Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media Mount Timeout

2006-09-22 Thread mirko_nbu
Paul,

we speek about a VTL, not backup to disk or something similar. If the data is 
not in the VTL cache, the VTL will pull the data from fc attached tapes by 
itself... NetBackup only sees virtual tape drives, regardless of where the data 
is stored! 

... staging the data in to the VTL cache may take a couple of minutes (10), 
leading to the described phenomenon... and timeouts do not really work... 

M.

 
On Thursday, September 21, 2006, at 08:12PM, Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

My point, I suppose, is that if your data isn't on the VTL, it should be on 
tape.
Netbackup should already know this, and pull the data direct from the tape.

A higher timeout would treat the symptom, but this whole idea of pulling the 
data back from tape to the VTL exacerbates the problem which most people 
implement VTL to curenamely time to restore.

Paul

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 To: Paul Keating
 Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, 
 Media Mount Timeout
 
 
 Paul,
 
 I wonder too :-( Mainly a timeout of more than 5 minutes 
 would help, but as explained, the NBU internal timeout does 
 not seem to work... 
 
 Help appreciated :-)
 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Mirko
 
 
  
 On Thursday, September 21, 2006, at 07:43PM, Paul Keating 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I'm wondering what kind of (mis)configuration is responsible 
 for media
 having to be pulled back to the VTL to do a restore.
 
 Sounds painful.
 
 Paul
 
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  Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media 
  Mount Timeout
  
  
  Hi all,
  
  another kind of a problem, that may be a bug in NBU? Expert help 
  appreciated! 
  
  We're using NetBackup 6.0 on a Windows 2003 Server Master Server. 
  The Server is connected to a FJS CentricStore VTL, emulating 
  8 Exabyte 
  Mammooth drives with a capacity of 20Gb each. The drives are 
  integrated 
  into a NBU logical library using TL8 as the drive 
 controlling type... 
  
  The problem: 
  Whenever a media is requested, that does not reside in the 
  VTL cache, the 
  media content has to be staged in transparently by the VTL 
  software, leading 
  to an NBU robot error media timeout message! We tried to 
  increase the MEDIA_MOUNT_TIMEOUT using the GUI, but the 
  timeout still appears after 6 minutes, 
  regardless of the setting... the windows system log complains 
  about a sempahore 
  timeout! To me it seems like the MEDIA_MOUNT_TIMEOUT is not 
  working correctly or 
  is it only suitable for ACS managed or other drive? Maybe 
  there is also some different configuration setting on the 
  Windows or TL8 side? 
  
  Besides this we wonder about the fact, that mounting of the 
  tape media is beeing retried using another tape drive. Is 
  there any configuration value that controls this? We already 
  experimented with Restore Retries = 0  Retry Interval =1...
  
  Thanks for help! 
  
  Kind regards, 
  
  Mirko 
  
  
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[Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Weber, Philip
Sorry if this has been done to death recently but...

What sorts of disk systems are people using as disk staging to keep
LTO3s happy?  Our current EMC Clariion Cx300 struggles to supply data
fast enough to 3 LTO2 drives (even outside of NetBackup) and performance
goes through the floor if (as is often the case) it is still trying to
write backups to disk while streaming data off to tape.  We have pretty
much a 24*7 backup window with lots of slow  small, slow  big, and
some fast, clients.

It seems the idea that you need disk staging to keep your LTO tapes
running nicely, rings a bit hollow.  Also seems to me we're looking at
needing a high-end disk system.  Which makes a mockery of backing up to
cheap ATA/SATA disk being the way forward.

The only way I can see to get around the performance problems with
writing/reading backup streams to/from disk concurrently, other than a
high-end system, is to script some kind of mirror-split-off process and
use it to do the duplication with scripts rather than DSSU.  i.e. back
up to disk overnight  then split a mirror off (to somewhere where its
I/O will be separate) and duplicate off this during the day before
resynching.  Anybody do anything like that?  I can see all sorts of
nasty gotchas ... maybe that way madness lies?

cheers, Phil

Phil Weber
Business Technology (Egg)
Storage Technical Services - Senior UNIX Technologist
Phone: 01384 26 4136
Mobile: 07748 333503
Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media Mount Timeout

2006-09-22 Thread Weber, Philip
My understanding of CentricStor is that NetBackup only knows about 
CentricStor's virtual tape devices.  CentricStor offlines virtual tapes to 
physical tape as and when the virtual tapes become full, and NetBackup knows 
nothing about where the data is on physical tapes.

Interested, because we're looking at CentricStor.

What happens with the tape mount timeout?  Does the restore request go into a 
waiting for operator to load tape state and have to be manually resubmitted 
once the VTL has finished pulling the data back?

Phil

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To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media Mount Timeout


My point, I suppose, is that if your data isn't on the VTL, it should be on 
tape.
Netbackup should already know this, and pull the data direct from the tape.

A higher timeout would treat the symptom, but this whole idea of pulling the 
data back from tape to the VTL exacerbates the problem which most people 
implement VTL to curenamely time to restore.

Paul

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 Sent: September 21, 2006 1:55 PM
 To: Paul Keating
 Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, 
 Media Mount Timeout
 
 
 Paul,
 
 I wonder too :-( Mainly a timeout of more than 5 minutes 
 would help, but as explained, the NBU internal timeout does 
 not seem to work... 
 
 Help appreciated :-)
 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Mirko
 
 
  
 On Thursday, September 21, 2006, at 07:43PM, Paul Keating 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I'm wondering what kind of (mis)configuration is responsible 
 for media
 having to be pulled back to the VTL to do a restore.
 
 Sounds painful.
 
 Paul
 
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  To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
  Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media 
  Mount Timeout
  
  
  Hi all,
  
  another kind of a problem, that may be a bug in NBU? Expert help 
  appreciated! 
  
  We're using NetBackup 6.0 on a Windows 2003 Server Master Server. 
  The Server is connected to a FJS CentricStore VTL, emulating 
  8 Exabyte 
  Mammooth drives with a capacity of 20Gb each. The drives are 
  integrated 
  into a NBU logical library using TL8 as the drive 
 controlling type... 
  
  The problem: 
  Whenever a media is requested, that does not reside in the 
  VTL cache, the 
  media content has to be staged in transparently by the VTL 
  software, leading 
  to an NBU robot error media timeout message! We tried to 
  increase the MEDIA_MOUNT_TIMEOUT using the GUI, but the 
  timeout still appears after 6 minutes, 
  regardless of the setting... the windows system log complains 
  about a sempahore 
  timeout! To me it seems like the MEDIA_MOUNT_TIMEOUT is not 
  working correctly or 
  is it only suitable for ACS managed or other drive? Maybe 
  there is also some different configuration setting on the 
  Windows or TL8 side? 
  
  Besides this we wonder about the fact, that mounting of the 
  tape media is beeing retried using another tape drive. Is 
  there any configuration value that controls this? We already 
  experimented with Restore Retries = 0  Retry Interval =1...
  
  Thanks for help! 
  
  Kind regards, 
  
  Mirko 
  
  
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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Peter DrakeUnderkoffler
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Some quite valid points.  The splitting of a DSU's to alternate media
servers sounds like requirements from Veritas engineering would be
needed as the images on disk would be owned by a different media server.
I suppose scriptable be I can foresee several potential hiccups in the event
of errors.

Have you identified all the performance stats for each item in the mix?
So, for instance:
 max read/write of one tape drive
 max read/write of two or more tape drives at the same time
 max read/write of one LUN from CX
 max read/write of two or more LUNs from CX at the same time
 utilization rate of FC ports in switches throughout fabric

Not to ask a silly question, but are you sharing data paths at all?
There have been some posts in the past week or two on max transfer rates
round on LTO3, have you researched the archives of this list?  How big
a system is the media server?  Does it have the bandwidth to perform what
you want it to?  These all may be futile questions as you may have
reached the limits of your storage system.  The obvious but potentially
more expensive solution is to spread your load across more media servers.
It is a fully supported configuration...

Thanks
Peter

Peter DrakeUnderkoffler
Xinupro, LLC
617-834-2352



Weber, Philip wrote:
 Sorry if this has been done to death recently but...
 
 What sorts of disk systems are people using as disk staging to keep
 LTO3s happy?  Our current EMC Clariion Cx300 struggles to supply data
 fast enough to 3 LTO2 drives (even outside of NetBackup) and performance
 goes through the floor if (as is often the case) it is still trying to
 write backups to disk while streaming data off to tape.  We have pretty
 much a 24*7 backup window with lots of slow  small, slow  big, and
 some fast, clients.
 
 It seems the idea that you need disk staging to keep your LTO tapes
 running nicely, rings a bit hollow.  Also seems to me we're looking at
 needing a high-end disk system.  Which makes a mockery of backing up to
 cheap ATA/SATA disk being the way forward.
 
 The only way I can see to get around the performance problems with
 writing/reading backup streams to/from disk concurrently, other than a
 high-end system, is to script some kind of mirror-split-off process and
 use it to do the duplication with scripts rather than DSSU.  i.e. back
 up to disk overnight  then split a mirror off (to somewhere where its
 I/O will be separate) and duplicate off this during the day before
 resynching.  Anybody do anything like that?  I can see all sorts of
 nasty gotchas ... maybe that way madness lies?
 
 cheers, Phil
 
 Phil Weber
 Business Technology (Egg)
 Storage Technical Services - Senior UNIX Technologist
 Phone: 01384 26 4136
 Mobile: 07748 333503
 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Weber, Philip
I meant splitting a mirrored DSU  keeping the mirror on the same media
server, just mounted separately.  I haven't really thought it through
:-)  it would probably need expensive SAN options to enable the mirrors
to have separate I/O paths to the server.  And NetBackup would still
have problems over the changing paths to the disk images.  Maybe a
non-starter.

I've been through most of the performance stats  my CX is definitely
the bottleneck at the moment.  The media servers are adequate though
if/when I have adequate performance out of the CX or its replacement
(possibly VTL) they will need further HBAs  NICs to stop those becoming
bottlenecks.

I've been through the archives... a separate CX for each media server
would help more than more media servers... hence trying to get a feel
for what disk systems people are having success with.

cheers, Phil

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From: Peter DrakeUnderkoffler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 September 2006 10:48
To: Weber, Philip
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging


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Some quite valid points.  The splitting of a DSU's to alternate media
servers sounds like requirements from Veritas engineering would be
needed as the images on disk would be owned by a different media server.
I suppose scriptable be I can foresee several potential hiccups in the
event
of errors.

Have you identified all the performance stats for each item in the mix?
So, for instance:
 max read/write of one tape drive
 max read/write of two or more tape drives at the same time
 max read/write of one LUN from CX
 max read/write of two or more LUNs from CX at the same time
 utilization rate of FC ports in switches throughout fabric

Not to ask a silly question, but are you sharing data paths at all?
There have been some posts in the past week or two on max transfer rates
round on LTO3, have you researched the archives of this list?  How big
a system is the media server?  Does it have the bandwidth to perform
what
you want it to?  These all may be futile questions as you may have
reached the limits of your storage system.  The obvious but potentially
more expensive solution is to spread your load across more media
servers.
It is a fully supported configuration...

Thanks
Peter

Peter DrakeUnderkoffler
Xinupro, LLC
617-834-2352



Weber, Philip wrote:
 Sorry if this has been done to death recently but...
 
 What sorts of disk systems are people using as disk staging to keep
 LTO3s happy?  Our current EMC Clariion Cx300 struggles to supply data
 fast enough to 3 LTO2 drives (even outside of NetBackup) and
performance
 goes through the floor if (as is often the case) it is still trying to
 write backups to disk while streaming data off to tape.  We have
pretty
 much a 24*7 backup window with lots of slow  small, slow  big, and
 some fast, clients.
 
 It seems the idea that you need disk staging to keep your LTO tapes
 running nicely, rings a bit hollow.  Also seems to me we're looking at
 needing a high-end disk system.  Which makes a mockery of backing up
to
 cheap ATA/SATA disk being the way forward.
 
 The only way I can see to get around the performance problems with
 writing/reading backup streams to/from disk concurrently, other than a
 high-end system, is to script some kind of mirror-split-off process
and
 use it to do the duplication with scripts rather than DSSU.  i.e. back
 up to disk overnight  then split a mirror off (to somewhere where its
 I/O will be separate) and duplicate off this during the day before
 resynching.  Anybody do anything like that?  I can see all sorts of
 nasty gotchas ... maybe that way madness lies?
 
 cheers, Phil
 
 Phil Weber
 Business Technology (Egg)
 Storage Technical Services - Senior UNIX Technologist
 Phone: 01384 26 4136
 Mobile: 07748 333503
 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 -
 Egg is a trading name of the Egg group of companies which includes:
 Egg plc (reg no
 2448340), Egg Financial Intermediation Ltd 
 (reg no 3828289), and Egg Banking plc (reg 
 no 2999842). Egg Banking plc and Egg 
 Financial Intermediation Ltd are authorised 
 and regulated by the Financial Services 
 Authority (FSA) and are entered in the FSA 
 register under numbers 205621 and 309551 
 respectively. These members of the Egg group 
 are registered in England and Wales. 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media Mount Timeout

2006-09-22 Thread mirko_nbu
Philip,

your understanding of CentricStor is right, it does all the stage and de-stage 
stuff for itself. Regarding the timeout: We get a tpError after magically 6 
(?!) minutes, regardless of the media mount timeout setting... I wonder where 
this 6 minutes come from! The tpError leads to one tape drive beeing downed, 
the mount request is transfered to a different drive where the mount normally 
succeeds, because all the content has been staged in by the CentricStor...

I wonder if this special timeout is really a NetBackup timeout or maybe a 
Windows timeout somewhere!?

Regards, 

Mirko
 


 
On Friday, September 22, 2006, at 11:43AM, Weber, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

My understanding of CentricStor is that NetBackup only knows about 
CentricStor's virtual tape devices.  CentricStor offlines virtual tapes to 
physical tape as and when the virtual tapes become full, and NetBackup knows 
nothing about where the data is on physical tapes.

Interested, because we're looking at CentricStor.

What happens with the tape mount timeout?  Does the restore request go into a 
waiting for operator to load tape state and have to be manually resubmitted 
once the VTL has finished pulling the data back?

Phil

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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Ed Wilts
On 9/22/2006 4:19 AM, Weber, Philip wrote:
 What sorts of disk systems are people using as disk staging to keep
 LTO3s happy?  

We're using HP EVA with FATA (Fibre ATA) drives.  We don't drive the 
LTO3s at full speed, but I do not believe it's an EVA issue.

 Our current EMC Clariion Cx300 struggles to supply data fast enough
 to 3 LTO2 drives (even outside of NetBackup) and performance goes
 through the floor if (as is often the case) it is still trying to 
 write backups to disk while streaming data off to tape.

What sorts of benchmarks have you done to prove that it's a disk issue? 
  Have you done something like a dd to see how fast you can read data 
from the disk?  Have you monitored your switch ports?  I've witnessed 
our NetBackup environment hit 150MB/sec on our master server's 2Gbps 
switch port doing a dd from the DSSU to /dev/null.  My destaging 
performance to LTO-3 is normally quite poor so I know I've got a 
NetBackup issue somewhere.

 We have pretty much a 24*7 backup window with lots of slow  small,
 slow  big, and some fast, clients.

I think that describes most of us...  Do your fast clients drive the LTO 
directly at a good speed?

.../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 Reporting

2006-09-22 Thread Clooney, David
Title: Message



Hi all


We are planning to upgrade to NBU 6 towards the end of 
the year, have been developing a number of reports using admcmd binaries, are 
these same binaries still resident in NBU 6 ???

Regards

Dave


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, 
SimonSent: 21 September 2006 15:40To: 'Martin, Jonathan 
(Contractor)'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: Re: 
[Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 Reporting

Hi Jonathan
Well they sound like what I have and what I have seen in 6.0 when 
testing it.

So I dont believe there is anything "advanced" about it 
:-)

Could well be wrong, but reading the online manuals on the reports 
may give you some additional pointers :-)


Regards
Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows 
Domain Administrator 
EADS Astrium 
Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 
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  [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 Reporting
  I've 
  got several report options in my (current NBU 5.1 MP4) GUI including Status of 
  Backups, Client Backups, All Log Entries, Media Lists, Media Contents, Images 
  on Media, Media Logs, Media Summary and Media Written. Is this part of 
  some "Advanced Reporting" tool are are these built in to the product? 
  Further, are they built into the base 6.0 install? I run a number of 
  weekly reports off these reports weekly and I'd hate to lose them (even though 
  it would force me to come up with something better =P ) once we upgrade to 
  6.0.
  
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[Veritas-bu] to restore NDMP backup to different location

2006-09-22 Thread Asiye Yiğit
Title: Message



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Is it possible to 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 6

2006-09-22 Thread home
ugh, if you want to point to recent 6.0 press, might I suggest the  
storage article instead?

http://storagemagazine.techtarget.com/magLogin/ 
1,291245,sid35_gci1214739,00.html

That Sharon Fisher article feels to me like she took several individual  
data points and worked hard to extrapolate them into FUD-filled  
generalities.  (e.g. vault problems, the supposed 1K files backed up,  
but nothing to restore problem)

HTH
rob

On Sep 21, 2006, at 9:57 AM, WEAVER, Simon wrote:


 You may want to view the history of the posts on here (do a search),  
 but
 general opinions are that its buggy indeed!

 MP3 seems ok ish!

 Ed is the man to talk to.
 On another subject, found this

 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/090506-users-suffer-major- 
 problems-wit
 h.html

 May well be worth a read to get a general idea :-)

 HTH

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Re: [Veritas-bu] to restore NDMP backup to different location

2006-09-22 Thread Len Boyle
Title: Message



Yes. If you are using netbackup you can restore the data 
from one NDMP backup to another NDMP location by using a different dest from the 
source. They have to be of the same type of NDMP backup. 
Our NDMP backups are with Netapp file servers. We can 
restore to another directory name, to a different volume and they can be 
to a different filer. 
Unless you have a very old version of netbackup in which 
case they did not support a restore to a different filer. 

len



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows 2003, NBU 6.0MP3, VTL, Media Mount Timeout

2006-09-22 Thread Paul Keating
I realize what you're talking about.
The idea of the VTL fronting the media is a sore point of mine.
*shrug*


Paul

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 Media Mount Timeout
 
 
 Paul,
 
 we speek about a VTL, not backup to disk or something 
 similar. If the data is not in the VTL cache, the VTL will 
 pull the data from fc attached tapes by itself... NetBackup 
 only sees virtual tape drives, regardless of where the data 
 is stored! 
 
 ... staging the data in to the VTL cache may take a couple of 
 minutes (10), leading to the described phenomenon... and 
 timeouts do not really work... 
 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Anti-Virus Recommendations

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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Weber, Philip
I've done lots of dd tests to/from the disk outside of NetBackup, using
individual LUNs and various filesystems configured in various RAID
configurations.  Also going by the manufacturer's spec sheets sa to what
I can expect max (150 Mb/s).  Performance issues manifest themselves as
soon as I try to write multiple streams to a disk staging filesystem
whilst also reading off it, though the attempted speed of the writes is
probably greater (from /dev/random) than I would expect from my
NetBackup clients.  But it's only got ATA drives.  Because the
performance is bad before I bring NetBackup into the mix, I haven't
looked much at tuning NetBackup yet.

My fastest backups are across the SAN fabric using Advanced Client  4
streams will run to 1 tape driving it at about 50 Mb/s which may be the
drive limit (LTO2).

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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging


On 9/22/2006 4:19 AM, Weber, Philip wrote:
 What sorts of disk systems are people using as disk staging to keep
 LTO3s happy?  

We're using HP EVA with FATA (Fibre ATA) drives.  We don't drive the 
LTO3s at full speed, but I do not believe it's an EVA issue.

 Our current EMC Clariion Cx300 struggles to supply data fast enough
 to 3 LTO2 drives (even outside of NetBackup) and performance goes
 through the floor if (as is often the case) it is still trying to 
 write backups to disk while streaming data off to tape.

What sorts of benchmarks have you done to prove that it's a disk issue? 
  Have you done something like a dd to see how fast you can read data 
from the disk?  Have you monitored your switch ports?  I've witnessed 
our NetBackup environment hit 150MB/sec on our master server's 2Gbps 
switch port doing a dd from the DSSU to /dev/null.  My destaging 
performance to LTO-3 is normally quite poor so I know I've got a 
NetBackup issue somewhere.

 We have pretty much a 24*7 backup window with lots of slow  small,
 slow  big, and some fast, clients.

I think that describes most of us...  Do your fast clients drive the LTO

directly at a good speed?

.../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiple-Nics

2006-09-22 Thread Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)



Does anyone know what the 
equivalent registry entry is for REQUIRED_INTERFACE for Windows? Or is 
this strictlya UNIX/Linux thing?

I've been searching 
Google and support.veritas.com all morning now with no luck.

-Jonathan


From: Scott Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Monday, September 11, 2006 6:21 PMTo: Martin, Jonathan (Contractor); 
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 
Multiple-Nics

As mentioned from an earlier thread, I'm not sure of youruse/need for 
the multiple interfaces.

If some or all these multiple interfaces are available for teaming or 
bonding, I would do that, and use the REQUIRED_INTERFACE for desired data stream 
(ip addr)

-sj "Martin, Jonathan (Contractor)" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/2006 1:42 PM 
Ok... so 
three new media servers with 4 nics each are headed my way in the next few 
weeks. That's 12 interfaces I've got to worry about! According to 
the NBU Performance Planning  Tuning Guide I should create DNS entries for 
each interface, and add all interfaces to each server's bp.conf (or registry in 
windows.) I'm going to get all these values setup and ready to go before 
the hardware even arrives.

backup1 
(IP1)

backup1-neta 
(IP2)

backup1-netb 
(IP3)

backup1-netc 
(IP4)


backup2 
(IP1)

backup2-neta 
(IP2)

backup2-netb 
(IP3)

backup2-netc 
(IP4)


backup3 
(IP1)

backup3-neta 
(IP2)

backup3-netb 
(IP3)

backup3-netc 
(IP4)

So the servers will all talk to each other 
across the various nics (by looking up the server name) but how do clients know 
which IP to use? Many of those IPs are going to be on a non-routed 
"backend" network, which several clients will not have access to. How does 
the Master / Media server know which nic to use to communicate with the 
client? Further, how do I tell my jobs which IP to use?! For 
example, if I have 6 nics on 3 servers in the "back end" will NBU automatically 
local balance between them? Perhaps I should enable teaming? Any 
input on how this done properly would be appreciated. Unfortunately the 
HOSTS file lookup method we use now is unacceptable (and dumb) so I'll have to 
make this work properly.

-Jonathan


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiple-Nics

2006-09-22 Thread Whelan, Patrick









If you dont want to use the GUI,
you can do it from the command line using bpsetconfig (see manual for details).



Regards,





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 Jonathan (Contractor)
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Does anyone know what the
equivalent registry entry is for REQUIRED_INTERFACE for Windows? Or is
this strictlya UNIX/Linux thing?



I've been searching Google and
support.veritas.com all morning now with no luck.



-Jonathan









From: Scott
Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006
6:21 PM
To: Martin, Jonathan (Contractor);
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu]
Multiple-Nics



As mentioned from an earlier
thread, I'm not sure of youruse/need for the multiple interfaces.











If some or all these multiple
interfaces are available for teaming or bonding, I would do that, and use the
REQUIRED_INTERFACE for desired data stream (ip addr)











-sj

 Martin, Jonathan (Contractor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/2006 1:42 PM 





Ok... so
three new media servers with 4 nics each are headed my way in the next few
weeks. That's 12 interfaces I've got to worry about! According to
the NBU Performance Planning  Tuning Guide I should create DNS entries for
each interface, and add all interfaces to each server's bp.conf (or registry in
windows.) I'm going to get all these values setup and ready to go before
the hardware even arrives.











backup1 (IP1)







backup1-neta
(IP2)







backup1-netb
(IP3)







backup1-netc
(IP4)









backup2
(IP1)







backup2-neta
(IP2)







backup2-netb
(IP3)







backup2-netc
(IP4)









backup3
(IP1)







backup3-neta
(IP2)







backup3-netb
(IP3)







backup3-netc
(IP4)











So the
servers will all talk to each other across the various nics (by looking up the
server name) but how do clients know which IP to use? Many of those IPs
are going to be on a non-routed backend network, which several
clients will not have access to. How does the Master / Media server know
which nic to use to communicate with the client? Further, how do I tell
my jobs which IP to use?! For example, if I have 6 nics on 3 servers in
the back end will NBU automatically local balance between
them? Perhaps I should enable teaming? Any input on how this done
properly would be appreciated. Unfortunately the HOSTS file lookup method
we use now is unacceptable (and dumb) so I'll have to make this work properly.











-Jonathan











































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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Justin Piszcz
The drive limit of LTO2, I have benchmarked at speeds of 90-94MB/s, 
sustained.  Around 137-138MB/s for LTO3.

Justin.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Weber, Philip wrote:

 I've done lots of dd tests to/from the disk outside of NetBackup, using
 individual LUNs and various filesystems configured in various RAID
 configurations.  Also going by the manufacturer's spec sheets sa to what
 I can expect max (150 Mb/s).  Performance issues manifest themselves as
 soon as I try to write multiple streams to a disk staging filesystem
 whilst also reading off it, though the attempted speed of the writes is
 probably greater (from /dev/random) than I would expect from my
 NetBackup clients.  But it's only got ATA drives.  Because the
 performance is bad before I bring NetBackup into the mix, I haven't
 looked much at tuning NetBackup yet.

 My fastest backups are across the SAN fabric using Advanced Client  4
 streams will run to 1 tape driving it at about 50 Mb/s which may be the
 drive limit (LTO2).

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 22 September 2006 12:37
 To: Weber, Philip
 Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging


 On 9/22/2006 4:19 AM, Weber, Philip wrote:
 What sorts of disk systems are people using as disk staging to keep
 LTO3s happy?

 We're using HP EVA with FATA (Fibre ATA) drives.  We don't drive the
 LTO3s at full speed, but I do not believe it's an EVA issue.

 Our current EMC Clariion Cx300 struggles to supply data fast enough
 to 3 LTO2 drives (even outside of NetBackup) and performance goes
 through the floor if (as is often the case) it is still trying to
 write backups to disk while streaming data off to tape.

 What sorts of benchmarks have you done to prove that it's a disk issue?
  Have you done something like a dd to see how fast you can read data
 from the disk?  Have you monitored your switch ports?  I've witnessed
 our NetBackup environment hit 150MB/sec on our master server's 2Gbps
 switch port doing a dd from the DSSU to /dev/null.  My destaging
 performance to LTO-3 is normally quite poor so I know I've got a
 NetBackup issue somewhere.

 We have pretty much a 24*7 backup window with lots of slow  small,
 slow  big, and some fast, clients.

 I think that describes most of us...  Do your fast clients drive the LTO

 directly at a good speed?

   .../Ed

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[Veritas-bu] NB 6.0 Article

2006-09-22 Thread Karl . Rossing

Storage Magazine has an article on the
problems in NB 6.0 and the people that had to deal with it.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging

2006-09-22 Thread Paul Keating
What kind of data?

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 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO3 and Disk Staging
 
 
 The drive limit of LTO2, I have benchmarked at speeds of 90-94MB/s, 
 sustained.  Around 137-138MB/s for LTO3.
 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing Media Identifier !

2006-09-22 Thread Clooney, David
 Do these commands effect the valid images oon the media at all ?

Regards

Dave

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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing Media Identifier !

You can change the media type with the following commands on the master
server.

The following command will change the media type in the image database
on the master and the media database (mediaDB) on the media server:

cd /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/admincmd

/bpmedia -m {mediaid} -changeden -new {new_media_type}


The following command will change the media type in the volume database
(volDB) on the master:

cd /usr/openv/volmgr/bin

/vmchange -m {mediaid} -new_mt {new_media_type}

The 'new_media_type' is in lower case (dlt, dlt2, or dlt3) in both
commands.


Bobby



From: Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 08:34:24 EDT
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing Media Identifier !

Easiest would be to configure the new drives as DLT2.
 
even if the old media were configured as HCARTII, Netbackup wouldn't put
them into a drive defined as HCARTIII.
 
It would be nice if Netbackup had types that were defined according to
the established compatibility hierarchy of various drive types, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
 
Paul
 
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Hi !

 

I have a situation where an LTO II tape drive has been defined
as drives of type DLT2 (instead of hcart II) and the system was being
used and all the LTO II tapes are identified as DLTII tapes. 

 

Now during a migration / upgrade to a new tape libraray with LTO
III drives I will be defining tape drives as hcart III. The task is to
be able to use the old media from existing setup which is defined as dlt
II type in the new setup. 

 

Any suggestion other then expiring and importing the images.

 

Thanks

 

Ayaz




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2205 Peterson Drive
Chattanooga, TN  37421 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] How important is Processing Power?

2006-09-22 Thread Veritas Netbackup
Hi Jon,

Processing power is important, a month ago I had posted to the list and I got some real good inputs from our gurus.

We use Sun Fire 6900 server with dual core processors, by merely
upgrading to high clock speed processors, we have observed improved
performance in read writes and also avoiding the backups from aborting
with 155.

We backup arnd 10 TB a day and use 4 dual core SPARC procs of 1500 Mhz.
I have learnt from the list and some docs that having multiple media
servers helps see a quantum leap in performance.

Regards,
BIJU KRISHNANOn 9/23/06, Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm speccing servers etc and management ever wanting so pinch a pennywants to know how important dual processors are.Not only is there theadded server expense, but both Windows and NBU licenses for multipleprocessors are more expensive.We're looking at Intel Dual Core Xeon
5060s w/ 2x2MB Cache, 3.2Ghz, 1066Mhz FSB on a Dell Power Edge 2950 w/4GB RAM.I originally spec'd two processors (two dual cores) which I'mcertain will be quite powerful enough to drive 4 Gigabit nics to disk
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