Re: [Veritas-bu] Running bpbkar32 from the command line

2006-10-19 Thread Weber, Philip
Bit of a problem if you've got icmp (and ftp, and...) disabled between
most servers  clients like we have.  Is there anything similar that can
work over the NetBackup ports which obviously will be open?

Phil

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When doing performance analysis Veritas has given me a utility called
SAS which runs with a few options and creates an .xml file which they
then run through some program which spits out a .pdf.  The tool utilizes
ICMP so its much easier to use than anything port based and its given me
some very good feedback when trying to utilize 100% of our gigabit
pipes.  Between the bpbkar utility and SAS utility I've been able to
identify many bottlenecks and it assists greatly when performance tuning
your network options.  For my money its much better to isolate the local
disk with bpbkar32  null then the network pipe w/ SAS than to use
bpbkar32 in an actual backup setting and try to read log files.

-Jonathan
 

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Jason
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Got a good one for the group...

We're trying to do some bottleneck testing and are running into a
problem with the FTP ports being closed down on our Windows systems,
thus we cannot really test the network between the clients and media
servers. We're trying to see if we can kick off bpbkar32 manually to
just move a single file to disk on the media server to test the network
like and FTP would.

I know we test the client side locally by running:

bpbkar32 -nocont [file_path_to_test] 1 nul 2 nul

I also know that bpbrm is the process responsible for starting bpbkar32
and passes all the information bpbkar32 needs to start the backup. One
thought is to enable the bpbrm log file and see what options are being
passed, however if anybody out there has already done this and can give
me a breakdown of running bpbkar32 manually that would be great!

Thanks in advanced!

Jason Ellis
Technical Consultant, Backup  Recovery
Corp-IT Operations, La Mirada Datacenter IndyMac Bank
Phone: (714) 520-3414



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[Veritas-bu] BMR Backup Errors

2006-10-19 Thread Brooks, Jason
I was checking on my BMR clients this morning and noticed some were not
registered, even though the backups ran.  Look at the details of the
Activity Monitor entry for the parent job and saw this:

10/18/2006 11:00:21 PM - requesting resource BRM_Stor_Group
10/18/2006 11:00:21 PM - requesting resource
master.NBU_CLIENT.MAXJOBS.client.longwood.edu
10/18/2006 11:00:21 PM - requesting resource
master.NBU_POLICY.MAXJOBS.Linux_BMR
10/18/2006 11:00:31 PM - granted resource
master.NBU_CLIENT.MAXJOBS.client.longwood.edu
10/18/2006 11:00:31 PM - granted resource
master.NBU_POLICY.MAXJOBS.Linux_BMR
10/18/2006 11:00:31 PM - granted resource BMR_STU
10/18/2006 11:00:36 PM - begin Parent Job
10/18/2006 11:00:36 PM - begin Stream Discovery , Stream Discovery
Status 0
10/18/2006 11:00:46 PM - end Stream Discovery , Stream Discovery;
elapsed time: 00:00:10
10/18/2006 11:00:46 PM - begin Stream Discovery , BMR Save
10/18/2006 11:01:10 PM - started process bpbrm (448)
10/18/2006 11:01:21 PM - collecting BMR information
10/18/2006 11:01:26 PM - connecting
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - connected; connect time: 00:00:05
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - transferring BMR infomation to the master
server
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - connecting
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - connected; connect time: 00:00:00
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - Error bpbrm(pid=448) Did not receive bmr client
request from client.longwood.edu, status = 0  
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - end writing
Status 26
10/18/2006 11:01:33 PM - end Stream Discovery , BMR Save; elapsed time:
00:00:47
10/18/2006 11:01:33 PM - begin Stream Discovery , Policy Execution
Manager Preprocessed
Status 0
10/19/2006 1:38:41 AM - end Stream Discovery , Policy Execution Manager
Preprocessed; elapsed time: 02:37:08
Status 1
10/19/2006 1:38:41 AM - end Parent Job; elapsed time: 02:38:05
the requested operation was partially successful(1)

The job was successfully completed, but some files may have been
busy or unaccessible. See the problems report or the client's logs for
more details.

I've googled the entry:

10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - Error bpbrm(pid=448) Did not receive bmr client
request from client.longwood.edu, status = 0 

And have seen several mentions of network issues.  Namely, the
resolution was to reinstall network drivers.  This was also in reference
to NBU 6.0MP2; we're running 6.0MP3.  

Questions:

1)  Is network drivers a likely issue?
2)  Where should they be altered: master, media or client?
3)  Other suggestions?

If no one knows, I guess I'll open a case.  I'll be looking at client
logs now.

Thanks,
Jason


Jason Brooks
Computer Systems Engineer
IITS - Longwood University
voice - (434) 395-2916
fax - (434) 395-2035
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Re: [Veritas-bu] BMR Backup Errors

2006-10-19 Thread Spearman, David
Jason,
 
Please do open a case. We also have a case open but with no resolution. Maybe 
if we get enough cases open Veritas will take notice.
 
David Spearman 
County of Henrico



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I was checking on my BMR clients this morning and noticed some were not
registered, even though the backups ran.  Look at the details of the
Activity Monitor entry for the parent job and saw this:

10/18/2006 11:00:21 PM - requesting resource BRM_Stor_Group
10/18/2006 11:00:21 PM - requesting resource
master.NBU_CLIENT.MAXJOBS.client.longwood.edu
10/18/2006 11:00:21 PM - requesting resource
master.NBU_POLICY.MAXJOBS.Linux_BMR
10/18/2006 11:00:31 PM - granted resource
master.NBU_CLIENT.MAXJOBS.client.longwood.edu
10/18/2006 11:00:31 PM - granted resource
master.NBU_POLICY.MAXJOBS.Linux_BMR
10/18/2006 11:00:31 PM - granted resource BMR_STU
10/18/2006 11:00:36 PM - begin Parent Job
10/18/2006 11:00:36 PM - begin Stream Discovery , Stream Discovery
Status 0
10/18/2006 11:00:46 PM - end Stream Discovery , Stream Discovery;
elapsed time: 00:00:10
10/18/2006 11:00:46 PM - begin Stream Discovery , BMR Save
10/18/2006 11:01:10 PM - started process bpbrm (448)
10/18/2006 11:01:21 PM - collecting BMR information
10/18/2006 11:01:26 PM - connecting
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - connected; connect time: 00:00:05
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - transferring BMR infomation to the master
server
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - connecting
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - connected; connect time: 00:00:00
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - Error bpbrm(pid=448) Did not receive bmr client
request from client.longwood.edu, status = 0 
10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - end writing
Status 26
10/18/2006 11:01:33 PM - end Stream Discovery , BMR Save; elapsed time:
00:00:47
10/18/2006 11:01:33 PM - begin Stream Discovery , Policy Execution
Manager Preprocessed
Status 0
10/19/2006 1:38:41 AM - end Stream Discovery , Policy Execution Manager
Preprocessed; elapsed time: 02:37:08
Status 1
10/19/2006 1:38:41 AM - end Parent Job; elapsed time: 02:38:05
the requested operation was partially successful(1)

The job was successfully completed, but some files may have been
busy or unaccessible. See the problems report or the client's logs for
more details.

I've googled the entry:

10/18/2006 11:01:31 PM - Error bpbrm(pid=448) Did not receive bmr client
request from client.longwood.edu, status = 0

And have seen several mentions of network issues.  Namely, the
resolution was to reinstall network drivers.  This was also in reference
to NBU 6.0MP2; we're running 6.0MP3. 

Questions:

1)  Is network drivers a likely issue?
2)  Where should they be altered: master, media or client?
3)  Other suggestions?

If no one knows, I guess I'll open a case.  I'll be looking at client
logs now.

Thanks,
Jason


Jason Brooks
Computer Systems Engineer
IITS - Longwood University
voice - (434) 395-2916
fax - (434) 395-2035
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Veritas-bu] 6.0 MP3 Bug

2006-10-19 Thread Karl . Rossing

We ran into a bug with 6.0MP3 while
testing our BMR.

The Contents of c:\windows\sysvol
gets restored to c:\windows\sysvol\domain instead of c:\windows\sysvol\widgets.ca

Symptoms are that you are able to
login to the AD server only with cached credentials. All other user accounts
don't work. The DNS server also crashes after a bit.

In my eyes, this is a pretty nasty
bug because you probably can't do an authoritative restore.

This could be a BMR restore issue
or a NB Restore issue. We currently have an open case with veritas as does
one other person.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Data de-duplication solutions

2006-10-19 Thread Liddle, Stuart
We are currently in the process of testing out Direct Tape Copy on the
NetApp NearStore VTL's.

The results we are seeing is that we are getting better than 50MB/sec with
LTO-3 drives writing to LTO-2 tapes.  We can attach up to 3 drives per 2GB
fiber-channel port.  We figure we can do about 4TB/day per drive or up to
12TB/day for one NearStore VTL.

Compare that to the very poor performance of the vault/duplication process
which we have found to be on the order of roughly 11MB/sec or about 1TB per
day per LTO-3 drive.

We are still testing and have not yet made the switch over to this, but
right now it looks very promising.  If we do make the switch we will not use
vault for anything except for maybe container management.

--stuart

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Subject: [Veritas-bu] Data de-duplication solutions

Hi everyone,

I have seen subjects on data de-duplication here. For those using such type
of solutions such as data domain, pure disk etc:

- What are your experiences? 
- Do you lose any throughtput while using such solutions and any worries
with data corruption? 
- The bulk of our backup data is Oracle so does the solution you have work
with Oracle? 
- Can one use the solution with existing NetBackup agents (no interest in
deploying new client SW for 1000's of servers)?
- Do you replicate the data offsite and how is that working for you?

Any feedback is highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Tambaa



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Data de-duplication solutions

2006-10-19 Thread Liddle, Stuart
Yeahthere's a way to scan the physical library and the VTL will create a
set of virtual tapes with the same barcodes as the physical
tapesNetBackup will basically not know the difference and will treat
them the same.

I believe that you can always get the data off of the physical tapes if the
Nearstore dies.  The problem would be if you had not gotten all of the data
transferred from the VTL to the physical tapes before the VTL gets hit with
some kind of failure.

The physical tapes would be used for off-siting.  There is a shadow copy
feature that will keep stuff on the VTL until the disk space is needed for
new backups.  So, if you have enough disk you can keep stuff online for
restores if needed.

If you are getting 30MB/sec to tape with vault/duplication, you're lucky.
I've found that it is highly dependent upon the image size and the makeup of
the image itself.  If you have a number of small images, you will lower the
throughput of vault.  Also, if you have a large image that is made up of a
number of small files, you will also impact the throughput.  The best case
is a large image made up of large files.

Think of it this wayit's like having a couple of fire-hoses for the data
flow.  One is coming into the media server from the VTL and the other is
out-bound to the physical tape drives.  Vault/duplication does not allow you
to simply connect the fire-hoses.  It has to empty the in-coming one and put
that data into buckets then empty those buckets into the out-going
fire-hose.  Ohand while it is filling the buckets, it's doing an audit
to ensure that you have the right number (counting the image fragments,
etc).  The nearstore VTL will actually connect the fire-hoses and you get
line-speeds because it's doing the copy at a block-level to the physical
tapes.

As for the performance into the VTL, we don't really care, because there's
no shoe-shining with virtual drives.   But we have seen very fast transfer
rates in and out depending upon the data source and the connection to the
media server.  Like 30MB/sec or faster for single streams.  And if you add
up the throughput of multiple streams for a given source, it's even faster
than that.

-stuart

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So the Nearstore sees the physical tape library and directly copies fromthe
virtual tape cartridges, on a 1:1 basis to the physical carts?
How does the info get passed back to netbackup so Netbackup's catalogknows
what is on the physical tapes?
ie. if your Nearstore sc*ews the pooch, can you get your data off
thephysical tapes without importing them all?
Are your Nearstore vols replicated to a DR site? Or do you use
tapeexclusively for offsite DR?
For the record, I've been averaging well over 30MB/s tape to tape, usingLTO3
drives with LTO2 carts.
What kind of throughput are you getting into the nearstore during
yourbackups?
We're evaluating RFP responses for VTL at the moment...
Paul


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de-duplication solutions   We are currently in the process of testing out
Direct Tape Copy on the NetApp NearStore VTL's.  The results we are
seeing is that we are getting better than  50MB/sec with LTO-3 drives
writing to LTO-2 tapes.  We can attach up to 3  drives per 2GB
fiber-channel port.  We figure we can do about 4TB/day per  drive or up to
12TB/day for one NearStore VTL.  Compare that to the very poor performance
of the  vault/duplication process which we have found to be on the order
of roughly 11MB/sec or  about 1TB per day per LTO-3 drive.  We are still
testing and have not yet made the switch over to  this, but right now it
looks very promising.  If we do make the switch  we will not use vault for
anything except for maybe container management. 
--stuart

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[Veritas-bu] \\\\\ Raw FS backup : Sybase IQ /////

2006-10-19 Thread Veritas Netbackup
We have a new datawarehouse RDBMS, Sybase IQ 12.6

Since its not supported by Symantec, we have decided to backup {cold} the devices {raw}.

The database is arnd 2.4 TB but the devices are arnd 5 TB, how much will netbackup have to backup.

2.4 TB or 5 TB.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Viewing vault duplication performance.

2006-10-19 Thread Veritas Netbackup
Hi Darren/list,

Revoking this thread since its absolutely essential to me. I read the mails, went to office and did a

grep Kbytes/sec log.100906 in the bptm folder.

I found that no single value was above 22 Mbytes/sec, shd that mean that my vaults are not above 22 Mbytes/sec.

Is there anything specific in the log which I can search for clarifying my vault speed.

Regards,
BIJUOn 10/12/06, Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Use 2 GB fragments at the storage units. Then you can check bptm log. It has all the info you want in kb./secThere used to be several issues with duplicating and fragment size.I*think* that these issues are (supposed to be) addressed in 
6.0, butI've been hesitant to attempt it.If it gets me what I need, I'll probably try it.For now though, it seems like I've hit a wall.None of my duplicationsare going faster than 27MB/s (LTO3s).I'll have to keep poking...
--Darren
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Viewing vault duplication performance.

2006-10-19 Thread Darren Dunham
 Revoking this thread since its absolutely essential to me. I read the mails,
 went to office and did a
 
 grep Kbytes/sec log.100906 in the bptm folder.
 
 I found that no single value was above 22 Mbytes/sec, shd that mean that my
 vaults are not above 22 Mbytes/sec.
 
 Is there anything specific in the log which I can search for clarifying my
 vault speed.

I haven't found anything else yet.

I've been busy trying to build up another server that we might use for
offloading the duplications, so I haven't tried any type of changes for
the buffers to see what kind of tweaks I can get there to the speed.

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[Veritas-bu] 64 bit

2006-10-19 Thread Wooten, FH Frank @ IS



I have been trying to load NB 5.1 onto a 
windows box which runs SQL. Whenever I try and load the software it breaks the 
installer and doesnt allow anything to be installed. 

I guess my question is does veritas have a 
software package specifically for 64bit machines. 

Thanks

Frank

Frank Wooten
E-mail Server Group
L-3 Integrated Systems
903-457-3934

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Viewing vault duplication performance.

2006-10-19 Thread Mansell, Richard
My vault duplications are running at up to 160MB/s. My environment is
Windows based and we have a 4 LT03 drive HP library.

I did try turning on multiplexing but found that the write throughput
got worse the more I multiplexed so I have turned it back off for the
moment. 

The buffers will have an affect on performance. FWIW mine are set to:-

C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS_DISK  1048576
C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS  64
C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\ NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS_DISK64
C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\ SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS 262144
C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\NET_BUFFER_SZ   1048576

What read speeds are you getting during the duplication process? If you
have a look in the 'All log entries' report in the gui you should see a
figure for the read as well as the write process after each image is
duplicated.

Regards

Richard


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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Viewing vault duplication performance.

 Revoking this thread since its absolutely essential to me. I read the 
 mails, went to office and did a
 
 grep Kbytes/sec log.100906 in the bptm folder.
 
 I found that no single value was above 22 Mbytes/sec, shd that mean 
 that my vaults are not above 22 Mbytes/sec.
 
 Is there anything specific in the log which I can search for 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] 64 bit

2006-10-19 Thread Andrew Stueve
If you have 64 bit windows loaded - definitely!

-Andrew

Wooten, FH Frank @ IS wrote:
 I have been trying to load NB 5.1 onto a windows box which runs SQL.
 Whenever I try and load the software it breaks the installer and doesnt
 allow anything to be installed. 
  
 I guess my question is does veritas have a software package specifically
 for 64bit machines. 
  
 Thanks
  
 Frank
  
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 E-mail Server Group
 L-3 Integrated Systems
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Re: [Veritas-bu] 64 bit

2006-10-19 Thread Nardello, John



Yep. 
64-bit binaries are not available until 5.1 MP4 though. These are full 
installers, not patches. 

NB_51_4_M_280424.WINNT.IA64.EXE 
NB_51_4_M_280590.WINNT.X64.EXE
http://support.veritas.com/menu_ddProduct_NBUESVR_view_DOWNLOAD.htm
- John 
Nardello


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FH Frank @ ISSent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:28 PMTo: 
Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] 64 
bit

I have been trying to load NB 5.1 onto a 
windows box which runs SQL. Whenever I try and load the software it breaks the 
installer and doesnt allow anything to be installed. 

I guess my question is does veritas have a 
software package specifically for 64bit machines. 

Thanks

Frank

Frank Wooten
E-mail Server Group
L-3 Integrated Systems
903-457-3934

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Viewing vault duplication performance.

2006-10-19 Thread Veritas Netbackup
Thats awesome speed Richard,

I'll be in office in an hour and check the NBU GUI admin console for the feature.

I never explored that earlier.

Thanks will revert today night {IST}

Regards,
BIJUOn 10/20/06, Mansell, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My vault duplications are running at up to 160MB/s. My environment isWindows based and we have a 4 LT03 drive HP library.I did try turning on multiplexing but found that the write throughputgot worse the more I multiplexed so I have turned it back off for the
moment.The buffers will have an affect on performance. FWIW mine are set to:-C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS_DISK1048576C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS64
C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\ NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS_DISK64C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\db\config\ SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS 262144C:\..\VERITAS\NetBackup\NET_BUFFER_SZ
1048576What read speeds are you getting during the duplication process? If youhave a look in the 'All log entries' report in the gui you should see afigure for the read as well as the write process after each image is
duplicated.RegardsRichard-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of DarrenDunhamSent: Friday, 20 October 2006 9:08 amTo: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Viewing vault duplication performance.
 Revoking this thread since its absolutely essential to me. I read the mails, went to office and did a grep Kbytes/sec log.100906 in the bptm folder. I found that no single value was above 22 Mbytes/sec, shd that mean
 that my vaults are not above 22 Mbytes/sec. Is there anything specific in the log which I can search for clarifying my vault speed.**
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