 
themselves and get the vmdk's etc.  Our VM storage is also on the SAN though so 
performance hit is nearly undetectable (we use the backups from the SAN rather 
than the ESX servers, that way all we back up on the ESX servers is the ESX OS 
itself).  

But our VM strategy is also a little different than some.  We only virtualize 
the minor servers.  Things like WSUS that can be rebuilt and any data loss is 
of little consequence.  We do also have a few DFS servers virtualized but 
again, those are easily rebuilt.  Their storage is a LUN on our SAN.  This 
makes it almost useless/pointless to run NBU on the guest OS.  We have done it 
before but and there is a noticeable performance hit for that VM (which can 
affect the whole thing if your ESX server is not properly set up for such 
activities) so we just don't do it. We have had issues virtualizing servers 
that have high disk I/O (like major file servers, e-mail servers, etc).  Disk 
I/O being the bottle neck of most any system, this is kind of understandable.  
Thus we don't virtualize anything like that.  Which is another performance 
factor with backing up the guest OS.  Because of the disk I/O problem alone, I 
would be very careful with backing up guest OS's making sure not t!
o multi stream from too many VM's on the same ESX server.

And we always do it hot.  Our VM's run 24x7.  The only exceptions are for 
scheduled maintenance which doesn't happen here near as much as it should.

We run NBU 6 MP2 from a Win 2K Server, BTW.  

I would also review the linked PDF if I were you.

http://www.vmware.com/pdf/ESXBackup.pdf#search=%22How%20to%20backup%20VMWare%20ESX%22
 


Phil Koster
Network Administrator
City of Grand Rapids
Direct: 616-456-3136
Helpdesk: 456-3999

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To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU and VMWare

Hello Everyone!

For those who have NBU 5.x/6.x and ESX VMWare server, I was wondering if you 
would share your backup and recovery strategy for the ESX server. Especially, 
what is your plan to recover the ESX server in the event of total loss? How do 
you backup virtual instances/partitions, cold/hot? What is your performance 
experience when you have a NBU agent installed on virtual partition? Any other 
tips and suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Flashbackup and Database clients

2006-09-11 Thread Paul Keating
Title: Message



AND 
your filesystem is "mostly" used.

ie, 
you wouldn't want to use flashbackup on a 1TB filesystem that only has 100Gig of 
data on it.

Paul
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  Flashbackup and Database clients
  Flashbackups will help if you havemillions of small files.
  
  -Shyam
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Major, Rusty



You can try to break up the sets of data into multiple 
streams to get the speed up. For example:New Stream
M:\directory1\
M:\directory2\
New Stream
M:\directory3\
New Stream
M:\directory4\

and so on. Of course you'd need to do some research and 
make sure that you divide up the streams into even chunks of data. You can also 
use wildcards if your directory structure is large. Review the Manuals for more 
info on using multiple streams and wildcards.

You also said that this is a Media Server. Have you 
presented tape drives to this server and setup a storage unit? If so, is the 
policy using this storage unit? The speeds you've stated lead me to believe that 
the backup is occurring over the network instead of SCSI or FC. Taking advantage 
of a storage unit on this media server will be your biggest increase in speed if 
you aren't doing that already.

-Rusty


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ganapathy 
GSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:34 AMTo: 
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 
Performance Very Slow

Recently I Installed Netbackup 6.0 MP3 in our environment with the 
following architecture. 1 Master Server and 2 Media Server. I am 
taking file server backup
of Mapped Drive of SAN with 730 GB of Data. This is the same server in 
which Media Server is attached . I am having LTO 3 Robotic Library with 28 Slots 
(HP MSP 6000 Model). The Backup takes 30 Hours to finish entire 730GB 
at7000 KB/ Sec (6MB/Sec) of data and i tried all the performance 
tuning mentioned in Netbackup guide. Nothing worked. Anybody does the 
tuning and any suggestion to reduce my backup windows 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Jorgensen, Bill



Just thinking out loud...

I echo Ed Wilts inquiry about file size. If you have 
millions of small files that will slow you down 
substantially.

Have you checked for overall network throughput? 
Specifically, would you be able to verify that the NIC is set to 10/100/1000 
(whatever you line speed is) full duplex. Duplex mismatches cause headaches. 
Speed reductions do to. We have had speed reductions on the swich port on two 
separate occasions after bouncing the switch. You can verify duplex mismatch on 
your end (if you are working with a UNIX client) by checking for collisions or 
errors with outgoing packets.

Good luck,

Bill


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GSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:34 AMTo: 
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Performance Very Slow

Recently I Installed Netbackup 6.0 MP3 in our environment with the 
following architecture. 1 Master Server and 2 Media Server. I am 
taking file server backup
of Mapped Drive of SAN with 730 GB of Data. This is the same server in 
which Media Server is attached . I am having LTO 3 Robotic Library with 28 Slots 
(HP MSP 6000 Model). The Backup takes 30 Hours to finish entire 730GB 
at7000 KB/ Sec (6MB/Sec) of data and i tried all the performance 
tuning mentioned in Netbackup guide. Nothing worked. Anybody does the 
tuning and any suggestion to reduce my backup windows 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Dave








G. 



If this is all SAN attached i.e. the disk
is on the SAN attached to the Media Server and the LTO3 are on the SAN and
attached to the Media Server, you should be seeing single stream performance of
at least 15MB/sec at the minimum. 



Since you are only seeing 6MB/sec that
sounds more like you are on 100Mbit LAN connection trying to back up to the LTO3
drives but I may be wrong. 



You can try using multiple streams of data
but that may or may not help depending on how the disk was laid out. You could
end up overloading the disk controllers if you set up too many streams on a partition
that is only comprised of 2 or 3 drives. 



Performance tuning (increasing buffers and
sizes) can give you about 10% better back up speed, but if you are only getting
6MB/sec then something is seriously wrong with your hardware strategy. Also,
you dont mention if this is Windows or Unix. This can affect your speed
as well (Windows is traditionally slower per stream) but even with Windows you should
be getting 15  20MB/sec per stream if your hardware will support it. 



Cheers, 



d. 















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Recently I Installed Netbackup 6.0 MP3 in our environment with the
following architecture. 1 Master Server and 2 Media Server. I am
taking file server backup





of Mapped Drive of SAN with 730 GB of Data. This is the same server in
which Media Server is attached . I am having LTO 3 Robotic Library with 28
Slots (HP MSP 6000 Model). The Backup takes 30 Hours to finish entire 730GB
at7000 KB/ Sec (6MB/Sec) of data and i tried all the performance
tuning mentioned in Netbackup guide. Nothing worked. Anybody does the
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)



You can also run bpkar32 to see how fast the Netbackup 
executable can read the data off your disks. This will eliminate the whole 
network / media server versus local bottleneck argument.

http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/242918.htm

-Jonathan


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G. 


If this is all SAN 
attached i.e. the disk is on the SAN attached to the Media Server and the LTO3 
are on the SAN and attached to the Media Server, you should be seeing single 
stream performance of at least 15MB/sec at the minimum. 


Since you are only 
seeing 6MB/sec that sounds more like you are on 100Mbit LAN connection trying to 
back up to the LTO3 drives but I may be wrong. 

You can try using 
multiple streams of data but that may or may not help depending on how the disk 
was laid out. You could end up overloading the disk controllers if you set up 
too many streams on a partition that is only comprised of 2 or 3 drives. 


Performance tuning 
(increasing buffers and sizes) can give you about 10% better back up speed, but 
if you are only getting 6MB/sec then something is seriously wrong with your 
hardware strategy. Also, you dont mention if this is Windows or Unix. This can 
affect your speed as well (Windows is traditionally slower per stream) but even 
with Windows you should be getting 15  20MB/sec per stream if your hardware 
will support it. 

Cheers, 


d. 








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Performance Very Slow


Recently I Installed Netbackup 6.0 MP3 in our 
environment with the following architecture. 1 Master Server and 2 
Media Server. I am taking file server backup

of Mapped Drive of SAN with 730 GB of Data. This is the 
same server in which Media Server is attached . I am having LTO 3 Robotic 
Library with 28 Slots (HP MSP 6000 Model). The Backup takes 30 Hours to finish 
entire 730GB at7000 KB/ Sec (6MB/Sec) of data and i tried all the 
performance tuning mentioned in Netbackup guide. Nothing worked. Anybody 
does the tuning and any suggestion to reduce my backup windows 

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[Veritas-bu] Policy Info

2006-09-11 Thread Dustin D'Amour








Im think I have a something major wrong, the strange
errors that was posted last week might be a result of some corruption. 



How do I check from command line (using Linux) to see what a
policy attributes are? Most of all I want to verify that the Catalog backup
was done and where it is stored.





Dustin D'Amour

Coyote Solutions Group

505.742.0066

www.coyotesolutions.com



Relax...it's
just an update for the patch to fix the nerf that nerfed the fix for the update
of the patch that broke the fix that was fixed. --Unkown



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Policy Info

2006-09-11 Thread Paul Keating
Title: Message



bppllist: [policy name] 
[-L|-l|-U] [-verbose] 
[-allpolicies] [-M 
master_server,...,master_server] 
[-hwos] [-byclient client] 
[-keyword "keyword phrase"]

Paul


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  Info
  
  Im think I have a something major 
  wrong, the strange errors that was posted last week might be a result of some 
  corruption. 
  
  How do I check from command line 
  (using Linux) to see what a policy attributes are? Most of all I want to 
  verify that the Catalog backup was done and where it is 
  stored.
  
  
  Dustin 
  D'Amour
  Coyote Solutions 
  Group
  505.742.0066
  www.coyotesolutions.com
  
  "Relax...it's just an update for 
  the patch to fix the nerf that nerfed the fix for the update of the patch that 
  broke the fix that was fixed." 
  --Unkown
  
  "...Be not 
  afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some 
  have greatness thrust upon them." --William 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Policy Info

2006-09-11 Thread Dustin D'Amour
Title: Message








Thanks Paul, 



It appears I have to reinstall NetBackup 6
and restore the catalog. 





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505.742.0066

www.coyotesolutions.com



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bppllist: [policy name]
[-L|-l|-U] [-verbose] [-allpolicies]
 [-M
master_server,...,master_server]
 [-hwos]
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Im think I have a something major wrong, the strange errors
that was posted last week might be a result of some corruption. 



How do I check from command line (using Linux) to see what a
policy attributes are? Most of all I want to verify that the Catalog
backup was done and where it is stored.





Dustin D'Amour

Coyote Solutions Group

505.742.0066

www.coyotesolutions.com



Relax...it's
just an update for the patch to fix the nerf that nerfed the fix for the update
of the patch that broke the fix that was fixed. --Unkown



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Flashbackup and Database clients

2006-09-11 Thread Dyck, Jonathan
Title: Message




Agreed.

I 
implemented a Flashbackup policy for a server with 10M files (30 raw disk 
streams, 1.4 TB) this past weekend (using the copy-on-write method), and 
itsaved me exactly 0 drive hours in the tape drive bank :) 
Write speeds were roughly 30-50% faster, but the extra data made up for the 
savings.

We run 
at about 60-70% usage, and were hoping to get away with not having to divvy up 
the server into two categories: which filesystems to back up with 
Flashbackup, and which not to.Looks like the problem is that the 
file to block mapping just takes too @*#$ 
long.

Cheers,
Jon


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Flashbackup and Database clients

AND 
your filesystem is "mostly" used.

ie, 
you wouldn't want to use flashbackup on a 1TB filesystem that only has 100Gig of 
data on it.

Paul
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  Flashbackups will help if you havemillions of small files.
  
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[Veritas-bu] Multiple-Nics

2006-09-11 Thread Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)



Ok... 
so three new media servers with 4 nics each are headed my way in the next few 
weeks. That's 12 interfaces I've got to worry about! According to 
the NBU Performance Planning  Tuning Guide I should create DNS entries for 
each interface, and add all interfaces to each server's bp.conf (or registry in 
windows.) I'm going to get all these values setup and ready to go before 
the hardware even arrives.

backup1 (IP1)

backup1-neta (IP2)

backup1-netb (IP3)

backup1-netc (IP4)


backup2 (IP1)

backup2-neta (IP2)

backup2-netb (IP3)

backup2-netc (IP4)


backup3 (IP1)

backup3-neta (IP2)

backup3-netb (IP3)

backup3-netc (IP4)

So the servers will all talk to each other 
across the various nics (by looking up the server name) but how do clients know 
which IP to use? Many of those IPs are going to be on a non-routed 
"backend" network, which several clients will not have access to. How does 
the Master / Media server know which nic to use to communicate with the 
client? Further, how do I tell my jobs which IP to use?! For 
example, if I have 6 nics on 3 servers in the "back end" will NBU automatically 
local balance between them? Perhaps I should enable teaming? Any 
input on how this done properly would be appreciated. Unfortunately the 
HOSTS file lookup method we use now is unacceptable (and dumb) so I'll have to 
make this work properly.

-Jonathan


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiple-Nics

2006-09-11 Thread Paul Keating
Title: Message



servers should talk to each other via the "main" interfaces, hopefully, 
if your networks and routing are configured properly.

ie, if 
yourSTU specifies "backup2" as the media server, then the master will talk 
to it via the interface named "media2"
How 
the master server decides which of its interfaces to talk out of is more 
complicated if there are more than one interface on a given subnet, and they're 
not trunkedcould cause some "unexpected issues".

the 
clients will talk back to whatever interface a connection is requested 
from.

f'rinstance.backup1 has 4 interfaces

for 
example:


backup1 (IP1) 
- 192.168.1.10/24

backup1-neta (IP2)192.168.2.10/24

backup1-netb (IP3)192.168.3.10/24

backup1-netc (IP4) 
192.168.4.10/24

A backup of a client is 
attempted, and that client has an IP of 
192.168.3.16

The media server will select the 
interface connected to the proper subnet which is "backup1-netb"and 
"talk out that interface to the 
client.

The 
client will see an incoming connection from 192.168.3.10, perform a reverse DNS 
lookup and determine the name to be "backup1-netb". It will check it's bp.conf file for that 
nameif it doesn't find it, the job will fail with a status 59, if it DOES 
find it, it will start to transmit backup data back to 
192.168.3.10.


Even 
if the media server has multiple interfaces on a subnet, it will pick one to 
use, and talk to the client via that interface, the client will still reply back 
to the interface that queried it.

couple 
questions for you.what is the purpose of the extra connections? to have a 
foot on multiple VLANs to keep backup traffic off of routers? so each interface 
is a difference subnet? in which case you really want to make sure you have 
routing disabled on the media servers..or just for more bandwidth on a given 
subnet? in which case you should probably be using some sort of 
trunking/multipathing/teaming, etc.

Paul

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  Multiple-Nics
  Ok... so three new media servers with 4 nics each are headed my way in 
  the next few weeks. That's 12 interfaces I've got to worry about! 
  According to the NBU Performance Planning  Tuning Guide I should create 
  DNS entries for each interface, and add all interfaces to each server's 
  bp.conf (or registry in windows.) I'm going to get all these values 
  setup and ready to go before the hardware even arrives.
  
  backup1 (IP1)
  
  backup1-neta (IP2)
  
  backup1-netb (IP3)
  
  backup1-netc (IP4)
  
  
  backup2 (IP1)
  
  backup2-neta (IP2)
  
  backup2-netb (IP3)
  
  backup2-netc (IP4)
  
  
  backup3 (IP1)
  
  backup3-neta (IP2)
  
  backup3-netb (IP3)
  
  backup3-netc (IP4)
  
  So the servers will all talk to each other 
  across the various nics (by looking up the server name) but how do clients 
  know which IP to use? Many of those IPs are going to be on a non-routed 
  "backend" network, which several clients will not have access to. How 
  does the Master / Media server know which nic to use to communicate with the 
  client? Further, how do I tell my jobs which IP to use?! For 
  example, if I have 6 nics on 3 servers in the "back end" will NBU 
  automatically local balance between them? Perhaps I should enable 
  teaming? Any input on how this done properly would be appreciated. 
  Unfortunately the HOSTS file lookup method we use now is unacceptable (and 
  dumb) so I'll have to make this work properly.
  
  -Jonathan
  
  


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiple-Nics

2006-09-11 Thread Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)
Title: Message



More bandwidth on the same subnet. But to some point 
to keep data off routers. I've got a dedicated 10/100/1000 Cisco 3750 at 
my disposal, so I'm going to "max" it out, by passing bottlenecks associated 
with the rest of the infrastructure's multiple switches connected via (slow) 2Gb 
fiber connections. I can't run 45 1Gb backups across 3 x 1Gb connected 
media servers, so I'm going to (at least) run 2 Gigabit nics per Media Server if 
not more. I was thinking more along the lines of 8 or 9, but I'm using 
dual nics and I don't think I can trunk 3 nics from two different manufacturers 
(integrated vs, expansion.) Further, I'm not convinces that trunking is 
actually going to give me faster backups.

My NBU Domain will look more like...

10.1.1.x 
Master10.1.2.x, 10.1.2.x
10.1.1.x Media 
10.1.2.x, 10.1.2.x
10.1.1.x Media 
10.1.2.x, 10.1.2.x

Most clients will simply be slower 10/100 connected to the 
10.1.1.x. However anything with 50+GB of data will be on BOTH the 10.1.1.x 
AND the 10.1.2.x. Right now nothing has more than one nic in the "backend" 
(10.1.2.x for this example.) Which server writes where is heavily 
controlled by hosts files, which is a method I intend to improve. 
Hrm...

-Jonathan


From: Paul Keating 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 
2006 3:58 PMTo: Martin, Jonathan (Contractor); 
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 
Multiple-Nics

servers should talk to each other via the "main" interfaces, hopefully, 
if your networks and routing are configured properly.

ie, if 
yourSTU specifies "backup2" as the media server, then the master will talk 
to it via the interface named "media2"
How 
the master server decides which of its interfaces to talk out of is more 
complicated if there are more than one interface on a given subnet, and they're 
not trunkedcould cause some "unexpected issues".

the 
clients will talk back to whatever interface a connection is requested 
from.

f'rinstance.backup1 has 4 interfaces

for 
example:


backup1 (IP1) 
- 192.168.1.10/24

backup1-neta (IP2)192.168.2.10/24

backup1-netb (IP3)192.168.3.10/24

backup1-netc (IP4) 
192.168.4.10/24

A backup of a client is 
attempted, and that client has an IP of 
192.168.3.16

The media server will select the 
interface connected to the proper subnet which is "backup1-netb"and 
"talk out that interface to the 
client.

The 
client will see an incoming connection from 192.168.3.10, perform a reverse DNS 
lookup and determine the name to be "backup1-netb". It will check it's bp.conf file for that 
nameif it doesn't find it, the job will fail with a status 59, if it DOES 
find it, it will start to transmit backup data back to 
192.168.3.10.


Even 
if the media server has multiple interfaces on a subnet, it will pick one to 
use, and talk to the client via that interface, the client will still reply back 
to the interface that queried it.

couple 
questions for you.what is the purpose of the extra connections? to have a 
foot on multiple VLANs to keep backup traffic off of routers? so each interface 
is a difference subnet? in which case you really want to make sure you have 
routing disabled on the media servers..or just for more bandwidth on a given 
subnet? in which case you should probably be using some sort of 
trunking/multipathing/teaming, etc.

Paul

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, 
  Jonathan (Contractor)Sent: September 11, 2006 3:43 PMTo: 
  veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] 
  Multiple-Nics
  Ok... so three new media servers with 4 nics each are headed my way in 
  the next few weeks. That's 12 interfaces I've got to worry about! 
  According to the NBU Performance Planning  Tuning Guide I should create 
  DNS entries for each interface, and add all interfaces to each server's 
  bp.conf (or registry in windows.) I'm going to get all these values 
  setup and ready to go before the hardware even arrives.
  
  backup1 (IP1)
  
  backup1-neta (IP2)
  
  backup1-netb (IP3)
  
  backup1-netc (IP4)
  
  
  backup2 (IP1)
  
  backup2-neta (IP2)
  
  backup2-netb (IP3)
  
  backup2-netc (IP4)
  
  
  backup3 (IP1)
  
  backup3-neta (IP2)
  
  backup3-netb (IP3)
  
  backup3-netc (IP4)
  
  So the servers will all talk to each other 
  across the various nics (by looking up the server name) but how do clients 
  know which IP to use? Many of those IPs are going to be on a non-routed 
  "backend" network, which several clients will not have access to. How 
  does the Master / Media server know which nic to use to communicate with the 
  client? Further, how do I tell my jobs which IP to use?! For 
  example, if I have 6 nics on 3 servers in the "back end" will NBU 
  automatically local balance between them? Perhaps I should enable 
  teaming? Any input on how this done properly would be appreciated. 
  Unfortunately the HOSTS file lookup 

[Veritas-bu] Catalog restore error

2006-09-11 Thread Dustin D'Amour








Anyway to get past this or how to fix
this?





Welcome to the NetBackup Catalog Recovery
Wizard!



Please make sure the devices and media
that contain catalog disaster recovery data are available

Are you ready to continue?(Y/N)

Y

Please specify the full pathname to the
catalog disaster recovery file:

/csg01/catalog/CSG_WIRELESS-CATALOG_1156538798_FULL

ptclvsbkp01.nmplateaugsm.com_1156538798

All media resources were located

Do you want to recover the entire
NetBackup catalog? (Y/N)

y

Catalog recovery is in progress. Please
wait...

Failed to obtain a job id from job
manager: cannot connect on socket (25)



Failed to recover catalog (25)





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505.742.0066

www.coyotesolutions.com



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just an update for the patch to fix the nerf that nerfed the fix for the update
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiple-Nics

2006-09-11 Thread Scott Jacobson


As mentioned from an earlier thread, I'm not sure of youruse/need for the multiple interfaces.

If some or all these multiple interfaces are available for teaming or bonding, I would do that, and use the REQUIRED_INTERFACE for desired data stream (ip addr)

-sj "Martin, Jonathan (Contractor)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/2006 1:42 PM 
Ok... so three new media servers with 4 nics each are headed my way in the next few weeks. That's 12 interfaces I've got to worry about! According to the NBU Performance Planning  Tuning Guide I should create DNS entries for each interface, and add all interfaces to each server's bp.conf (or registry in windows.) I'm going to get all these values setup and ready to go before the hardware even arrives.

backup1 (IP1)

backup1-neta (IP2)

backup1-netb (IP3)

backup1-netc (IP4)


backup2 (IP1)

backup2-neta (IP2)

backup2-netb (IP3)

backup2-netc (IP4)


backup3 (IP1)

backup3-neta (IP2)

backup3-netb (IP3)

backup3-netc (IP4)

So the servers will all talk to each other across the various nics (by looking up the server name) but how do clients know which IP to use? Many of those IPs are going to be on a non-routed "backend" network, which several clients will not have access to. How does the Master / Media server know which nic to use to communicate with the client? Further, how do I tell my jobs which IP to use?! For example, if I have 6 nics on 3 servers in the "back end" will NBU automatically local balance between them? Perhaps I should enable teaming? Any input on how this done properly would be appreciated. Unfortunately the HOSTS file lookup method we use now is unacceptable (and dumb) so I'll have to make this work properly.

-Jonathan

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[Veritas-bu] Display summary of volume contents?

2006-09-11 Thread Darren Dunham
I've got some volumes that are assigned in the volume database, but have
no images in the media database (bpmedialist says id not found).  I'd
like to gather some information about what's on the tape (Is it really
netbackup?  When/what is on the images...)  I assume they're old
(expired) given the 'last mount' date and the pool, but I don't know why
it's still assigned in the volume database.

I tried 'bpmedialist -mcontents -m id' to see if it would mount and
display what's actually there, but it just spits out an error message
very quickly (before any tape movement).

  Could not obtain report from host nbuserv, requested media id was not
  found in NB media database and/or MM volume database

Well, yes.  I know it's not there.  I just want a summary of the
contents.

Obviously I could mount it by hand in a tape and start poking around
with 'tar' and such, but I was hoping I could run a netbackup command to
get me the same information.  Is there such a command?

Thanks!
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6.0 Performance Very Slow

2006-09-11 Thread Mansell, Richard



We saw a much bigger improvement than 10%. Out of the 
box we were only achieving 18MB/s when backing up a test database. After playing 
with buffers we were achieving between 75 and 80MB/s. 

We increased:-

Client buffer to 128MB
NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS to 64
NET_BUFFER_SZ to 528384.

The biggest gain was with the NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS.

  
  
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  .. 
  
  
  Performance tuning 
  (increasing buffers and sizes) can give you about 10% better back up speed, 
  but if you are only getting 6MB/sec then something is seriously wrong with 
  your hardware strategy. Also, you dont mention if this is Windows or 
  Unix.
  
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Flashbackup and Database clients

2006-09-11 Thread Ed Wilts
On 9/11/2006 8:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 will flashbackup help speedup my lotus notes database agent backups?

No.

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[Veritas-bu] Legato vs NBu

2006-09-11 Thread Siano, James C

I've been using NBU 5.1 and below for several years.  I'm brand new to
NW.
Just had a training class in NW 7.3.  My shop will need to use both for
several reasons.

From what I seen thus far -- and I'll try not to be an NBU bigot -- is
that the NBU interface is one package and easier to use.  NW 7.3
interfaces are separate tools and are clumsy.  Perhaps I'll be less
clumsy with time.

NBU appears to be more master server centric and NW more client focused.

One really great thing about NW 7.3 is the ability to set a complete
exclude list at the master server as opposed to each client.  I don't
know how many registries I've had to change by hand or at the client
options on the master.

Both products indeed have +/- are each have weakness/strengths.  I
believe cost is relatively the same.  NW licensing is cumbersome and can
lead to confusion but locks licenses to node.  Veritas tracks licenses
but holds you to an honor system.  NBU you need to track each client
somehow on a spreadsheet as not to go over your legal limit.

I'll end up backing up my Legato NSR master server with my NBU system
and vice versa for best of both worlds.

AS long as each product helps to get lost files and systems back, I'm
happy as an IT, Business Continuity/DR guy.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Legato vs NBu

2006-09-11 Thread Darren Dunham
 I'll end up backing up my Legato NSR master server with my NBU system
 and vice versa for best of both worlds.

Both Networker and Netbackup have the equivalent of live databases at
their core.  Backing them up without the appropriate support (which the
competing product would not have) leaves a risk of missing data or
corruption.




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