Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question
Im no rack expert but the DBA's have said they need that file backing up. As its a sym link to a raw slice im doing it via dd and the block size they recommend. Im not sure if the rman job can actually do it as it may not be part of the DB that Rman hooks into. Its only a 256mb file so i dont think it would harm to back it up if you are unsure. Are the STREAMS issue, im actually thinking what i want may be a bit easier than running a hot oracle backup. I just need this job to run once so coulndt if do an if statement something like below :- if [ $STREAM = 1 ] then do the checks and dd etc fi This would then hold the first stream until the dd job had finished and then back it up. Hmm one issue i guess is i need to make sure the stream im checking for is the same stream as the file system the voting disk will be backed up to. Does anyone have confirmation of the STREAM variables passed to bpstart_notify ?? cheers Jeff Lightner wrote: Curious about this thread – so far as I know we’re not doing anything special for backing up voting disk and OCR for Oracle RAC (unless the DBAs somehow set this up via RMAN to the policies we created in NBU). Is this something we should be doing? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ed Wilts *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:50 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question The short answer is: don't even try if you have multiple disks. You *may* be able to get away with it now using the parent/child job functionality that got added in 6.0 but we haven't tested this, having given up on a long time ago after a multi-year battle. Sure, you can get it work most of the time, and many people do. However, there are many, many edge cases where this will break down, and if you do go down this route, you'll find some them eventually. You'll find cases where the bpstart didn't run or the bpend didn't run, or they'll run twice. We definitely had a really, really bright guy working on the bpstart/bpend scripts and he could not solve the problem so that it was 100% reliable. We simply wanted to put Oracle into hotbackup mode, do the backups, and take it out of hotbackup mode. Like you said, you'll be writing some logic around it. However, you'll be writing and writing and writing, tweaking it regularly as you run into all of the edge conditions and you'll cuss and swear as you stumble over them. Bottom line: it can't be done reliably. Use a different method of coordinating this. .../Ed On Jan 31, 2008 8:57 AM, Dave Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys im running Netbackup 6.0mp4 and a number of oracle SSO media servers backing themselves up. Solaris9/10 This has been mentioned before many times im sure and i found a thread on it called 'Yet another bpstart/bpend questions' but i dont have a copy of it to reply to. Basically as im running a UNIX backup (forget oracle for the moment) and we have multistreams set and all_local_drives directive, a bpstart_notify script we have which does this (there are extra checks etc also):- dd if=/path/to/votedsk1 of=$STAGING/votingdisk bs=4k /dev/null 21 ..is obviously running on each stream which is kicked off. I just need it to run once. There was talk about the bpstart script taking a STREAMS parameter but it doesnt say so within the /opt/openv/netbackup/bin/goodies version so can anyone confirm there are STREAMS variables passed to it? I was thinking ( perhaps like many people ) to create some lock file and then remove it. This leads to all sorts of issues regarding streams restarting, certain ones finishing before others etc and so i'd need to create some good logic around it. What are people doing in the wild? I just need the above command to run once per backup. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question
RMAN can backup raw devices - we'll be doing that on our latest RAC installation on Linux (the earlier one was using OCFS filesystem but still had raw voting disk/OCR which is what prompted my question). For that matter so can NBU itself can backup raw devices without RMAN. We have some older systems that use raw devices for Oracle DB (no RAC) and our backups for those are done by shutting down the database and letting NBU do a raw device backup. We know it works because we've used that backup to restore to another system when doing a data refresh. I'm just wondering about the voting disk and OCR for RAC since they are part of CRS (a/k/a Oracle Clusterware). CRS is a higher level product than the database (that is to say you install everything else AFTER you have CRS working) so I was wondering if there was a backup/restore methodology for CRS itself that included the voting disk and OCR. P.S. Probably was your spell checker fixing it for you but just in case it wasn't - It is RAC not rack. RAC = Real Application Cluster. -Original Message- From: Dave Markham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:24 AM To: Jeff Lightner Cc: Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question Im no rack expert but the DBA's have said they need that file backing up. As its a sym link to a raw slice im doing it via dd and the block size they recommend. Im not sure if the rman job can actually do it as it may not be part of the DB that Rman hooks into. Its only a 256mb file so i dont think it would harm to back it up if you are unsure. Are the STREAMS issue, im actually thinking what i want may be a bit easier than running a hot oracle backup. I just need this job to run once so coulndt if do an if statement something like below :- if [ $STREAM = 1 ] then do the checks and dd etc fi This would then hold the first stream until the dd job had finished and then back it up. Hmm one issue i guess is i need to make sure the stream im checking for is the same stream as the file system the voting disk will be backed up to. Does anyone have confirmation of the STREAM variables passed to bpstart_notify ?? cheers Jeff Lightner wrote: Curious about this thread - so far as I know we're not doing anything special for backing up voting disk and OCR for Oracle RAC (unless the DBAs somehow set this up via RMAN to the policies we created in NBU). Is this something we should be doing? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ed Wilts *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:50 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question The short answer is: don't even try if you have multiple disks. You *may* be able to get away with it now using the parent/child job functionality that got added in 6.0 but we haven't tested this, having given up on a long time ago after a multi-year battle. Sure, you can get it work most of the time, and many people do. However, there are many, many edge cases where this will break down, and if you do go down this route, you'll find some them eventually. You'll find cases where the bpstart didn't run or the bpend didn't run, or they'll run twice. We definitely had a really, really bright guy working on the bpstart/bpend scripts and he could not solve the problem so that it was 100% reliable. We simply wanted to put Oracle into hotbackup mode, do the backups, and take it out of hotbackup mode. Like you said, you'll be writing some logic around it. However, you'll be writing and writing and writing, tweaking it regularly as you run into all of the edge conditions and you'll cuss and swear as you stumble over them. Bottom line: it can't be done reliably. Use a different method of coordinating this. .../Ed On Jan 31, 2008 8:57 AM, Dave Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys im running Netbackup 6.0mp4 and a number of oracle SSO media servers backing themselves up. Solaris9/10 This has been mentioned before many times im sure and i found a thread on it called 'Yet another bpstart/bpend questions' but i dont have a copy of it to reply to. Basically as im running a UNIX backup (forget oracle for the moment) and we have multistreams set and all_local_drives directive, a bpstart_notify script we have which does this (there are extra checks etc also):- dd if=/path/to/votedsk1 of=$STAGING/votingdisk bs=4k /dev/null 21 ..is obviously running on each stream which is kicked off. I just need it to run once. There was talk about the bpstart script taking a STREAMS parameter but it doesnt say so within the /opt/openv/netbackup/bin/goodies version so can anyone confirm there are STREAMS variables passed to it? I was thinking
[Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question
Guys im running Netbackup 6.0mp4 and a number of oracle SSO media servers backing themselves up. Solaris9/10 This has been mentioned before many times im sure and i found a thread on it called 'Yet another bpstart/bpend questions' but i dont have a copy of it to reply to. Basically as im running a UNIX backup (forget oracle for the moment) and we have multistreams set and all_local_drives directive, a bpstart_notify script we have which does this (there are extra checks etc also):- dd if=/path/to/votedsk1 of=$STAGING/votingdisk bs=4k /dev/null 21 ..is obviously running on each stream which is kicked off. I just need it to run once. There was talk about the bpstart script taking a STREAMS parameter but it doesnt say so within the /opt/openv/netbackup/bin/goodies version so can anyone confirm there are STREAMS variables passed to it? I was thinking ( perhaps like many people ) to create some lock file and then remove it. This leads to all sorts of issues regarding streams restarting, certain ones finishing before others etc and so i'd need to create some good logic around it. What are people doing in the wild? I just need the above command to run once per backup. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question
The short answer is: don't even try if you have multiple disks. You *may* be able to get away with it now using the parent/child job functionality that got added in 6.0 but we haven't tested this, having given up on a long time ago after a multi-year battle. Sure, you can get it work most of the time, and many people do. However, there are many, many edge cases where this will break down, and if you do go down this route, you'll find some them eventually. You'll find cases where the bpstart didn't run or the bpend didn't run, or they'll run twice. We definitely had a really, really bright guy working on the bpstart/bpend scripts and he could not solve the problem so that it was 100% reliable. We simply wanted to put Oracle into hotbackup mode, do the backups, and take it out of hotbackup mode. Like you said, you'll be writing some logic around it. However, you'll be writing and writing and writing, tweaking it regularly as you run into all of the edge conditions and you'll cuss and swear as you stumble over them. Bottom line: it can't be done reliably. Use a different method of coordinating this. .../Ed On Jan 31, 2008 8:57 AM, Dave Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys im running Netbackup 6.0mp4 and a number of oracle SSO media servers backing themselves up. Solaris9/10 This has been mentioned before many times im sure and i found a thread on it called 'Yet another bpstart/bpend questions' but i dont have a copy of it to reply to. Basically as im running a UNIX backup (forget oracle for the moment) and we have multistreams set and all_local_drives directive, a bpstart_notify script we have which does this (there are extra checks etc also):- dd if=/path/to/votedsk1 of=$STAGING/votingdisk bs=4k /dev/null 21 ..is obviously running on each stream which is kicked off. I just need it to run once. There was talk about the bpstart script taking a STREAMS parameter but it doesnt say so within the /opt/openv/netbackup/bin/goodies version so can anyone confirm there are STREAMS variables passed to it? I was thinking ( perhaps like many people ) to create some lock file and then remove it. This leads to all sorts of issues regarding streams restarting, certain ones finishing before others etc and so i'd need to create some good logic around it. What are people doing in the wild? I just need the above command to run once per backup. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question
Curious about this thread - so far as I know we're not doing anything special for backing up voting disk and OCR for Oracle RAC (unless the DBAs somehow set this up via RMAN to the policies we created in NBU). Is this something we should be doing? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Another bpstart, oracle and streams question The short answer is: don't even try if you have multiple disks. You *may* be able to get away with it now using the parent/child job functionality that got added in 6.0 but we haven't tested this, having given up on a long time ago after a multi-year battle. Sure, you can get it work most of the time, and many people do. However, there are many, many edge cases where this will break down, and if you do go down this route, you'll find some them eventually. You'll find cases where the bpstart didn't run or the bpend didn't run, or they'll run twice. We definitely had a really, really bright guy working on the bpstart/bpend scripts and he could not solve the problem so that it was 100% reliable. We simply wanted to put Oracle into hotbackup mode, do the backups, and take it out of hotbackup mode. Like you said, you'll be writing some logic around it. However, you'll be writing and writing and writing, tweaking it regularly as you run into all of the edge conditions and you'll cuss and swear as you stumble over them. Bottom line: it can't be done reliably. Use a different method of coordinating this. .../Ed On Jan 31, 2008 8:57 AM, Dave Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys im running Netbackup 6.0mp4 and a number of oracle SSO media servers backing themselves up. Solaris9/10 This has been mentioned before many times im sure and i found a thread on it called 'Yet another bpstart/bpend questions' but i dont have a copy of it to reply to. Basically as im running a UNIX backup (forget oracle for the moment) and we have multistreams set and all_local_drives directive, a bpstart_notify script we have which does this (there are extra checks etc also):- dd if=/path/to/votedsk1 of=$STAGING/votingdisk bs=4k /dev/null 21 ..is obviously running on each stream which is kicked off. I just need it to run once. There was talk about the bpstart script taking a STREAMS parameter but it doesnt say so within the /opt/openv/netbackup/bin/goodies version so can anyone confirm there are STREAMS variables passed to it? I was thinking ( perhaps like many people ) to create some lock file and then remove it. This leads to all sorts of issues regarding streams restarting, certain ones finishing before others etc and so i'd need to create some good logic around it. What are people doing in the wild? I just need the above command to run once per backup. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
