Re: [Veritas-bu] Device Recognition in RHEL5/NBU7
Tape Drives are not supporting multipathing. Thanks, Alex Leikin Loblaw Infrastructure Production Delivery Service/NetBackup alexander.lei...@loblaw.ca 905-459-2500x628723 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Heathe Yeakley Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:59 AM To: NetBackup Mailing List Subject: [Veritas-bu] Device Recognition in RHEL5/NBU7 I've just finished building a new NetBackup environment. NBU is 7.0 and the OS is Red Hat Enterprise 5. When I brought up the NBU interface to configure the libraries, I'm seeing each one of my libraries multiple times. I have 1 master and 2 media servers. Each has 4 Qlogic HBAs in them. I've zoned all 4 of the HBAs in the master and the first 2 in both media (I'm going to use the other 2 HBAs for SAN clients). I've double checked my SAN zoning and multipathd config in Red Hat and everything looks fine to me. I have a feeling this is going to be a 'doh!' moment when I finally figure out the issue. Anyone else out there running Fibre Channel drives in RHEL? What do you do to get the OS to just see 1 device with multiple paths instead of thinking each path = 1 device? Thanks. - HKY ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Need HELP!!!!
Do you have firewall between master and client? If you telnet from master to client bpcd port and try to break connection with CTR+C what happens? Thanks, Alex Leikin Loblaw Infrastructure Production Delivery Service/NetBackup alexander.lei...@loblaw.ca 905-459-2500x628723 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of fredsharky Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:12 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Need HELP We have a Solaris master server and windows vm client on 5.1 We can telnet, ping, traceroute, getconfig and anything else you can think of to each other. The problem we are having is when we go to the host properties clients clietn, it takes forever and a day to connect, it should time out, but never does. It does this on both the client and the master. traceroute is only one hop and comes back instantly as does the telnets and pings. If more information is needed please ask. +-- |This was sent by fwa...@acxiom.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Can't get nbu to use drives, and cant 'up' the drives.
What is the output of tpconfig -d ? Thanks, Alex Leikin Loblaw Infrastructure Production Delivery Service/NetBackup alexander.lei...@loblaw.ca 905-459-2500x628723 -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of ddobek Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:15 AM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can't get nbu to use drives, and cant 'up' the drives. tsimerson wrote: I think we're going to need some more information about your environment to help: 1. What operating system and version is your master/media server? 2. How are the tape drives attached (SCSI, fibre channel, etc.)? The 800 code is a fairly generic message stating the NBU cannot talk to the drives. We are using solaris and we are on netbackup 6.0. Our tapes are SCSI attached. I can see the drives in the device monitor, but they stay down, will not come up. Under the 'control' tab, they are DOWN-TLD every job that gets ran fails. thanks. +-- |This was sent by devon_do...@mentor.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] backup failing with error 13
Hi Justin, It could be some directory with the large number of files. Create /usr/openv/netbackup/logs/bpbkar directory on the client and you will find which files/directory are problematic from the babkar log. Set verbosity to 4 at least on the client in bp.conf Add this directory to exclude_list file on the client and try backup again until you find all problems. Alex -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Piszcz Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 5:58 AM To: SACHIN ARORA Cc: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] backup failing with error 13 Hi, 1. Create bptm/bpcd/bpbrm logs on the master,media,client. 2. Set VEROBSE = 5 on all 3. 3. Reproduce the error. 4. Show the log. Justin. On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, SACHIN ARORA wrote: Hi Guys, We have 1 server failing with error 13 Details : Master server : solaris 10 : netbackup 6.5.4 Clent : Windows 2003 Issue : server is failing with error 13 after witing considerable amount of dara Action : I enabled multistreaming .After that only E drive is failing with error 13 every time : Logs : 12/26/2009 01:01:19 - Error bpbrm (pid=21743) socket read failed: errno = 131 - Connection reset by peer 12/26/2009 01:01:20 - Error bpbrm (pid=21743) could not send server status message 12/26/2009 01:01:23 - end writing; write time: 2:49:08 file read failed (13) Can somebody suggest what can be done to resolve this? Thanks Sachin Arora ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup Administration Console for linux - whereis it ?
You can install just client software for Linux and console binary will be in /usr/openv/java -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Carlos Alberto Lima dos Santos Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:08 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; przemol...@poczta.fm Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup Administration Console for linux - whereis it ? On Linux you can export display from NetBackup server and use the jnbSA java console. Carlos Alberto L. dos Santos (TOCA) Eng. de Computação - Puc-Campinas(SP) - Brasil carlos_lis...@yahoo.com.br --- Em ter, 29/9/09, przemol...@poczta.fm przemol...@poczta.fm escreveu: De: przemol...@poczta.fm przemol...@poczta.fm Assunto: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup Administration Console for linux - where is it ? Para: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Data: Terça-feira, 29 de Setembro de 2009, 8:10 Hi, I'd like to install NetBackup Administration Console for linux on my laptop. Does it exists ? If so which DVD is it on ? Regards przemol -- Bezplatne konto i limit do 100 tys. Otwierasz? http://link.interia.pl/f2342 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy
Hi Darren, Thanks for your response. Actually I am looking for documentation how to setup robots, storage units having VTL with NDMP option turned on and physical library. So far I created NDMP hosts with proper authorization. I have Media Server which can access both VTL and PHL and NDMP software option installed on it. We can use non-NDMP duplication just by mounting vtl and phl on the same Media Server and use vault or bpduplicate, but we would like to use NDMP to move load off the Media Server to VTL itself. I created NDMP storage Units and if I run tpconfig -d on the Media Server I am getting 3 instances of drives as follow: 26 Q9SL3K01_d8 hcart3 TLD(0) DRIVE=8 /dev/rmt8.1 UP /dev/scsi/sequential/c4t9d0 (vtl01a) UP /dev/scsi/sequential/c24t9d0 (vtl01b)UP One entry for locally connected Drive and two for NDMP hosts vtl01a and vtl01a. Symantec documentation says the follow and I cannot understand what it means: 3 Configure the VTL as a robot, then configure one or more tape drives in a Media Manager storage unit. You can use the NetBackup Device Configuration wizard. Or, refer to the NetBackup Administrator's Guide Volume I for help configuring devices and Media Manager storage units. 4 Configure one or more tape drives in the VTL as Network Attached Storage devices, and create one or more NDMP storage units for the drives. Refer to Adding a drive on page 41 and Adding NDMP storage units on page 44 for procedures. The drives may be the same as those that were selected for step 3. NetBackup supports sharing of drives among media servers and NDMP hosts. 5 Configure one or more NDMP tape drives in the physical tape library, and add the drives to NDMP storage units. Use the same procedures as those mentioned in step 4. You may also use these drives in Media Manager storage units, if they are shared on SAN. I have read it many times, but was unable to understand what exactly it means. Thanks, Alexander Leikin Techniacal Services - Loblaw Companies Limited 320 Matheson Boulevard W , Mississauga, ON L5R 3R1 Tel: 416-569-7782 E-mail: alexander.lei...@loblaw.ca -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of A Darren Dunham Sent: September 21, 2009 2:39 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:12:44PM -0400, Alexander Leikin wrote: Hi, We are trying to implement NDMP direct copy duplication, but cannot find documentation how to do it. I do backups via NDMP direct (not Remote or 3-way), and I do duplications. But I don't think those two concepts should be combined. What part are you having problems with? Do you have NDMP direct backups working? Do you have a media server that can see both the VTL and PTL? Have you tried a duplication and run into a problem? Can you describe the problem in more detail. We have SUN STK VTL library and physical library all connected to one fabric. We need to get vault duplication process working to copy images from VTL to physical library. I created NDMP hosts, but data is not moving in right direction. What direction is the data moving? What is happening so far? -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy
No, I am still in 6.5.3.1 and aware about 6.5.3 NDMP broken patch. That part seems straightforward. Configure it as a normal (physical) robot, and configure a media manager STU for it. Let's say I created Robot and few drives on VTL and now I need to assing it to some media server. Which Server should I assing the robot and drives to? The MedServer which runs NDMP software or NDMP host? Logicaly it should be NDMP host, but it does not have any initiators and it's local to VTL so there is not way to assign. If I assing it to media server for NDMP it looks like normal duplication as this Media Server will mount phl and vtl and dup tapes. Thanks, Alexander Leikin Techniacal Services - Loblaw Companies Limited 320 Matheson Boulevard W , Mississauga, ON L5R 3R1 Tel: 416-569-7782 E-mail: alexander.lei...@loblaw.ca -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of A Darren Dunham Sent: September 21, 2009 3:38 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 03:07:10PM -0400, Alexander Leikin wrote: Thanks for your response. Actually I am looking for documentation how to setup robots, storage units having VTL with NDMP option turned on and physical library. So far I created NDMP hosts with proper authorization. I have Media Server which can access both VTL and PHL and NDMP software option installed on it. We can use non-NDMP duplication just by mounting vtl and phl on the same Media Server and use vault or bpduplicate, but we would like to use NDMP to move load off the Media Server to VTL itself. Ah, I see now. I was thinking local NDMP backups, not NDMP direct copy. That's sort of a new feature. I don't actually know anyone using it. Last time I looked at it, you had to have a special VTL that supported it. Do you know that your unit supports it? I created NDMP storage Units and if I run tpconfig -d on the Media Server I am getting 3 instances of drives as follow: 26 Q9SL3K01_d8 hcart3 TLD(0) DRIVE=8 /dev/rmt8.1 UP /dev/scsi/sequential/c4t9d0 (vtl01a) UP /dev/scsi/sequential/c24t9d0 (vtl01b)UP One entry for locally connected Drive and two for NDMP hosts vtl01a and vtl01a. Symantec documentation says the follow and I cannot understand what it means: 3 Configure the VTL as a robot, then configure one or more tape drives in a Media Manager storage unit. You can use the NetBackup Device Configuration wizard. Or, refer to the NetBackup Administrator's Guide Volume I for help configuring devices and Media Manager storage units. That part seems straightforward. Configure it as a normal (physical) robot, and configure a media manager STU for it. 4 Configure one or more tape drives in the VTL as Network Attached Storage devices, and create one or more NDMP storage units for the drives. Refer to Adding a drive on page 41 and Adding NDMP storage units on page 44 for procedures. The drives may be the same as those that were selected for step 3. NetBackup supports sharing of drives among media servers and NDMP hosts. So set it up as an NDMP STU as well. 5 Configure one or more NDMP tape drives in the physical tape library, and add the drives to NDMP storage units. Use the same procedures as those mentioned in step 4. You may also use these drives in Media Manager storage units, if they are shared on SAN. And set up the PTL drives in the NDMP STU. Appears you've done that as well. What happens when you Dup? You're not on 6.5.4 are you? http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/327487.htm -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy
I think I know what mistake I did and will give another try next week. I have not assigned VTL drives to NDMP Media Server and that's why the wizard did not configure VTL storage Unit. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of oersted Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:51 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy first, go to Hardware Compatibility List and check model and software version of VTL you are using. Most Sun/STK VTL allow NDMP direct copy with VTL in shared drive mode, which means you need SSO. Read NDMP admin guide for details on how to configure.also look for documentation updates for 6.5. Return for guidance if you can't make sense of it all Alexander Leikin wrote: Hi, We are trying to implement NDMP direct copy duplication, but cannot find documentation how to do it. We have SUN STK VTL library and physical library all connected to one fabric. We need to get vault duplication process working to copy images from VTL to physical library. I created NDMP hosts, but data is not moving in right direction. Any help will be really appreciated. Thanks, Alex This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration. +-- |This was sent by sola...@cablespeed.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP VTL direct copy
Hi, We are trying to implement NDMP direct copy duplication, but cannot find documentation how to do it. We have SUN STK VTL library and physical library all connected to one fabric. We need to get vault duplication process working to copy images from VTL to physical library. I created NDMP hosts, but data is not moving in right direction. Any help will be really appreciated. Thanks, Alex This email message is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the email message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained. Please inform us of the delivery error by return email. Thank you for your cooperation. Le présent message électronique est confidentiel et peut être couvert par le secret professionnel. Il est à l'usage exclusif du destinataire. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur ou si vous n'en êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous devez détruire le message et toute pièce jointe ou copie et vous êtes tenu de ne pas conserver, distribuer, divulguer ni utiliser tout renseignement qu'il contient. Veuillez nous informer de toute erreur d'envoi en répondant à ce message. Merci de votre collaboration ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
