Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support (Best Answer)

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Already seen that - can confirm 100% its supported through 2008 :-) !
 
I personally dont see that many that have upgraded to 6.0 and most may wait
for 6.5. however, how stable this will be remains to be seen 
 
something official to be published when 6.5 gets released !
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Scott Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 15:54
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; WALLEBROEK
Bart; Steve Dvorak; Jeff Lightner
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support (Best Answer)


Thanks to all on this thread.
 
The below response is where I'll place my stake in the sand.
 
  _  

 
This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning
regarding this:
 
   Hi ,
 
   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bought out the following was published.
   http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm
<http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm>  
   However, this has not been updated and is truely out of date.
   Have checked and at the moment their is no plans to end the 5.x.
   We support 2 major releases so only when Version 7 comes out will 5 be
obsoleted.
   (that is not comming out anytime soon)
   Next version will be 6.5 later this year.
 
   Sorry its not a direct answer to the question but product marketing have
not formalised this.
 

Best Regards,
 
Bart WALLEBROEK
 

Systems & Applications Management & Support Specialist 
CustOPS - SDC Deployment
Tel: + 32 2 655 30 75Mobile: + 32 478 31 61 77
S.W.I.F.T. SCRL

  _  


>>> "Jeff Lightner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/22/2007 8:15 AM >>>
It appears you misread something.  He was saying that 6.5 isn't
considered a "major" release change (being a 6.x like 6.0) so the EOL
wouldn't occur until 7.x.   Accordingly there's no reason to talk about
it "changing".  It might but then again Symantec might go belly up like
Enron, global warming might accelerate to the point where it is 10,000
degrees, someone might start shooting off nukes or the sun might go
nova.   The idea of the discussion was to try to provide the Symantec
philosophy - not carve out new commandments in stone.

-Original Message-
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Jeff Lightner; Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


But it changes! Just like Micrsofts approach to kill NT off ---
threatened
to end support And at the last minute extended it ! Why  Because
people were not ready.

Surely Symantec can see that 6.5 on the way  My guess is there
will
be a 7.0 too !! (Long way I know) :-)

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 13:18
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


The difference being the author of this email was from Symantec and he
was
trying to explain the company's philosophy in addition to the dry facts
of
the link.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:01 AM
To: 'Steve Dvorak'; WALLEBROEK Bart; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


You better add a $ to this, because I want a coffee and I am going to
ignore
this link as its been seen many times and does not give a true
reflection on
the answer needed.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Steve Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 00:43
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't
supported
based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv
<http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv> -ent.nsf/docid/200612011400
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30
months,
or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred to). Once
a
product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support coun

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support (Best Answer)

[Scott Jacobson]

Thanks to all on this thread.
 
The below response is where I'll place my stake in the sand.
 
 
This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning regarding 
this:
 
   Hi ,
 
   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bought out the following was published.
   http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm 
   However, this has not been updated and is truely out of date.
   Have checked and at the moment their is no plans to end the 5.x.
   We support 2 major releases so only when Version 7 comes out will 5 be 
obsoleted.
   (that is not comming out anytime soon)
   Next version will be 6.5 later this year.
 
   Sorry its not a direct answer to the question but product marketing have not 
formalised this.
 

Best Regards,
 
Bart WALLEBROEK
 

Systems & Applications Management & Support Specialist 
CustOPS - SDC Deployment
Tel: + 32 2 655 30 75Mobile: + 32 478 31 61 77
S.W.I.F.T. SCRL

>>> "Jeff Lightner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/22/2007 8:15 AM >>>
It appears you misread something.  He was saying that 6.5 isn't
considered a "major" release change (being a 6.x like 6.0) so the EOL
wouldn't occur until 7.x.   Accordingly there's no reason to talk about
it "changing".  It might but then again Symantec might go belly up like
Enron, global warming might accelerate to the point where it is 10,000
degrees, someone might start shooting off nukes or the sun might go
nova.   The idea of the discussion was to try to provide the Symantec
philosophy - not carve out new commandments in stone.

-Original Message-
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Jeff Lightner; Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


But it changes! Just like Micrsofts approach to kill NT off ---
threatened
to end support And at the last minute extended it ! Why  Because
people were not ready.

Surely Symantec can see that 6.5 on the way  My guess is there
will
be a 7.0 too !! (Long way I know) :-)

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 13:18
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


The difference being the author of this email was from Symantec and he
was
trying to explain the company's philosophy in addition to the dry facts
of
the link.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:01 AM
To: 'Steve Dvorak'; WALLEBROEK Bart; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


You better add a $ to this, because I want a coffee and I am going to
ignore
this link as its been seen many times and does not give a true
reflection on
the answer needed.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



-Original Message-
From: Steve Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 00:43
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't
supported
based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv-ent.nsf/docid/200612011400 
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30
months,
or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred to). Once
a
product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support countdown
(Symantec
has the ability to choose whether they put the patch in the older
version,
or write for the newer version only).  At the end of the 30 months,
Symantec
will require you to upgrade only if the problem you encounter is a new
problem that requires a code fix to resolve (i.e. Symantec is not
obligated
to write the fix, but suggest you upgrade to resolve).  Standard support
is
provided on a major release and all minor releases and maintenance
packs,
etc.  Assuming that is true, 6.5 is simply an extension to 6.0.  5.1 if
EOL'd in Oct should still be eligible for "standard support" for an
additional 30 months (if I am reading correctly), and therefore, should
not
be a concern to anyone on this thread.

"End of Life" or "EOL" means when we cease marketing or distributing a
Major
Release and its related releases of Licensed Software. The End of Lif

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Jeff Lightner]

It appears you misread something.  He was saying that 6.5 isn't
considered a "major" release change (being a 6.x like 6.0) so the EOL
wouldn't occur until 7.x.   Accordingly there's no reason to talk about
it "changing".  It might but then again Symantec might go belly up like
Enron, global warming might accelerate to the point where it is 10,000
degrees, someone might start shooting off nukes or the sun might go
nova.   The idea of the discussion was to try to provide the Symantec
philosophy - not carve out new commandments in stone.

-Original Message-
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Jeff Lightner; Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


But it changes! Just like Micrsofts approach to kill NT off ---
threatened
to end support And at the last minute extended it ! Why  Because
people were not ready.

Surely Symantec can see that 6.5 on the way  My guess is there
will
be a 7.0 too !! (Long way I know) :-)

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 13:18
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


The difference being the author of this email was from Symantec and he
was
trying to explain the company's philosophy in addition to the dry facts
of
the link.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:01 AM
To: 'Steve Dvorak'; WALLEBROEK Bart; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


You better add a $ to this, because I want a coffee and I am going to
ignore
this link as its been seen many times and does not give a true
reflection on
the answer needed.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Steve Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 00:43
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't
supported
based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv-ent.nsf/docid/200612011400
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30
months,
or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred to). Once
a
product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support countdown
(Symantec
has the ability to choose whether they put the patch in the older
version,
or write for the newer version only).  At the end of the 30 months,
Symantec
will require you to upgrade only if the problem you encounter is a new
problem that requires a code fix to resolve (i.e. Symantec is not
obligated
to write the fix, but suggest you upgrade to resolve).  Standard support
is
provided on a major release and all minor releases and maintenance
packs,
etc.  Assuming that is true, 6.5 is simply an extension to 6.0.  5.1 if
EOL'd in Oct should still be eligible for "standard support" for an
additional 30 months (if I am reading correctly), and therefore, should
not
be a concern to anyone on this thread.

"End of Life" or "EOL" means when we cease marketing or distributing a
Major
Release and its related releases of Licensed Software. The End of Life
date
starts the timeline and process leading to End of Support Life for that
Major Release and its related Minor Releases and Maintenance Packs.

"Standard Support" We will initially provide "Standard Support" for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for Licensed Software while the Major
Release
and its related releases are generally commercially available until the
date
of their EOL. We will then continue to provide Standard Support for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for thirty (30) months following EOL. 

"Partial Support" is a more limited level of Support Services than you
would
receive under "Standard Support." Partial Support is when our technical
support engineer provides you with known Fixes/Patches/Workarounds,
existing
Maintenance Packs, or information from our technical knowledge base in
response to your request for assistance. Partial Support does not
include
development of any new modifications to your Licensed Software. Nor will
we
attempt to reproduce the Problem or escalate issues through managem

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

But it changes! Just like Micrsofts approach to kill NT off --- threatened
to end support And at the last minute extended it ! Why  Because
people were not ready.

Surely Symantec can see that 6.5 on the way  My guess is there will
be a 7.0 too !! (Long way I know) :-)

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 13:18
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Steve Dvorak; WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


The difference being the author of this email was from Symantec and he was
trying to explain the company's philosophy in addition to the dry facts of
the link.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:01 AM
To: 'Steve Dvorak'; WALLEBROEK Bart; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


You better add a $ to this, because I want a coffee and I am going to ignore
this link as its been seen many times and does not give a true reflection on
the answer needed.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Steve Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 00:43
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't supported
based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv-ent.nsf/docid/200612011400
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30 months,
or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred to). Once a
product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support countdown (Symantec
has the ability to choose whether they put the patch in the older version,
or write for the newer version only).  At the end of the 30 months, Symantec
will require you to upgrade only if the problem you encounter is a new
problem that requires a code fix to resolve (i.e. Symantec is not obligated
to write the fix, but suggest you upgrade to resolve).  Standard support is
provided on a major release and all minor releases and maintenance packs,
etc.  Assuming that is true, 6.5 is simply an extension to 6.0.  5.1 if
EOL'd in Oct should still be eligible for "standard support" for an
additional 30 months (if I am reading correctly), and therefore, should not
be a concern to anyone on this thread.

"End of Life" or "EOL" means when we cease marketing or distributing a Major
Release and its related releases of Licensed Software. The End of Life date
starts the timeline and process leading to End of Support Life for that
Major Release and its related Minor Releases and Maintenance Packs.

"Standard Support" We will initially provide "Standard Support" for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for Licensed Software while the Major Release
and its related releases are generally commercially available until the date
of their EOL. We will then continue to provide Standard Support for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for thirty (30) months following EOL. 

"Partial Support" is a more limited level of Support Services than you would
receive under "Standard Support." Partial Support is when our technical
support engineer provides you with known Fixes/Patches/Workarounds, existing
Maintenance Packs, or information from our technical knowledge base in
response to your request for assistance. Partial Support does not include
development of any new modifications to your Licensed Software. Nor will we
attempt to reproduce the Problem or escalate issues through management
channels or to our engineering resources. Such Partial Support will be
subject to the availability of resources, and we may need to limit the time
we are able to spend on the Problem. At the end of the thirty (30) month
period described under "Standard Support", we will cease providing any
Standard Support, and we will cease providing any Content Updates. Instead,
we will provide "Partial Support" for all Cases at all Severity Levels.
Partial Support will end seven (7) years from GA of the applicable Major
Release. There are other instances where we may begin to provide Partial
Support for a product. As a rule, we will only provide Standard Support
Services for a current Major Release of Licensed Software (for example,
version
3.0) along with two prior Major Releases (say, versions 1.0 and 2.0).

My $

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Jeff Lightner]

The difference being the author of this email was from Symantec and he
was trying to explain the company's philosophy in addition to the dry
facts of the link.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:01 AM
To: 'Steve Dvorak'; WALLEBROEK Bart; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


You better add a $ to this, because I want a coffee and I am going to
ignore
this link as its been seen many times and does not give a true
reflection on
the answer needed.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Steve Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 00:43
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't
supported
based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv-ent.nsf/docid/200612011400
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30
months,
or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred to).
Once a
product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support countdown
(Symantec
has the ability to choose whether they put the patch in the older
version,
or write for the newer version only).  At the end of the 30 months,
Symantec
will require you to upgrade only if the problem you encounter is a new
problem that requires a code fix to resolve (i.e. Symantec is not
obligated
to write the fix, but suggest you upgrade to resolve).  Standard support
is
provided on a major release and all minor releases and maintenance
packs,
etc.  Assuming that is true, 6.5 is simply an extension to 6.0.  5.1 if
EOL'd in Oct should still be eligible for "standard support" for an
additional 30 months (if I am reading correctly), and therefore, should
not
be a concern to anyone on this thread.

"End of Life" or "EOL" means when we cease marketing or distributing a
Major
Release and its related releases of Licensed Software. The End of Life
date
starts the timeline and process leading to End of Support Life for that
Major Release and its related Minor Releases and Maintenance Packs.

"Standard Support" We will initially provide "Standard Support" for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for Licensed Software while the Major
Release
and its related releases are generally commercially available until the
date
of their EOL. We will then continue to provide Standard Support for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for thirty (30) months following EOL. 

"Partial Support" is a more limited level of Support Services than you
would
receive under "Standard Support." Partial Support is when our technical
support engineer provides you with known Fixes/Patches/Workarounds,
existing
Maintenance Packs, or information from our technical knowledge base in
response to your request for assistance. Partial Support does not
include
development of any new modifications to your Licensed Software. Nor will
we
attempt to reproduce the Problem or escalate issues through management
channels or to our engineering resources. Such Partial Support will be
subject to the availability of resources, and we may need to limit the
time
we are able to spend on the Problem. At the end of the thirty (30) month
period described under "Standard Support", we will cease providing any
Standard Support, and we will cease providing any Content Updates.
Instead,
we will provide "Partial Support" for all Cases at all Severity Levels.
Partial Support will end seven (7) years from GA of the applicable Major
Release. There are other instances where we may begin to provide Partial
Support for a product. As a rule, we will only provide Standard Support
Services for a current Major Release of Licensed Software (for example,
version
3.0) along with two prior Major Releases (say, versions 1.0 and 2.0).

My $.02 won't buy you a cup of coffee and my summary is not the
"official"
position of Symantec. :-) Steve

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:42 AM
To: 'WALLEBROEK Bart'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And correct me, but I did point out the original PDF was dated 2005 ...
When
6.0 had only been released and was seen as a total shambles of a backup
system !

So this makes sense My guess 2008 - 09 !

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM 

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

You better add a $ to this, because I want a coffee and I am going to ignore
this link as its been seen many times and does not give a true reflection on
the answer needed.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Steve Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 00:43
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); WALLEBROEK Bart;
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't supported
based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv-ent.nsf/docid/200612011400
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30 months,
or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred to).  Once a
product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support countdown (Symantec
has the ability to choose whether they put the patch in the older version,
or write for the newer version only).  At the end of the 30 months, Symantec
will require you to upgrade only if the problem you encounter is a new
problem that requires a code fix to resolve (i.e. Symantec is not obligated
to write the fix, but suggest you upgrade to resolve).  Standard support is
provided on a major release and all minor releases and maintenance packs,
etc.  Assuming that is true, 6.5 is simply an extension to 6.0.  5.1 if
EOL'd in Oct should still be eligible for "standard support" for an
additional 30 months (if I am reading correctly), and therefore, should not
be a concern to anyone on this thread.

"End of Life" or "EOL" means when we cease marketing or distributing a Major
Release and its related releases of Licensed Software. The End of Life date
starts the timeline and process leading to End of Support Life for that
Major Release and its related Minor Releases and Maintenance Packs.

"Standard Support" We will initially provide "Standard Support" for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for Licensed Software while the Major Release
and its related releases are generally commercially available until the date
of their EOL. We will then continue to provide Standard Support for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for thirty (30) months following EOL. 

"Partial Support" is a more limited level of Support Services than you would
receive under "Standard Support." Partial Support is when our technical
support engineer provides you with known Fixes/Patches/Workarounds, existing
Maintenance Packs, or information from our technical knowledge base in
response to your request for assistance. Partial Support does not include
development of any new modifications to your Licensed Software. Nor will we
attempt to reproduce the Problem or escalate issues through management
channels or to our engineering resources. Such Partial Support will be
subject to the availability of resources, and we may need to limit the time
we are able to spend on the Problem. At the end of the thirty (30) month
period described under "Standard Support", we will cease providing any
Standard Support, and we will cease providing any Content Updates. Instead,
we will provide "Partial Support" for all Cases at all Severity Levels.
Partial Support will end seven (7) years from GA of the applicable Major
Release. There are other instances where we may begin to provide Partial
Support for a product. As a rule, we will only provide Standard Support
Services for a current Major Release of Licensed Software (for example,
version
3.0) along with two prior Major Releases (say, versions 1.0 and 2.0).

My $.02 won't buy you a cup of coffee and my summary is not the "official"
position of Symantec. :-) Steve

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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And correct me, but I did point out the original PDF was dated 2005 ... When
6.0 had only been released and was seen as a total shambles of a backup
system !

So this makes sense My guess 2008 - 09 !

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

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Sent: 18 May 2007 10:56
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning
regarding this:

   Hi ,

   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bough

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Steve Dvorak]

Symantec's support documents clearly spell out what is and isn't
supported based on major/minor version numbers.
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/custserv-ent.nsf/docid/200612011400
2855

Bottomline, Symantec provides "standard support" on a product for 30
months, or until it is EOL'd (i.e. the EOL message this chain referred
to).  Once a product is EOL it goes into a 30 month standard support
countdown (Symantec has the ability to choose whether they put the patch
in the older version, or write for the newer version only).  At the end
of the 30 months, Symantec will require you to upgrade only if the
problem you encounter is a new problem that requires a code fix to
resolve (i.e. Symantec is not obligated to write the fix, but suggest
you upgrade to resolve).  Standard support is provided on a major
release and all minor releases and maintenance packs, etc.  Assuming
that is true, 6.5 is simply an extension to 6.0.  5.1 if EOL'd in Oct
should still be eligible for "standard support" for an additional 30
months (if I am reading correctly), and therefore, should not be a
concern to anyone on this thread.

"End of Life" or "EOL" means when we cease marketing or distributing a
Major Release and its related releases of Licensed Software. The End of
Life date starts the timeline and process leading to End of Support Life
for that Major Release and its related Minor Releases and Maintenance
Packs.

"Standard Support" We will initially provide "Standard Support" for all
Cases at all Severity Levels for Licensed Software while the Major
Release and its related releases are generally commercially available
until the date of their EOL. We will then continue to provide Standard
Support for all Cases at all Severity Levels for thirty (30) months
following EOL. 

"Partial Support" is a more limited level of Support Services than you
would receive under "Standard Support." Partial Support is when our
technical support engineer provides you with known
Fixes/Patches/Workarounds, existing Maintenance Packs, or information
from our technical knowledge base in response to your request for
assistance. Partial Support does not include development of any new
modifications to your Licensed Software. Nor will we attempt to
reproduce the Problem or escalate issues through management channels or
to our engineering resources. Such Partial Support will be subject to
the availability of resources, and we may need to limit the time we are
able to spend on the Problem.
At the end of the thirty (30) month period described under "Standard
Support", we will cease providing any Standard Support, and we will
cease providing any Content Updates. Instead, we will provide "Partial
Support" for all Cases at all Severity Levels. Partial Support will end
seven (7) years from GA of the applicable Major Release.
There are other instances where we may begin to provide Partial Support
for a product. As a rule, we will only provide Standard Support Services
for a current Major Release of Licensed Software (for example, version
3.0) along with two prior Major Releases (say, versions 1.0 and 2.0).

My $.02 won't buy you a cup of coffee and my summary is not the
"official" position of Symantec. :-)
Steve

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To: 'WALLEBROEK Bart'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And correct me, but I did point out the original PDF was dated 2005 ...
When 6.0 had only been released and was seen as a total shambles of a
backup system !

So this makes sense My guess 2008 - 09 !

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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WALLEBROEK Bart
Sent: 18 May 2007 10:56
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning
regarding this:

   Hi ,

   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bought out the following was published.
   http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm
   However, this has not been updated and is truely out of date.
   Have checked and at the moment their is no plans to end the 5.x.
   We support 2 major releases so only when Version 7 comes out will 5
be obsoleted.
   (that is not comming out anytime soon)
   Next version will be 6.5 later this year.

   Sorry its not a direct answer to the question but product marketing
have not formalised this.


Best Regards,

Bart WALLEBROEK


Systems & Applications Management & Support Specialis

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

And correct me, but I did point out the original PDF was dated 2005 ... When
6.0 had only been released and was seen as a total shambles of a backup
system !

So this makes sense My guess 2008 - 09 !

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
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Bart
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning
regarding this:

   Hi ,

   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bought out the following was published.
   http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm
   However, this has not been updated and is truely out of date.
   Have checked and at the moment their is no plans to end the 5.x.
   We support 2 major releases so only when Version 7 comes out will 5 be
obsoleted.
   (that is not comming out anytime soon)
   Next version will be 6.5 later this year.

   Sorry its not a direct answer to the question but product marketing have
not formalised this.


Best Regards,

Bart WALLEBROEK


Systems & Applications Management & Support Specialist 
CustOPS - SDC Deployment
Tel: + 32 2 655 30 75Mobile: + 32 478 31 61 77
S.W.I.F.T. SCRL

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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WALLEBROEK Bart]

This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning regarding 
this:

   Hi ,

   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bought out the following was published.
   http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm
   However, this has not been updated and is truely out of date.
   Have checked and at the moment their is no plans to end the 5.x.
   We support 2 major releases so only when Version 7 comes out will 5 be 
obsoleted.
   (that is not comming out anytime soon)
   Next version will be 6.5 later this year.

   Sorry its not a direct answer to the question but product marketing have not 
formalised this.


Best Regards,

Bart WALLEBROEK


Systems & Applications Management & Support Specialist 
CustOPS - SDC Deployment
Tel: + 32 2 655 30 75Mobile: + 32 478 31 61 77
S.W.I.F.T. SCRL


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WALLEBROEK Bart]

This is the official answer I got from Veritas support this morning
regarding this:

   Hi ,

   I have picked up your case.
   Originally when Version 6 was bought out the following was published.
   http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/279039.htm
   However, this has not been updated and is truely out of date.
   Have checked and at the moment their is no plans to end the 5.x.
   We support 2 major releases so only when Version 7 comes out will 5
be obsoleted.
   (that is not comming out anytime soon)
   Next version will be 6.5 later this year.

   Sorry its not a direct answer to the question but product marketing
have not formalised this.


Best Regards,

Bart WALLEBROEK


Systems & Applications Management & Support Specialist 
CustOPS - SDC Deployment
Tel: + 32 2 655 30 75Mobile: + 32 478 31 61 77
S.W.I.F.T. SCRL

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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Martin, Jonathan]

 

I just upgraded several versions of the NBU Client (3.4, 4.5 and 5.1) to
a NBU Master running 6.0.  It really is a mixed bag.  My goal was to
upgrade everything to at least 5.1 and I did eventually get that done
but in the mean time I migrated lots of clients with mixed versions.

Old System - 5.1 MP4 - versions 3.4, 4.5 and 5.1 all worked fine.

New Version - 6.0 MP4 -
Standard and Windows policies ran fine on 4.5
Oracle/RMAN was buggy on 4.5 / ok on 5.1
Exchange has a known issue with restores so they had to be upgraded to
6.0 (backups fine on 5.1)
None of the 3.4 clients run on 6.0 from the 10 or so I migrated.

-Jonathan


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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

Not supported or won't work? We are running some 3.4 clients with the
master at NBU 5.12MP6 and they work fine. Unfortunately we can't upgrade
the Solaris 2.6 clients so we are stuck with 3.4. Of course if they
won't work with 6.x then we can push them to upgrade or get rid of the
boxes. :)

Regards,

Patrick Whelan
NetBackup Specialist (Contractor)
COLT Telecom
Architect & Engineering
+44 20 7863 5243



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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


If I understood correctly, older clients are not supported - I think 5.1
or higher is needed for 6.0!

My clients (some) run 3.4 and are not supported, and I cannot upgrade
them to the later version at this stage.

Hopefully they will be phased out in 2008.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We have Windows clients running NB_4.5. If will take some time to
upgrade the clients after the server has been upgraded  to NB_6.0. Does
anyone know if you can backup-up and restore 4.5 Windows clients with a
6.0 Solaris server?  Thanks Carl Mathews University of Arkansas

---

>We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so

>I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for 
>us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Whelan, Patrick]

Not supported or won't work? We are running some 3.4 clients with the
master at NBU 5.12MP6 and they work fine. Unfortunately we can't upgrade
the Solaris 2.6 clients so we are stuck with 3.4. Of course if they
won't work with 6.x then we can push them to upgrade or get rid of the
boxes. :)

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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


If I understood correctly, older clients are not supported - I think 5.1
or
higher is needed for 6.0!

My clients (some) run 3.4 and are not supported, and I cannot upgrade
them
to the later version at this stage.

Hopefully they will be phased out in 2008.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We have Windows clients running NB_4.5. If will take some time to
upgrade
the clients after the server has been upgraded  to NB_6.0. Does anyone
know
if you can backup-up and restore 4.5 Windows clients with a 6.0 Solaris
server?  Thanks Carl Mathews University of Arkansas

---

>We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so

>I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for 
>us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Jeff
As pointed out earlier, should get an annoucement later today and hopefully
clear this up once and for all.

Regards

Simon Weaver
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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17 May 2007 14:32
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); smpt; Scott Jacobson; Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


My point was to challenge the blatant statement.  We can all opine and many
had long before his post was made.   I just saw no reason why we should
accept that statement as the "fact" without some sort of support - hence my
ironic question about divination.

You say they're only giving you 5 months but I don't know where you got
that.  6.0 has been out much longer than that.   

Personally I don't claim to "know" when 5.1 will be EOLed.  I know what
Datalink told us but they could be as wrong as everyone else.   It just
seems pointless to me not to move forward once 6.0 is mostly stable which by
all accounts it is with MP4.  Sticking one's head in the sand isn't going to
make 6.x go away and as I previously wrote waiting for "new features and
fixes" in 6.5 is waiting for vaporware which I've never thought was a good
idea for many reasons including the possibility they won't materialize.

If your environment is totally static and your 5.1 (or even 3.4) is working
for you and you can handle everything that comes up without calling the
vendor don't move ahead.  If, however, you work in shops that do actually
add new systems and technology from time to time it makes sense to plan for
moving ahead or at least be sure you know exactly what it is that prevents
moving ahead.   Here we know we're going to do Data Domain soon and we'd
rather have 6.0 in our environment before that so we can know what changes
were introduced by 6.0 and which were later introduced by Data Domain.

There was a time I had the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mindset.  What
I've learned however is that you often find yourself painted into corners
when you didn't take newer patches or distributions and suddenly have a
pressing business need to get more recent technology going.   You end up
having to upgrade EVERYTHING rather than just adding the technology you
want.  It is bad enough when the business imposes restrictions that keep you
from moving ahead but even worse when professional administrators become the
roadblocks themselves.

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Jeff
Well think about it . Most companies announce end of life for a product
and normally give 12 - 18 months!

If what you are saying is right, then Symantec are giving us 5 MONTHS to
change ???

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
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-Original Message-
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Sent: 16 May 2007 21:20
To: smpt; Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
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Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And you know this through divination maybe?

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the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Scott Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
>  Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
>  
>  I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less
> DSSU
>  issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced
between
>  choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
>  
>  
>  I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait
> for  6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and 
> let them  know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a 
> hard place in  terms of migration choices.
>  
>  
>  In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm
> starting  to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" 
> and not a hard  date.
>  
>  
>  Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct
> 2007  end of suppo

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Len Boyle]

It is not supported. You should be at 5.x or 6.0 for netbackup 6.0.  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Mathews
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We have Windows clients running NB_4.5. If will take some time to upgrade the 
clients after the server has been upgraded  to NB_6.0. Does anyone know if you 
can backup-up and restore 4.5 Windows clients with a 6.0 Solaris server?  
Thanks Carl Mathews University of Arkansas

---

>We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so 
>I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for 
>us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

If I understood correctly, older clients are not supported - I think 5.1 or
higher is needed for 6.0!

My clients (some) run 3.4 and are not supported, and I cannot upgrade them
to the later version at this stage.

Hopefully they will be phased out in 2008.

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Mathews
Sent: 17 May 2007 14:59
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We have Windows clients running NB_4.5. If will take some time to upgrade
the clients after the server has been upgraded  to NB_6.0. Does anyone know
if you can backup-up and restore 4.5 Windows clients with a 6.0 Solaris
server?  Thanks Carl Mathews University of Arkansas

---

>We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so 
>I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for 
>us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Carl Mathews]

We have Windows clients running NB_4.5. If will take some time to upgrade
the clients after the server has been upgraded  to NB_6.0. Does anyone
know if you can backup-up and restore 4.5 Windows clients with a 6.0
Solaris server?  Thanks
Carl Mathews
University of Arkansas

---

>We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so
>I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for
>us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Jeff Lightner]

My point was to challenge the blatant statement.  We can all opine and many had 
long before his post was made.   I just saw no reason why we should accept that 
statement as the "fact" without some sort of support - hence my ironic question 
about divination.

You say they're only giving you 5 months but I don't know where you got that.  
6.0 has been out much longer than that.   

Personally I don't claim to "know" when 5.1 will be EOLed.  I know what 
Datalink told us but they could be as wrong as everyone else.   It just seems 
pointless to me not to move forward once 6.0 is mostly stable which by all 
accounts it is with MP4.  Sticking one's head in the sand isn't going to make 
6.x go away and as I previously wrote waiting for "new features and fixes" in 
6.5 is waiting for vaporware which I've never thought was a good idea for many 
reasons including the possibility they won't materialize.

If your environment is totally static and your 5.1 (or even 3.4) is working for 
you and you can handle everything that comes up without calling the vendor 
don't move ahead.  If, however, you work in shops that do actually add new 
systems and technology from time to time it makes sense to plan for moving 
ahead or at least be sure you know exactly what it is that prevents moving 
ahead.   Here we know we're going to do Data Domain soon and we'd rather have 
6.0 in our environment before that so we can know what changes were introduced 
by 6.0 and which were later introduced by Data Domain.

There was a time I had the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mindset.  What I've 
learned however is that you often find yourself painted into corners when you 
didn't take newer patches or distributions and suddenly have a pressing 
business need to get more recent technology going.   You end up having to 
upgrade EVERYTHING rather than just adding the technology you want.  It is bad 
enough when the business imposes restrictions that keep you from moving ahead 
but even worse when professional administrators become the roadblocks 
themselves.

-Original Message-
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:57 AM
To: Jeff Lightner; smpt; Scott Jacobson; Paul Keating; 
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Jeff
Well think about it . Most companies announce end of life for a product
and normally give 12 - 18 months!

If what you are saying is right, then Symantec are giving us 5 MONTHS to
change ???

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 May 2007 21:20
To: smpt; Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And you know this through divination maybe?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smpt
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM
To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Scott Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
>  Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
>  
>  I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less 
> DSSU
>  issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced
between
>  choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
>  
>  
>  I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait 
> for  6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and 
> let them  know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a 
> hard place in  terms of migration choices.
>  
>  
>  In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm 
> starting  to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" 
> and not a hard  date.
>  
>  
>  Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 
> 2007  end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
>  
>  
>  Scott
>  
>  
>  >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 5/14/2007  8:47 AM >>>
>  
>  
>  Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid 
> here at  both my sites!
>  
>  
>  Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B2

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support - UPDATED

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Guys
I am going to receive 100% clarification on this matter!
 
What is absolutely certain is the link / pdf may NOT be a true
representation of the current life cycle of 5.1 - remember, this PDF refers
to 6.0 only.
 
No mention of 6.5!
 
Also, PDF was created 15th Sep 05!
 
Will provide the list with more details later today.
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

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-Original Message-
From: Steven L. Sesar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 May 2007 22:09
To: Jeff Lightner
Cc: smpt; Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


There's no way that 10/2007 makes sense for EOL of 5.1. Assuming, and this
is a big assumption, given Veritas'/Symantec's history regarding making
their release dates with NBU, that 6.5 is released by then, given the
initial problems with upgrading from 5.x -> 6.x, they're not going to pull
the rug out of 5.1 just yet. If I'm wrong, that's going to be pretty sad.


Jeff Lightner wrote: 

And you know this through divination maybe?



-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of smpt

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM

To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 

Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support





the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008





  

 ---Original Message---

 From: Scott Jacobson  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 Sent: 14 May '07 21:02

 

 I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU

 issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between

 choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

 

 

 I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for

 6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them

 know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in

 terms of migration choices.

 

 

 In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting

 to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard

 date.

 

 

 Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007

 end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

 

 Scott

 

 

 >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)"  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007

 8:47 AM >>>

 

 

 Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at

 both my sites!

 

 

 Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?

 

 

 Regards

 

 Simon Weaver

 3rd Line Technical Support

 Windows Domain Administrator

 

 _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_

 Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

 

 Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 

 

 -Original Message-

 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] ON BEHALF OF Paul

 Keating

 SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42

 TO: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
<mailto:VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> 

 SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0

 MP4

 

 

 [LINK:

 
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
<http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/27
9039.pdf> ]

 
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
<http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/27
9039.pdf> 

 

 

 --

 

 

 -Original Message-

 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] ON BEHALF OF WEAVER,

 Simon (external)

 SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM

 TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
<mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> 

 SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0

 MP4

 

 

 can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??

 

 

 Regards

 

 Simon Weaver

 3rd Line Technical Support

 Windows Domain Administrator

 

 _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_

 Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

 

 Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 

 

===

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

All
This link here
 
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/279039.htm
<http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/279039.htm> 
 
Was last updated on 21st Sep 2005.
 
Either they are sticking to their guns, or no formal update has been
announced ?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

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-Original Message-
From: Steven L. Sesar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 May 2007 22:09
To: Jeff Lightner
Cc: smpt; Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


There's no way that 10/2007 makes sense for EOL of 5.1. Assuming, and this
is a big assumption, given Veritas'/Symantec's history regarding making
their release dates with NBU, that 6.5 is released by then, given the
initial problems with upgrading from 5.x -> 6.x, they're not going to pull
the rug out of 5.1 just yet. If I'm wrong, that's going to be pretty sad.


Jeff Lightner wrote: 

And you know this through divination maybe?



-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of smpt

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM

To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 

Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support





the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008





  

 ---Original Message---

 From: Scott Jacobson  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 Sent: 14 May '07 21:02

 

 I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU

 issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between

 choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

 

 

 I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for

 6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them

 know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in

 terms of migration choices.

 

 

 In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting

 to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard

 date.

 

 

 Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007

 end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

 

 Scott

 

 

 >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)"  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007

 8:47 AM >>>

 

 

 Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at

 both my sites!

 

 

 Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?

 

 

 Regards

 

 Simon Weaver

 3rd Line Technical Support

 Windows Domain Administrator

 

 _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_

 Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

 

 Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 

 

 -Original Message-

 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] ON BEHALF OF Paul

 Keating

 SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42

 TO: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
<mailto:VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> 

 SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0

 MP4

 

 

 [LINK:

 
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
<http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/27
9039.pdf> ]

 
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
<http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/27
9039.pdf> 

 

 

 --

 

 

 -Original Message-

 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] ON BEHALF OF WEAVER,

 Simon (external)

 SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM

 TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
<mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> 

 SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0

 MP4

 

 

 can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??

 

 

 Regards

 

 Simon Weaver

 3rd Line Technical Support

 Windows Domain Administrator

 

 _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_

 Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

 

 Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

 

 



 La version française suit le texte anglais.

 
---

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Jeff
Well think about it . Most companies announce end of life for a product
and normally give 12 - 18 months!

If what you are saying is right, then Symantec are giving us 5 MONTHS to
change ???

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 May 2007 21:20
To: smpt; Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And you know this through divination maybe?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smpt
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM
To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Scott Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
>  Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
>  
>  I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less 
> DSSU
>  issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced
between
>  choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
>  
>  
>  I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait 
> for  6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and 
> let them  know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a 
> hard place in  terms of migration choices.
>  
>  
>  In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm 
> starting  to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" 
> and not a hard  date.
>  
>  
>  Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 
> 2007  end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
>  
>  
>  Scott
>  
>  
>  >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 5/14/2007  8:47 AM >>>
>  
>  
>  Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid 
> here at  both my sites!
>  
>  
>  Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Paul  
> Keating
>  SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42
>  TO: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 
> MP4to6.0  MP4
>  
>  
>  [LINK:  
> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCent
> er/279039.pdf]
>
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
>  
>  
>  --
>  
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF 
> WEAVER,  Simon (external)
>  SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
>  TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 
> MP4to6.0  MP4
>  
>  
>  can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  
>


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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Steven L. Sesar]

There's no way that 10/2007 makes sense for EOL of 5.1. Assuming, and 
this is a big assumption, given Veritas'/Symantec's history regarding 
making their release dates with NBU, that 6.5 is released by then, given 
the initial problems with upgrading from 5.x -> 6.x, they're not going 
to pull the rug out of 5.1 just yet. If I'm wrong, that's going to be 
pretty sad.



Jeff Lightner wrote:

And you know this through divination maybe?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smpt
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM
To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


  

 ---Original Message---
 From: Scott Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
 Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
 
 I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU

 issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between
 choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
 
 
 I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for

 6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them
 know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in
 terms of migration choices.
 
 
 In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting

 to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard
 date.
 
 
 Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007

 end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
 
 
 Scott
 
 
 >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007

 8:47 AM >>>
 
 
 Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at

 both my sites!
 
 
 Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
 
 
 Regards
 
 Simon Weaver

 3rd Line Technical Support
 Windows Domain Administrator
 
 _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_

 Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
 
 Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 -Original Message-

 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Paul
 Keating
 SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42
 TO: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0
 MP4
 
 
 [LINK:

 
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf]
 
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf
 
 
 --
 
 
 -Original Message-

 FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF WEAVER,
 Simon (external)
 SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
 TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0
 MP4
 
 
 can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
 
 
 Regards
 
 Simon Weaver

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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Jeff Lightner]

And you know this through divination maybe?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smpt
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM
To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Scott Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
>  Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
>  
>  I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU
>  issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between
>  choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
>  
>  
>  I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for
>  6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them
>  know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in
>  terms of migration choices.
>  
>  
>  In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting
>  to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard
>  date.
>  
>  
>  Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007
>  end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
>  
>  
>  Scott
>  
>  
>  >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007
>  8:47 AM >>>
>  
>  
>  Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at
>  both my sites!
>  
>  
>  Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Paul
>  Keating
>  SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42
>  TO: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0
>  MP4
>  
>  
>  [LINK:
>  
> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf]
>  
> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf
>  
>  
>  --
>  
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF WEAVER,
>  Simon (external)
>  SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
>  TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0
>  MP4
>  
>  
>  can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  
> 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[smpt]

the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Scott Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
>  Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
>  
>  I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU
>  issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between
>  choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
>  
>  
>  I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for
>  6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them
>  know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in
>  terms of migration choices.
>  
>  
>  In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting
>  to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard
>  date.
>  
>  
>  Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007
>  end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
>  
>  
>  Scott
>  
>  
>  >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007
>  8:47 AM >>>
>  
>  
>  Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at
>  both my sites!
>  
>  
>  Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Paul
>  Keating
>  SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42
>  TO: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0
>  MP4
>  
>  
>  [LINK:
>  
> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf]
>  
> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf
>  
>  
>  --
>  
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF WEAVER,
>  Simon (external)
>  SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
>  TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0
>  MP4
>  
>  
>  can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  
> 
>  La version française suit le texte anglais.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Jones, Courtenay]

6.0 still continues to support NT.
 
Regards,

 
-cj
Courtenay Jones
UNIX Systems Engineer, Raleigh Technology Centre


 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:08 AM
To: 'Weber, Philip'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Am I right in thinking 6.0 or higher does no longer support NT 4 ?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weber,
Philip
Sent: 16 May 2007 11:52
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
    Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS
versions so I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while
... this for us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: 15 May 2007 12:46
To: 'Scott Jacobson'; 'Simon (external) WEAVER'; 'Paul
Keating'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
    Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



I don't believe that customers are being placed between
a rock and a hard place - 6.0 MP4 is a stable release that works today.
I have not heard of any show-stopper bugs in 6.0 that would prevent
anybody from upgrading.  You may need an engineering fix or two, and
perhaps MP5 will include those, but in general, the current release
works for just about everybody.

If you really feel that 5.1MP4 is rock solid, and there
are no issues, why are you concerned with Symantec continuing to support
it?  You don't *have* to upgrade - just don't log a call and expect it
to get fixed.  If you have no issues, you'll have no calls to log and it
won't matter if it's supported or not.  I've got a non-Symantec product
running that we last logged a call on in 2000 (and our license agreement
says that we have to keep it under support as long as we're running it).

  .../Ed

--

Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love

http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product
I've run (less DSSU issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and
not be forced between choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also
wanting to wait for 6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec
SE/Account Mgr's and let them know as a customer you're being placed
between a rock and a hard place in terms of migration choices.

 

In talking with my former RTAM and current local
Symantec SE, I'm starting to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007
date as a "soft" and not a hard date.

 

Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and
tell them Oct 2007 end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

Scott









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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Ok its just that the Nt clients run 3.4 still - they cannot be upgraded to
the latest IE version as some applications don't function with the latest
IE!

So effectively, until Nt has gone... We will remain on 5.1 - Because im sure
that (as you said) 6.0 will not work on clients under 5.1 or lower (3.4, 4.5
ect)

Regards

Simon Weaver
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Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
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-Original Message-
From: Preston, Douglas L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 May 2007 16:29
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Simon,
 
Your answer is Yes and No.  
Yes: 6.0 can backup up NT4 if it has a 5.1 client on it.  
No: 6.0 has no NT4 client

 
I still have 3 NT4.0 machines I backup every night with NBU 6.0 MP4. The
client on them is 5.1.


Doug Preston
Systems Engineer
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Simon (external)
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:08 AM
To: 'Weber, Philip'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

Am I right in thinking 6.0 or higher does no longer support NT 4 ?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weber,
Philip
Sent: 16 May 2007 11:52
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
    Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions
so I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for us
is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: 15 May 2007 12:46
To: 'Scott Jacobson'; 'Simon (external) WEAVER'; 'Paul
Keating'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
    Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



I don't believe that customers are being placed between
a rock and a hard place - 6.0 MP4 is a stable release that works today. I
have not heard of any show-stopper bugs in 6.0 that would prevent anybody
from upgrading.  You may need an engineering fix or two, and perhaps MP5
will include those, but in general, the current release works for just about
everybody.

If you really feel that 5.1MP4 is rock solid, and there
are no issues, why are you concerned with Symantec continuing to support it?
You don't *have* to upgrade - just don't log a call and expect it to get
fixed.  If you have no issues, you'll have no calls to log and it won't
matter if it's supported or not.  I've got a non-Symantec product running
that we last logged a call on in 2000 (and our license agreement says that
we have to keep it under support as long as we're running it).

  .../Ed

--

Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love

http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:03 PM
    To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product
I've run (less DSSU issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not
be forced between choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also
wanting to wait for 6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/

Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Preston, Douglas L]

Simon,
 
Your answer is Yes and No.  
Yes: 6.0 can backup up NT4 if it has a 5.1 client on it.  
No: 6.0 has no NT4 client

 
I still have 3 NT4.0 machines I backup every night with NBU 6.0 MP4.
The client on them is 5.1.


Doug Preston
Systems Engineer
Land America Tax and Flood Services
Phone 626-339-5221 Ext 104
Email  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Simon (external)
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:08 AM
To: 'Weber, Philip'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

Am I right in thinking 6.0 or higher does no longer support NT 4 ?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weber,
Philip
Sent: 16 May 2007 11:52
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
    Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS
versions so I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while
... this for us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: 15 May 2007 12:46
To: 'Scott Jacobson'; 'Simon (external) WEAVER'; 'Paul
Keating'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
    Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



I don't believe that customers are being placed between
a rock and a hard place - 6.0 MP4 is a stable release that works today.
I have not heard of any show-stopper bugs in 6.0 that would prevent
anybody from upgrading.  You may need an engineering fix or two, and
perhaps MP5 will include those, but in general, the current release
works for just about everybody.

If you really feel that 5.1MP4 is rock solid, and there
are no issues, why are you concerned with Symantec continuing to support
it?  You don't *have* to upgrade - just don't log a call and expect it
to get fixed.  If you have no issues, you'll have no calls to log and it
won't matter if it's supported or not.  I've got a non-Symantec product
running that we last logged a call on in 2000 (and our license agreement
says that we have to keep it under support as long as we're running it).

  .../Ed

--

Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love

http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product
I've run (less DSSU issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and
not be forced between choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also
wanting to wait for 6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec
SE/Account Mgr's and let them know as a customer you're being placed
between a rock and a hard place in terms of migration choices.

 

In talking with my former RTAM and current local
Symantec SE, I'm starting to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007
date as a "soft" and not a hard date.

 

Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and
tell them Oct 2007 end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

Scott









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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Am I right in thinking 6.0 or higher does no longer support NT 4 ?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weber,
Philip
Sent: 16 May 2007 11:52
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so I
can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for us is
the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: 15 May 2007 12:46
To: 'Scott Jacobson'; 'Simon (external) WEAVER'; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support



I don't believe that customers are being placed between a rock and a hard
place - 6.0 MP4 is a stable release that works today.  I have not heard of
any show-stopper bugs in 6.0 that would prevent anybody from upgrading.  You
may need an engineering fix or two, and perhaps MP5 will include those, but
in general, the current release works for just about everybody.

If you really feel that 5.1MP4 is rock solid, and there are no issues, why
are you concerned with Symantec continuing to support it?  You don't *have*
to upgrade - just don't log a call and expect it to get fixed.  If you have
no issues, you'll have no calls to log and it won't matter if it's supported
or not.  I've got a non-Symantec product running that we last logged a call
on in 2000 (and our license agreement says that we have to keep it under
support as long as we're running it).

  .../Ed

--

Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love

http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU
issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between
choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for 6.5
MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them know as
a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in terms of
migration choices.

 

In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting
to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard
date.

 

Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007 end
of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

Scott



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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Weber, Philip]

We still have a fairly busy 4.5 environment due to older OS versions so
I can't see us moving off our 5.1 environment for a while ... this for
us is the "show-stopper" for not upgrading.

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Sent: 15 May 2007 12:46
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I don't believe that customers are being placed between a rock and a
hard place - 6.0 MP4 is a stable release that works today.  I have not
heard of any show-stopper bugs in 6.0 that would prevent anybody from
upgrading.  You may need an engineering fix or two, and perhaps MP5 will
include those, but in general, the current release works for just about
everybody.

If you really feel that 5.1MP4 is rock solid, and there are no issues,
why are you concerned with Symantec continuing to support it?  You don't
*have* to upgrade - just don't log a call and expect it to get fixed.
If you have no issues, you'll have no calls to log and it won't matter
if it's supported or not.  I've got a non-Symantec product running that
we last logged a call on in 2000 (and our license agreement says that we
have to keep it under support as long as we're running it).

  .../Ed

--

Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love

http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less
DSSU issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced
between choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for
6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them
know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place
in terms of migration choices.

 

In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm
starting to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft"
and not a hard date.

 

Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007
end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

Scott




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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[WEAVER, Simon (external)]

Ok that sounds more like it - but can anyone from Symantec confirm?
 
Rockey perhaps ??
 
 

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Sent: 15 May 2007 15:35
To: Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


My understanding from our Symantec account team is that 3rd Oct 2007 is EOSS
(End of Service Support?) for 5.1 - ie. no new maintenance packs, EBFs etc.
EOPS (End of Product Support) is 1 Dec 2008
 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: 14 May 2007 20:03
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU
issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between
choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for 6.5
MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them know as
a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in terms of
migration choices.
 
In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting
to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard
date.
 
Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007 end
of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
 
Scott

>>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007
8:47 AM >>>

Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at
both my sites!
 
Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating
Sent: 14 May 2007 15:42
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0 MP4


http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
<http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/27
9039.pdf> 
 
 
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Simon (external)
Sent: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
To: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0 MP4


can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[McCammont, Anderson (IT)]

My understanding from our Symantec account team is that 3rd Oct 2007 is EOSS 
(End of Service Support?) for 5.1 - ie. no new maintenance packs, EBFs etc.
EOPS (End of Product Support) is 1 Dec 2008
 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott 
Jacobson
Sent: 14 May 2007 20:03
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less 
DSSU issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between 
choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for 
6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them know 
as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in terms of 
migration choices.
 
In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm 
starting to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a 
hard date.
 
Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007 
end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
 
Scott

>>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007 8:47 AM >>>

Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here 
at both my sites!
 
Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

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Paul Keating
Sent: 14 May 2007 15:42
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 
MP4to6.0 MP4



http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf
 
 
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Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external)
Sent: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
To: 'Forester, Jack L'; 
veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade 
from 5.1 MP4to6.0 MP4


can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or 
link ??
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

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Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Ed Wilts]

I don't believe that customers are being placed between a rock and a hard
place - 6.0 MP4 is a stable release that works today.  I have not heard of
any show-stopper bugs in 6.0 that would prevent anybody from upgrading.  You
may need an engineering fix or two, and perhaps MP5 will include those, but
in general, the current release works for just about everybody.

If you really feel that 5.1MP4 is rock solid, and there are no issues, why
are you concerned with Symantec continuing to support it?  You don't *have*
to upgrade - just don't log a call and expect it to get fixed.  If you have
no issues, you'll have no calls to log and it won't matter if it's supported
or not.  I've got a non-Symantec product running that we last logged a call
on in 2000 (and our license agreement says that we have to keep it under
support as long as we're running it).

  ./Ed

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Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love

http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating';
VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

 

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU
issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between
choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA

I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for 6.5
MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them know as
a customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in terms of
migration choices.

 

In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting
to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard
date.

 

Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007 end
of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.

 

Scott

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[Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support

[Scott Jacobson]

I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less DSSU 
issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced between 
choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait for 6.5 
MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and let them know as a 
customer you're being placed between a rock and a hard place in terms of 
migration choices.
 
In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm starting to 
hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" and not a hard date.
 
Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 2007 end of 
support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
 
Scott

>>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/14/2007 8:47 AM >>>
Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid here at both 
my sites!
 
Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
 

Regards
Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator
EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating
Sent: 14 May 2007 15:42
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0 MP4


http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279039.pdf
 
 
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(external)
Sent: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
To: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4to6.0 MP4


can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
 
 

Regards
Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator
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Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
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