Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

2007-07-25 Thread Curtis Preston
Yea, that's the one!

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VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

-Original Message-
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:45 PM
To: Curtis Preston; Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


Status 71 - None of the Files exist Curtis :-) !

Reading this thread, there seems to be either a lack of understand on
the
imporantance of Shadow Copy Components. My recommendation is that you
leave
well alone. If you do A_L_Drives, then a Win2k3 box WILL include this by
default. If your policy is configured for C:, E:, F: ect then its NOT
included.

We had a site that EXCLUDED Shadow Copy Components for their AD
Servers... And then wondered why they could not be restored !

It should NOT cause a failure if you have your environment configured
correctly. For example, all my Win2k3 Servers are in a specific policy.
If
you mix and match Win2k3 servers with a Win2k server in the same
policy,
then you will get failures. This is because VSS is not known by Windows
2000
or NT. 

If you are asking for VSS to be turned off (or disabled on the client),
then
its asking for trouble.

Also, in case it was not mentioned, from the Master Server, goto Host
Properties, click on the master, then right click your master server
name
and goto Properties.

From the Client Attributes Tab, you can add a client name (say Client1)
and
then click on the tab called Windows Open File Backup. From here you can
configure if Netbackup uses the Veritas VSP or Microsoft Shadow Copy
Service). If its unticked, it will not be used.

But remember, even if this is NOT ticked, the Shadow Copy Component
contians
critical system and registry files for the Win2k3 Servers. Therefore it
is
needed.

May I suggest you read this...
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/272538.htm and this
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/271828.htm although would hope
the
2nd does not apply to you now :-)

HTH - sorry if there is a duplication here on previous posts, but gotta
dash
!


Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis
Preston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:26 AM
To: Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


That hasn't been my experience.  If you configure a drive F: and there
isn't
an F:, you get a job that fails with no such drive.  I don't like
failures.

My opinion is that ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES is a good thing, and backing up an
extra
GB or too is a small price to pay.  The risk of what happens when you
DON'T
use it outweighs the value you're gaining by skipping those few GB.  200
clients backing up 2 extra GB = one tape ($75).  Big deal. Not having a
backup for a drive you need because you forgot to include it?  That's a
whole lot more than $75.  That could be an RPE (resume producing event).

---
W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Conner,
Neil
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:39 PM
To: Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components
fromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

Don't use ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES then.

Specify C: D: E: ... instead.  List all the drives possibly in use for
all
the clients in the policy - clients with fewer drives configured won't
complain.

Neil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin
Piszcz
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:24 PM
To: Curtis Preston
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components
from
ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

Already tried to exclude Shadow Copy Components:\ and System_State:\ no
go 
for either, its not needed in my environment, is 1-3GB and sometimes 
causes failures with various clients, its a waste of time/resources and
it 
will never be needed.  I have never had any luck excluding it though.


On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Curtis Preston wrote:

 OH!  That's not what you said...

 So you want an exclude pattern to exclude the registry.  Not sure if
you
 can do that.

 Another question is: why?  It's not that big.

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 Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
 VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies

 -Original Message-
 From: Justin Piszcz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:20 PM
 To: Curtis Preston
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: 

Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow CopyComponentsfromAL L_LOCAL_DRIVES?

2007-07-25 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)

No probs :-) - I agree, hate to see errors when they are not needed

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis
Preston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:52 AM
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow
CopyComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


Yea, that's the one!

---
W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

-Original Message-
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:45 PM
To: Curtis Preston; Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


Status 71 - None of the Files exist Curtis :-) !

Reading this thread, there seems to be either a lack of understand on the
imporantance of Shadow Copy Components. My recommendation is that you leave
well alone. If you do A_L_Drives, then a Win2k3 box WILL include this by
default. If your policy is configured for C:, E:, F: ect then its NOT
included.

We had a site that EXCLUDED Shadow Copy Components for their AD
Servers... And then wondered why they could not be restored !

It should NOT cause a failure if you have your environment configured
correctly. For example, all my Win2k3 Servers are in a specific policy. If
you mix and match Win2k3 servers with a Win2k server in the same policy,
then you will get failures. This is because VSS is not known by Windows 2000
or NT. 

If you are asking for VSS to be turned off (or disabled on the client), then
its asking for trouble.

Also, in case it was not mentioned, from the Master Server, goto Host
Properties, click on the master, then right click your master server name
and goto Properties.

From the Client Attributes Tab, you can add a client name (say Client1)
and
then click on the tab called Windows Open File Backup. From here you can
configure if Netbackup uses the Veritas VSP or Microsoft Shadow Copy
Service). If its unticked, it will not be used.

But remember, even if this is NOT ticked, the Shadow Copy Component contians
critical system and registry files for the Win2k3 Servers. Therefore it is
needed.

May I suggest you read this...
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/272538.htm and this
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/271828.htm although would hope the
2nd does not apply to you now :-)

HTH - sorry if there is a duplication here on previous posts, but gotta dash
!


Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis
Preston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:26 AM
To: Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


That hasn't been my experience.  If you configure a drive F: and there isn't
an F:, you get a job that fails with no such drive.  I don't like
failures.

My opinion is that ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES is a good thing, and backing up an extra
GB or too is a small price to pay.  The risk of what happens when you DON'T
use it outweighs the value you're gaining by skipping those few GB.  200
clients backing up 2 extra GB = one tape ($75).  Big deal. Not having a
backup for a drive you need because you forgot to include it?  That's a
whole lot more than $75.  That could be an RPE (resume producing event).

---
W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Conner, Neil
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:39 PM
To: Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components
fromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

Don't use ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES then.

Specify C: D: E: ... instead.  List all the drives possibly in use for all
the clients in the policy - clients with fewer drives configured won't
complain.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin
Piszcz
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:24 PM
To: Curtis Preston
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components from
ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

Already tried to exclude Shadow Copy Components:\ and System_State:\ no go 
for either, its not needed in my environment, is 1-3GB and sometimes 
causes failures with various clients, its a waste of time/resources and it 
will never be 

[Veritas-bu] Corrupt file system on Solaris 9. NetBackup 6.0 MP4

2007-07-25 Thread Clem Kruger (C)

Hi Gang,
 
I am hoping one of the NetBackup/SUN UNIX Guru's might be able to help
here.
 
We have a strange issue here at the moment. We have created a separate
file system for NetBackup on /opt/openv. The /opt/openv filesystem
filled with logs in the /opt/openv/logs directory. When doing a fsck
on the file system, there seemed to be some of the files which were
hurt. 

 When starting NetBackup, we are told that the NB_dbsrv must be
running for NetBackup to start.  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] # netbackup start
NetBackup will not run without /usr/openv/db/bin/NB_dbsrv running
NetBackup Notification Service started.
NetBackup Enterprise Media Manager started.
NetBackup Resource Broker started.
NetBackup request daemon started.
NetBackup compatibility daemon started.
NetBackup Job Manager started.
NetBackup Policy Execution Manager started.
NetBackup Service Layer started.
NetBackup Bare Metal Restore daemon started.
NetBackup Vault daemon started.
NetBackup is not configured for clustering.
NetBackup Service Monitor started.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] # /usr/openv/db/bin/NB_dbsrv
ld.so.1: dbsrv9: fatal: libdbserv9_r.so: open failed: No such file or
directory
Killed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] # cd ../db/lib
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  # ls -la
total 73444
drwxr-xr-x  2 root bin 1024 Jul 24 16:02 .
drwxr-xr-x  12 root bin  512 Jul 25 09:06 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root other18701824 Jul 24 15:53 ck
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   15 Jul 24 16:02 libdbaes_r.so -
libdbaes_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin25672 Apr 15  2004 libdbaes_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   14 Jul 24 16:02 libdbcis9.so -
libdbcis9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   566320 Dec 21  2004 libdbcis9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   14 Jul 24 16:02 libdbextf.so -
libdbextf.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin28268 Dec 21  2004 libdbextf.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdbjodbc9.so
- libdbjodbc9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   519336 Dec 21  2004 libdbjodbc9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   14 Jul 24 16:02 libdblib9.so -
libdblib9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   856852 Dec 21  2004 libdblib9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdblib9_r.so
- libdblib9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   877284 Dec 21  2004 libdblib9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   15 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodbc9.so -
libdbodbc9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   166488 Dec 21  2004 libdbodbc9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodbc9_n.so
- libdbodbc9_n.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1030508 Dec 21  2004
libdbodbc9_n.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodbc9_r.so
- libdbodbc9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1052184 Dec 21  2004
libdbodbc9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodm9_r.so
- libdbodm9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   256524 Dec 21  2004 libdbodm9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbserv9_r.so
- libdbserv9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  8857592 Dec 21  2004
libdbserv9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtasks9.so
- libdbtasks9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin20992 Dec 21  2004 libdbtasks9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   18 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtasks9_r.so
- libdbtasks9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin29784 Dec 21  2004
libdbtasks9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   15 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtool9.so -
libdbtool9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1559544 Dec 21  2004 libdbtool9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtool9_r.so
- libdbtool9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1565980 Dec 21  2004
libdbtool9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbunic9_r.so
- libdbunic9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   567568 Dec 21  2004
libdbunic9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbxwin9_r.so
- libdbxwin9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin63776 Dec 21  2004
libdbxwin9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libmljodbc9.so
- libmljodbc9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   519336 Dec 21  2004 libmljodbc9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin58300 Nov  3  2006 libsybackubr.so
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   13 Jul 24 16:02 libsybbr.so -
libsybbr.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin52888 Dec 21  2004 libsybbr.so.1
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Regards,

 

 

Clem Kruger

Telkom SA Ltd

ITS Infrastructure Storage Management

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Cross Site Clustering

2007-07-25 Thread rcarlisle
Are you using VCS?  We have done a lot of cross site clustering with VCS.
One solution is to have a storage unit at each site, and customize the
online and offline scripts to change the policy to point to the correct
storage unit.
 
Reneé Carlisle 
ServerWare Corporation
 
 



 

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Subject: [Veritas-bu] Cross Site Clustering



Hi Guys 

Anyone have any cross site clusters? 

I was wondering what solution you have in place (if there is one) to ensure
the local storage unit always performs the backup or a backup client which
is cross site clustered.

As you back up the virtual name you follow the clustered instance around by
the storage unit is doesn’t change dynamically

Any ideas or suggestions? 

Regards 
Tal 




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Re: [Veritas-bu] Cross Site Clustering

2007-07-25 Thread Flavio Huerlimann
Hi Tal

As long as the DNS (and it's reverse lookup
configuration) is working or a good host files exists,
you also can backup the physical names, although
they're not defined in the bp.conf (or registry).
Just add the physical name(s) to the policy and back
it up (just make sure you don't backup the same FS as
with the virtual name(s) and also make sure that the
backup might not take place at the same time (or
increase amount of jobs per client).

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--- Shekel, Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Guys
 
 Anyone have any cross site clusters?
 
 I was wondering what solution you have in place (if
 there is one) to
 ensure the local storage unit always performs the
 backup or a backup
 client which is cross site clustered.
 As you back up the virtual name you follow the
 clustered instance around
 by the storage unit is doesn't change dynamically
 
 Any ideas or suggestions?
 
 Regards
 Tal
 
 
 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Corrupt file system on Solaris 9. NetBackup 6.0 MP4

2007-07-25 Thread rcarlisle
Clem,
 
In 6.0 on Solaris, I have seen when the logs fill up that sometimes some
defunct emm database processes stay out there that don't necessarily show
with a bpps -a.  I would suggest bringing down all NetBackup services and
then do a ps -ef and look for any netbackup, emm, or defunct processes.
Make sure that everything is really stopped.  Then try restarting NetBackup
again.
 
 
 
Reneé Carlisle 
ServerWare Corporation
 
 



 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Cross Site Clustering

2007-07-25 Thread Shekel, Tal
Thanks

I think that could cause a error on the passive node as this is for a
Oracle cluster
I may be able to pull it off if I get the script to check if the db is
running locally and exit if it is not

Thanks Guys

Regards

Tal 



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From: Flavio Huerlimann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 25 July 2007 13:30
To: Shekel, Tal; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Cross Site Clustering


Hi Tal

As long as the DNS (and it's reverse lookup
configuration) is working or a good host files exists,
you also can backup the physical names, although
they're not defined in the bp.conf (or registry).
Just add the physical name(s) to the policy and back
it up (just make sure you don't backup the same FS as
with the virtual name(s) and also make sure that the
backup might not take place at the same time (or
increase amount of jobs per client).

Cheers
Flave


--- Shekel, Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Guys
 
 Anyone have any cross site clusters?
 
 I was wondering what solution you have in place (if
 there is one) to
 ensure the local storage unit always performs the
 backup or a backup
 client which is cross site clustered.
 As you back up the virtual name you follow the
 clustered instance around
 by the storage unit is doesn't change dynamically
 
 Any ideas or suggestions?
 
 Regards
 Tal
 
 
 


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

2007-07-25 Thread Paul Keating


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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
 Of Curtis Preston
 Sent: July 25, 2007 1:26 AM
 To: Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
 Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy 
 ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?
 
 
 That hasn't been my experience.  If you configure a drive F: and there
 isn't an F:, you get a job that fails with no such drive.  I don't
 like failures.

Incorrect.
If you specify F:\ a the only entry in the backup selection list and it
does not exist, you will get a status 71.
If you specify C:\, D:\ and F:\, and the system has a C and D drive, but
no F drive, you will not get a failure.

 My opinion is that ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES is a good thing, and backing up an
 extra GB or too is a small price to pay.  The risk of what 
 happens when
 you DON'T use it outweighs the value you're gaining by skipping those
 few GB.  200 clients backing up 2 extra GB = one tape ($75).  
 Big deal.
 Not having a backup for a drive you need because you forgot to include
 it?  That's a whole lot more than $75.  That could be an RPE (resume
 producing event).

If anyone is still running one of the affected MP levels, there was an
issue where netbackup would backup directory structure but no data, and
explicitly specifying the drive letters was a documented work around for
that issue.

Paul


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

2007-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz



On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Paul Keating wrote:





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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy 
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?



That hasn't been my experience.  If you configure a drive F: and there
isn't an F:, you get a job that fails with no such drive.  I don't
like failures.


Incorrect.
If you specify F:\ a the only entry in the backup selection list and it
does not exist, you will get a status 71.
If you specify C:\, D:\ and F:\, and the system has a C and D drive, but
no F drive, you will not get a failure.

You will if you use multi-streaming because each drive is its own 
stream/job and that is what most people do for speed purposes :)



My opinion is that ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES is a good thing, and backing up an
extra GB or too is a small price to pay.  The risk of what 
happens when

you DON'T use it outweighs the value you're gaining by skipping those
few GB.  200 clients backing up 2 extra GB = one tape ($75). 
Big deal.

Not having a backup for a drive you need because you forgot to include
it?  That's a whole lot more than $75.  That could be an RPE (resume
producing event).


If anyone is still running one of the affected MP levels, there was an
issue where netbackup would backup directory structure but no data, and
explicitly specifying the drive letters was a documented work around for
that issue.

Paul


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Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions

2007-07-25 Thread Dyck, Jonathan
Ed, I 100% agree with what you've said below.  For my traditional and
small environment (only about 550 servers), what I've outlined is
extremely useful, especially since it works for both Netbackup and
Backup Exec clients in a similar manner.  And no, a single report will
never be able to get you all the information you need (for example,
there a second NBU specific report that gets at least a little closer to
giving accurate results on what you describe below in interpreting
schedules and report on backup success, believe they call it
client_sla_summary_report or something).

These reports don't replace one of my major functions, which is to
follow-up and design a lot of those said one-offs.  I certainly wouldn't
want to be without the reports though, now that I know the value of
them.  My single biggest concern is the interpretation of these reports,
and being able to explain without a doubt why an entry is or isn't in
them.

Thanks for the comments Ed.

Cheers,
Jon




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To: Dyck, Jonathan; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] retentions

This doesn't really address all of the issues.  In order for this to
work, you have to know what the schedule of the jobs are supposed to be.
We've got a ton of backups that only run monthly and another ton that
only run semi-annually.  Unless I sit down with a calendar, telling when
the last full backup was and comparing that to what it should be is not
going to be trivial.

What's important to know is not when the last backup was, but when the
last backup was *supposed to be*.  To do that, you need to dig into the
scheduler and that is where it gets tough.  For one client having a
weekly full is supposed to be normal.  For another, I may not try to
back it for 6 months and that's perfectly normal.

Reports like this are great if you have a simple environment and
everybody does your standard daily/weekly/monthly style backups.  Not
everybody does their weekly fulls on a weekend and incremental during
the week and calls it a day.  Any backup software can do that.

I've got similar issues with Aptare's projections for tape consumption.
In our environment it's absolutely useless since it's based on the day
of the week and not on the NetBackup schedules.  If it really wanted to
a fantastic job (hint, hint), dig into the policies and schedules, its
own historical database, and realize that the 2TB backup I did 6 months
ago will be done again.  I've got about 100TB of storage on a
semi-annual backup schedule.
To be able to get accurate estimates of those jobs coming up would be
sweet...

Again, there's no point in telling me when the last backup was.  What I
want to know is if the backups are getting done when they're supposed to
be done.
This gets even more complicated when you've got multiple policies for
the same client - something that in some cases you *have* to do.

Backup reporting and auditing is hard.  StorageConsole does a good job
at what it's attempted to bite off but it could still get better.  And
yes, I realize that our environment is non-traditional and that
sometimes we're just not going to get a solution unless we write it
ourselves.

.../Ed

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:veritas-bu- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dyck, Jonathan
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:37 PM
 To: Wayne T Smith; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
 
 Just to chime in on the Aptare reports...
 
 They have an automated report (out of the box, but not really) you 
 can cron/windows schedule to run that will give you the following 
 details on full backups...
 (hope your screens large enough to make out the headings...).   Great
 way to stop sys admins bugging you about last successful backups.
 
 
 
LATEST FULL
 BACKUP LAST 60 DAYS
 CLIENT SERVER  LAST FULL
 MBYTES   FILES  AVG MBYTES   AVG FILES
 -- --  -
 --   -  --   -
 
 
 
 With a little fiddling, you can get something that looks like the 
 following all in one email...
 
 1) Missing Backups (from last window any scheduled backup that has yet

 to run or has failed)
 2) Last successful full backup attempt
 3) Any skipped files during last backup
 
 Get the right person on a DL for an email, and you're laughing.
 
 Cheers,
 Jon
 
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 T Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:29 PM
 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
 
 I, too, agree the 2-week retention should be 

Re: [Veritas-bu] DSSU on Nexsan MAID-enabled devices?

2007-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz
I believe 6.5 is supposed to have exclusive support for this(?) if I 
recall seeing something about it in their 6.5 detail/PDFs.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Ed Wilts wrote:

 The Nexsan SATAbeast has some built in maid-features like parking the heads,
 slowing the drive rotation, and powering down a drive.  Has anybody actually
 enabled any of these features when using them for DSSU space?  I'm curious
 to see how fast the drives will spin back up and if that will trigger a host
 time-out first or not.   As VTLs, I would expect the timeouts to be longer,
 but for DSSUs, it's simply a file open.We're looking at a SATAbeast for
 both Solaris and Windows media servers.



 Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.



 Thanks,

   ./Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6 MP4 on RHEL5 Client:Installation problem

2007-07-25 Thread Andrew Stueve
As everyone is telling you, you need xinetd settings.  Not a big deal.

HOWEVER! This install is for linux 2.4 kernel, and RHEL5 is 2.6.  Not a
big deal, except the gcc changed.  You have to make sure you have all
the gcc 2.96 compatibility packages installed for legacy support.

-Andrew Stueve

rizalman_almasi wrote:
 Dears..
 I'm new to the Symantec Netbackup.
 
 My environment consists of one master that is run on Windows Server 2000 (NBU 
 6 MP4). I have a problem with one of my client that used RHEL5. The client 
 installation seems not succesful.
 
 This is log that I got from install trace:
 
 VERITAS Installation Script
 Copyright 1993 - 2005 VERITAS Software Corporation, All Rights Reserved.
 
 
 Installing NetBackup Client Software
 
  NOTE:  To install NetBackup Server software, insert the appropriate
 NetBackup Server cdrom.
 
 Do you wish to continue? [y,n] (y) y
 Do you want to install the NetBackup client software for this client? [y,n] 
 (y) y
 
 OS Level Options
 
 1. IBMzSeriesLinux2.4.21
 2. RedHat2.4
 q To quit from this script
 
 If your Operating System is a newer level than those listed,
 choose the highest level.
 
 Enter Choice [1 - 2] 2
 
 This package will install Linux/RedHat2.4 client.
 
 This package will install NetBackup client 6.0.
 
 Enter the name of the NetBackup server : mtx2backup
 
 Would you like to use ams as the configured
 name of the NetBackup client? [y,n] (y) y
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[Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread Forester, Jack L
We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In general I
think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain
operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our
systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,
getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI takes 3-4
minutes.

Anyone else finding that using 6.0 is a lesson in patience?

Jack L. Forester, Jr.
UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf
Lockheed Martin Information Technology
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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz
MP4 fixed all of my issues, after that if I had the problem, re-installing 
or deleting/re-adding the media server seemed to help.  It is hard to 
explain but the end result is vmoprcmd timed out and failed, if yours is 
working after  30 seconds, then I am not sure what could be causing that. 
It makes sense it takes longer to run though because it has to talk to the 
master server to get that information.

Justin.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Allen, Jimmy wrote:

 What is the bug and how do we fix it?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Piszcz
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Forester, Jack L;
 NetBackup List
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

 I noticed there is a bug, in some cases, if NBEMM screws up, vmoprcmd
 can take a very long time and possibly time out FYI.

 Justin.

 On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did notice that vmoprcmd does take slightly longer to run, but for
 me its only about 15 second difference.  It appears that running it in

 6 generates better formatted output with more info, which may account
 for some extra time.

 But in general I have noticed that operations in the Java Console do
 take longer to return results.


 Jared M. Seaton
 Recovery Administrator
 Mylan Laboratories Inc.
 304-554-5926




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 We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In general
 I think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain

 operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our
 systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,

 getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI takes
 3-4 minutes.

 Anyone else finding that using 6.0 is a lesson in patience?

 Jack L. Forester, Jr.
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 Lockheed Martin Information Technology
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Corrupt file system on Solaris 9. NetBackup 6.0 MP4

2007-07-25 Thread Patrick
You could also try fuser /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/* and see what process are
being used.

 

Regards,

 

Patrick Whelan

VERITAS Certified NetBackup Support Engineer for UNIX.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rcarlisle
Sent: 25 July 2007 13:12
To: 'Clem Kruger (C)'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Corrupt file system on Solaris 9. NetBackup 6.0
MP4

 

Clem,

 

In 6.0 on Solaris, I have seen when the logs fill up that sometimes some
defunct emm database processes stay out there that don't necessarily show
with a bpps -a.  I would suggest bringing down all NetBackup services and
then do a ps -ef and look for any netbackup, emm, or defunct processes.
Make sure that everything is really stopped.  Then try restarting NetBackup
again.

 

 

 

Reneé Carlisle 

ServerWare Corporation

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

2007-07-25 Thread Curtis Preston
I have a different way of handling that requirement.

 

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Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com

VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies



From: Steven L. Sesar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Curtis Preston
Cc: Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

 

The only other justification I can think of for using an external
scheduler, is, when there are batch processing operations against, say,
Oracle databases,  which need to run during your backup window. Using
the same batch processing application, you can add a backup to the
chain. This is a very specific situation - backups of Oracle databases
and batch processing against said databases which need to occur during
the same backup window. 

We toyed with the idea, but in the end, we pushed back on the apps folks
to fix their apps, so chains would run quicker and run either before our
backups begin, or after they complete. We are currently considering
hardware-based snapshot capability and array-based replication, which
will give our apps folks back some time for chains to run.

--Steve



Curtis Preston wrote: 

While I agree with Justin's response, I really don't like using external
schedulers for NetBackup unless absolutely necessary.  The only real
requirement I can think of that would force me to an external scheduler
is multi-host dependencies, because external schedulers are really good
at that.  

 

I've seen the following justifications:

1.  I want a backup job to run exactly at 3 AM.

a.  You can do that with NBU, good windows, and dedicated
resources.

2.  I want to tell all my jobs exactly when to run.

a.  Why?  Stop over engineering your backup environment.
Let go and let Symantec. ;)  You'll be amazed at how well run a NBU
environment can be if you just give all your backups the same window,
the same resources, and just set priorities.  It's a beautiful thing and
requires VERY little maintenance.

2.  An external scheduler is already hooked into our overall
reporting mechanism.

a.  Lousy excuse to cripple the NBU scheduler.  Spend the
time necessary to hook NBU into your overall reporting mechanism.

 

Short of the one valid reason I've seen (multi-host dependencies),
you'll never approach the level of resource utilization and efficiency
that the NetBackup scheduler can give you by using an external
scheduler.  For example, while NBU can have thousands of queued jobs
waiting for resource (to make sure that something is always using the
tape drives) without consuming any additional resources, doing that with
an external scheduler is impossible.

 

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Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT)
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:55 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

 

Have you guys ever used an external scheduler? 

I'm trying to figure out if that impacts Policy Prioritization or not. 

Since our backups aren't scheduled thru NetBackup (there are schedules,
but no windows) does prioritization come into play or no?

 

We're running 5.1 MP6. 

TIA, 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Corrupt file system on Solaris 9. NetBackup 6.0 MP4

2007-07-25 Thread Dominik Pietrzykowski
 

Hi Clem,

 

Make sure you log a sev 1 with support ASAP if you haven't already.

 

In the mean time ...

 

Might be best to apply MP4 to replace the files, I believe most of the lib
ones are in there but make sure they are being updated as one of them is
probably corrupt. Otheriwse grab them from the CD.

 

It may start after you have done that.

 

So did fsck repair many files ???

 

You may also want to run : vxlogmgr -del   to clear up the log files if
there are a lot of them. But copy some of the new ones just in case support
want them.

 

I had a similar issue due to logs filling up disk but this one sounds more
serious.

 

Good luck,

 

Dom

 

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From: Clem Kruger (C) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007 5:45 PM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Corrupt file system on Solaris 9. NetBackup 6.0 MP4

 

Hi Gang,

 

I am hoping one of the NetBackup/SUN UNIX Guru's might be able to help here.

 

We have a strange issue here at the moment.We have created a separate file
system for NetBackup on /opt/openv. The /opt/openv filesystem filled with
logs in the /opt/openv/logs directory. When doing a fsck on the file system,
there seemed to be some of the files which were hurt. 

 When starting NetBackup, we are told that the NB_dbsrv must be running for
NetBackup to start.  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  # netbackup start
NetBackup will not run without /usr/openv/db/bin/NB_dbsrv running
NetBackup Notification Service started.
NetBackup Enterprise Media Manager started.
NetBackup Resource Broker started.
NetBackup request daemon started.
NetBackup compatibility daemon started.
NetBackup Job Manager started.
NetBackup Policy Execution Manager started.
NetBackup Service Layer started.
NetBackup Bare Metal Restore daemon started.
NetBackup Vault daemon started.
NetBackup is not configured for clustering.
NetBackup Service Monitor started.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #
/usr/openv/db/bin/NB_dbsrv
ld.so.1: dbsrv9: fatal: libdbserv9_r.so: open failed: No such file or
directory
Killed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  # cd ../db/lib
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  # ls -la
total 73444
drwxr-xr-x  2 root bin 1024 Jul 24 16:02 .
drwxr-xr-x  12 root bin  512 Jul 25 09:06 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root other18701824 Jul 24 15:53 ck
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   15 Jul 24 16:02 libdbaes_r.so -
libdbaes_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin25672 Apr 15  2004 libdbaes_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   14 Jul 24 16:02 libdbcis9.so -
libdbcis9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   566320 Dec 21  2004 libdbcis9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   14 Jul 24 16:02 libdbextf.so -
libdbextf.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin28268 Dec 21  2004 libdbextf.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdbjodbc9.so -
libdbjodbc9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   519336 Dec 21  2004 libdbjodbc9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   14 Jul 24 16:02 libdblib9.so -
libdblib9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   856852 Dec 21  2004 libdblib9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdblib9_r.so -
libdblib9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   877284 Dec 21  2004 libdblib9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   15 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodbc9.so -
libdbodbc9.so.1
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lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodbc9_n.so -
libdbodbc9_n.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1030508 Dec 21  2004 libdbodbc9_n.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodbc9_r.so -
libdbodbc9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1052184 Dec 21  2004 libdbodbc9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdbodm9_r.so -
libdbodm9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin   256524 Dec 21  2004 libdbodm9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbserv9_r.so -
libdbserv9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  8857592 Dec 21  2004 libdbserv9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   16 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtasks9.so -
libdbtasks9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin20992 Dec 21  2004 libdbtasks9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   18 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtasks9_r.so -
libdbtasks9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin29784 Dec 21  2004 libdbtasks9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   15 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtool9.so -
libdbtool9.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1559544 Dec 21  2004 libdbtool9.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbtool9_r.so -
libdbtool9_r.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root bin  1565980 Dec 21  2004 libdbtool9_r.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root bin   17 Jul 24 16:02 libdbunic9_r.so -
libdbunic9_r.so.1
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

2007-07-25 Thread Shekel, Tal
Yes - 

It will still work
The jobs will run as user jobs which are prioritised

Regards
Tal


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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT) wrote:

 Have you guys ever used an external scheduler?

 I'm trying to figure out if that impacts Policy Prioritization or not.

 Since our backups aren't scheduled thru NetBackup (there are
schedules,
 but no windows) does prioritization come into play or no?

 We're running 5.1 MP6.

 TIA,
 Kate




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Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

2007-07-25 Thread Curtis Preston
See below.

Incorrect.
If you specify F:\ a the only entry in the backup selection list and it
does not exist, you will get a status 71.
If you specify C:\, D:\ and F:\, and the system has a C and D drive,
but
no F drive, you will not get a failure.

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stream/job and that is what most people do for speed purposes :)

Right.  And I almost always use multistreaming for many other reasons.

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[Veritas-bu] Re: NBU 6 MP4 on RHEL5 Client:Installation problem

2007-07-25 Thread rizalman_almasi


Shekel, Tal wrote:
 Until you have an [x]inetd process running the system wont be able to
 listen for bpcd connections
 
 You can start bpcd in standalone mode (bpcd -standalone) on the client
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that will be helpful
thanks a lot.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz
I noticed there is a bug, in some cases, if NBEMM screws up, vmoprcmd can 
take a very long time and possibly time out FYI.

Justin.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did notice that vmoprcmd does take slightly longer to run, but for me
 its only about 15 second difference.  It appears that running it in 6
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 some extra time.

 But in general I have noticed that operations in the Java Console do take
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 We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In general I
 think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain
 operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our
 systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,
 getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI takes 3-4
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[Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

2007-07-25 Thread Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT)
Have you guys ever used an external scheduler?

I'm trying to figure out if that impacts Policy Prioritization or not. 

Since our backups aren't scheduled thru NetBackup (there are schedules,
but no windows) does prioritization come into play or no?

We're running 5.1 MP6.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread Jared . Seaton
I did notice that vmoprcmd does take slightly longer to run, but for me 
its only about 15 second difference.  It appears that running it in 6 
generates better formatted output with more info, which may account for 
some extra time.

But in general I have noticed that operations in the Java Console do take 
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Jared M. Seaton
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We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In general I
think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain
operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our
systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,
getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI takes 3-4
minutes.

Anyone else finding that using 6.0 is a lesson in patience?

Jack L. Forester, Jr.
UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf
Lockheed Martin Information Technology
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

2007-07-25 Thread Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT)
They aren't user jobs, they are run with bpbackup -i. 

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Yes - 

It will still work
The jobs will run as user jobs which are prioritised

Regards
Tal


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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?



On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT) wrote:

 Have you guys ever used an external scheduler?

 I'm trying to figure out if that impacts Policy Prioritization or not.

 Since our backups aren't scheduled thru NetBackup (there are
schedules,
 but no windows) does prioritization come into play or no?

 We're running 5.1 MP6.

 TIA,
 Kate




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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread ckstehman
I also agree that things take longer, particularly starting NBConsole on 
Windows.
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I did notice that vmoprcmd does take slightly longer to run, but for me 
its only about 15 second difference.  It appears that running it in 6 
generates better formatted output with more info, which may account for 
some extra time. 

But in general I have noticed that operations in the Java Console do take 
longer to return results. 


Jared M. Seaton
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We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In general I
think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain
operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our
systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,
getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI takes 3-4
minutes.

Anyone else finding that using 6.0 is a lesson in patience?

Jack L. Forester, Jr.
UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf
Lockheed Martin Information Technology
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

2007-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz


On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Greenberg, Katherine (ISD, IT) wrote:

 Have you guys ever used an external scheduler?

 I'm trying to figure out if that impacts Policy Prioritization or not.

 Since our backups aren't scheduled thru NetBackup (there are schedules,
 but no windows) does prioritization come into play or no?

 We're running 5.1 MP6.

 TIA,
 Kate


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[Veritas-bu] Upgrade NB 6.0 MP3 to MP4

2007-07-25 Thread malabelle

Hi,

I'm new to Nb.

if I need to upgrade my clients to MP4, do I absolutely need to backup my 
master server (solaris 9) to MP4 too? or keeping it at mp3 is ok?

Thanks,

Marc-Andre Labelle

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade NB 6.0 MP3 to MP4

2007-07-25 Thread Kenneth W Wilkinson
Yes.  Other way not supported.  

kww

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Hi,

I'm new to Nb.

if I need to upgrade my clients to MP4, do I absolutely need to backup
my master server (solaris 9) to MP4 too? or keeping it at mp3 is ok?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread Allen, Jimmy
What is the bug and how do we fix it? 

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I noticed there is a bug, in some cases, if NBEMM screws up, vmoprcmd
can take a very long time and possibly time out FYI.

Justin.

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 I did notice that vmoprcmd does take slightly longer to run, but for 
 me its only about 15 second difference.  It appears that running it in

 6 generates better formatted output with more info, which may account 
 for some extra time.

 But in general I have noticed that operations in the Java Console do 
 take longer to return results.


 Jared M. Seaton
 Recovery Administrator
 Mylan Laboratories Inc.
 304-554-5926




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 We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In general 
 I think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain

 operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our 
 systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,

 getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI takes 
 3-4 minutes.

 Anyone else finding that using 6.0 is a lesson in patience?

 Jack L. Forester, Jr.
 UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf
 Lockheed Martin Information Technology
 (304) 625-3946
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[Veritas-bu] Problem connecting Quantum i2000

2007-07-25 Thread David McWilliams

Has anyone run across this dilemma

The following are connected via F/C switch:
Quantum i2000 Scalar tape library
6 tape drives
IBM RS6000 (Veritas 6.0-mr4 Master server)

The switch is:
IBM TotalStorage San16B-2 (switch)

Problem: no robot ID to use for making ovpass

Quantum provided one solution (that worked in Veritas 5) no scsi address
available for ovpass so use the scsi address from rmt0

This seems to work until robtest is used then it becomes apparent that there
is still a problem- (device mapping)

How do I get the correct address for the robot  lun.

Is this a case that I am using the wrong method or is this a case that I am
using the correct method but the device mapping is not functioning correctly


Any help will be appreciated


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Priority w/ an External Scheduler?

2007-07-25 Thread Curtis Preston
While I agree with Justin's response, I really don't like using external
schedulers for NetBackup unless absolutely necessary.  The only real
requirement I can think of that would force me to an external scheduler
is multi-host dependencies, because external schedulers are really good
at that.  

 

I've seen the following justifications:

1.  I want a backup job to run exactly at 3 AM.

a.  You can do that with NBU, good windows, and dedicated
resources.

2.  I want to tell all my jobs exactly when to run.

a.  Why?  Stop over engineering your backup environment.
Let go and let Symantec. ;)  You'll be amazed at how well run a NBU
environment can be if you just give all your backups the same window,
the same resources, and just set priorities.  It's a beautiful thing and
requires VERY little maintenance.

3.  An external scheduler is already hooked into our overall
reporting mechanism.

a.  Lousy excuse to cripple the NBU scheduler.  Spend the
time necessary to hook NBU into your overall reporting mechanism.

 

Short of the one valid reason I've seen (multi-host dependencies),
you'll never approach the level of resource utilization and efficiency
that the NetBackup scheduler can give you by using an external
scheduler.  For example, while NBU can have thousands of queued jobs
waiting for resource (to make sure that something is always using the
tape drives) without consuming any additional resources, doing that with
an external scheduler is impossible.

 

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Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com

VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies



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Have you guys ever used an external scheduler? 

I'm trying to figure out if that impacts Policy Prioritization or not. 

Since our backups aren't scheduled thru NetBackup (there are schedules,
but no windows) does prioritization come into play or no?

 

We're running 5.1 MP6. 

TIA, 
Kate 




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Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade NB 6.0 MP3 to MP4

2007-07-25 Thread Shekel, Tal
Looks like you have your answer

You should also try keep any db agents at the same MP as the master
I have seen issues from this with the Oracle agent




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Hi,

I'm new to Nb.

if I need to upgrade my clients to MP4, do I absolutely need to backup
my master server (solaris 9) to MP4 too? or keeping it at mp3 is ok?

Thanks,

Marc-Andre Labelle

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 6.0 - Patience required

2007-07-25 Thread Brooks, Jason
I had an issue, pre MP4, of the console on Win taking a good while to open.
It started with some MP3 troubles, but MP4 cleared that. 

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 I also agree that things take longer, particularly starting 
 NBConsole on Windows. 
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 I did notice that vmoprcmd does take slightly longer to run, 
 but for me its only about 15 second difference.  It appears 
 that running it in 6 generates better formatted output with 
 more info, which may account for some extra time. 
 
 But in general I have noticed that operations in the Java 
 Console do take longer to return results. 
 
 
 Jared M. Seaton
 Recovery Administrator
 Mylan Laboratories Inc.
 304-554-5926
 
 
 
 Forester, Jack L [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 07/25/2007 01:05 PM 
 
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 We upgraded to 6.0MP4 from 5.1 a little over a month ago.  In 
 general I
 think it's better than 5.1, but has anyone else noticed that certain
 operations take longer?  Running vmoprcmd takes 90 seconds on our
 systems now whereas it used to take a couple of seconds before.  Also,
 getting the media server list in 'host porperties' in the GUI 
 takes 3-4
 minutes.
 
 Anyone else finding that using 6.0 is a lesson in patience?
 
 Jack L. Forester, Jr.
 UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf
 Lockheed Martin Information Technology
 (304) 625-3946
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