Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
Dear All, How about the backup Reporting feature. ? With Warm Regards =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Harpreet Singh Chana Phone : (O) 6895 - 4326 Fax :(O) 6895 - 4991 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Notice The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or distribution of the message, or any action taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and contact the sender immediately. Thank you. Scott Jacobson sjaco...@novell. com To Sent by: smpt sm...@peppas.gr, Wilts, Ed veritas-bu-bounce ewi...@ewilts.org s...@mailman.eng.aub cc urn.edu Small, Robin robin.sm...@fresno.gov, veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 12/18/2009 01:23 Subject PMRe: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7 Ed, Are you saying what seems to be included as with this upcoming release; an imbedded feature and it will still cost? Hmm, what else in v7.x will we look forward too with our wallet in hand. Also, on this thread, de-dupe, works good, but not the solution for all systems - elaboration? Thanks, Scott Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org 12/17/2009 1:45 PM On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, smpt sm...@peppas.gr wrote: Dedupe works really good. But be careful, it is not the solution for all systems . It's also not free. You will pay for each terabyte of pre-duped data. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ForwardSourceID:NT0012124E ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Scott Jacobson sjaco...@novell.comwrote: Are you saying what seems to be included as with this upcoming release; an imbedded feature and it will still cost? Yup. The binaries are installed as part of the media server install. Hmm, what else in v7.x will we look forward too with our wallet in hand. This isn't the first and I don't see anything too badly wrong with the model (except the price!). When you install a Windows client, you get the Advanced client functionality. You need to purchase a license before you can actually use it. There are parts of the master server install that also require add-on fees (vault, additional tape drives, ndmp, etc.) Also, on this thread, de-dupe, works good, but not the solution for all systems - elaboration? Some things de-dupe well and some things don't. We get great de-dupe for our remote offices in PureDisk. We evaluated de-dupe in our main office and got lousy de-dupe because we deal with different document types here (a LOT of tiffs). If you're the type of shop that wants 10 or 20 copies of the same file backed up, then de-dupe might be for you. If you have short retentions for unique data, de-dupe is not for you. You need to carefully evaluate 1 or more of the de-dupe products to see how well it fits into your environment and then do the ROI - does it actually cost more to de-dupe it than to put the data to disk or tape? If so, de-dupe might not be for you. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts Thanks, Scott Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org 12/17/2009 1:45 PM On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, smpt sm...@peppas.gr wrote: Dedupe works really good. But be careful, it is not the solution for all systems . It's also not free. You will pay for each terabyte of pre-duped data. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts image/png___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Harpreet SINGH harpreet_si...@ctl.creative.com wrote: How about the backup Reporting feature. ? There is a part of the backup reporting feature (OpsCenter) that is included for free with NetBackup 7. There are some features that you have to purchase an additional license for (the Analytics features). Depending on what pieces you need, you may get away with the free part. When you install NBU 7, you're supposed to get a temporary license to allow you to evaluate the Analytics feature set to see if it's worthwhile purchasing. If you tend to crunch long-term historical data, then you'll need Analytics (or a 3rd party product). .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
Ed Wilts wrote: It's also not free. You will pay for each terabyte of pre-duped data. ZFS de-dup is for us openSolaris folk. Now available as of build 129. Although it's not a tape solution and I don't think opensolaris is officially supported. I'm looking forward to testing this out with Netbackup. Karl CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication (including all attachments) is confidential and is intended for the use of the named addressee(s) only and may contain information that is private, confidential, privileged, and exempt from disclosure under law. All rights to privilege are expressly claimed and reserved and are not waived. Any use, dissemination, distribution, copying or disclosure of this message and any attachments, in whole or in part, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete this communication from all data storage devices and destroy all hard copies. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
The binaries for Exchange and MSSQL are also included in the Windows client, but you have to license them before using, so this model is not new. It would be nice if Symantec clarified what is and is not included, though. It would be nice if they cleaned up the licensing model, too, while they are at it =). On another note, I had been under the impression that OpsCenter (similar to NOM) was the new and only way to manage NetBackup. I was corrected by a Symantec Rep who stated that the classic Java GUI (and I would assume the classic Windows Admin Console) is still available. Just throwing that out there for anyone else who thought the same way I did. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 12/18/2009 08:08 AM To Scott Jacobson sjaco...@novell.com cc smpt sm...@peppas.gr, Small, Robin robin.sm...@fresno.gov, veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Scott Jacobson sjaco...@novell.com wrote: Are you saying what seems to be included as with this upcoming release; an imbedded feature and it will still cost? Yup. The binaries are installed as part of the media server install. Hmm, what else in v7.x will we look forward too with our wallet in hand. This isn't the first and I don't see anything too badly wrong with the model (except the price!). When you install a Windows client, you get the Advanced client functionality. You need to purchase a license before you can actually use it. There are parts of the master server install that also require add-on fees (vault, additional tape drives, ndmp, etc.) Also, on this thread, de-dupe, works good, but not the solution for all systems - elaboration? Some things de-dupe well and some things don't. We get great de-dupe for our remote offices in PureDisk. We evaluated de-dupe in our main office and got lousy de-dupe because we deal with different document types here (a LOT of tiffs). If you're the type of shop that wants 10 or 20 copies of the same file backed up, then de-dupe might be for you. If you have short retentions for unique data, de-dupe is not for you. You need to carefully evaluate 1 or more of the de-dupe products to see how well it fits into your environment and then do the ROI - does it actually cost more to de-dupe it than to put the data to disk or tape? If so, de-dupe might not be for you. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin Thanks, Scott Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org 12/17/2009 1:45 PM On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, smpt sm...@peppas.gr wrote: Dedupe works really good. But be careful, it is not the solution for all systems . It's also not free. You will pay for each terabyte of pre-duped data. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM, rusty.ma...@sungard.com wrote: On another note, I had been under the impression that OpsCenter (similar to NOM) was the new and only way to manage NetBackup. I was corrected by a Symantec Rep who stated that the classic Java GUI (and I would assume the classic Windows Admin Console) is still available. Just throwing that out there for anyone else who thought the same way I did. My *guess* is that the older GUIs will eventually be phased out. It does not make sense for Symantec to have FOUR separate interfaces that all need to be continually updated (CLI, Java, Windows Admin Console, OpsCenter). I personally think that we'll always have a CLI but that OpsCenter will replace the other two. I have no facts to back that up. Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
I agree, Ed. The same rep did tell me that the Java GUI will eventually go away. And since Ops Center will be/is web based, I would assume that would make the Windows Admin Console go away as well. I was glad to hear that the GUIs will be sticking around, as I had thought we were getting forced to use a new GUI after the entire life of the product (or most of it) using the classic GUI style. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 12/18/2009 10:37 AM To rusty.ma...@sungard.com cc veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM, rusty.ma...@sungard.com wrote: On another note, I had been under the impression that OpsCenter (similar to NOM) was the new and only way to manage NetBackup. I was corrected by a Symantec Rep who stated that the classic Java GUI (and I would assume the classic Windows Admin Console) is still available. Just throwing that out there for anyone else who thought the same way I did. My *guess* is that the older GUIs will eventually be phased out. It does not make sense for Symantec to have FOUR separate interfaces that all need to be continually updated (CLI, Java, Windows Admin Console, OpsCenter). I personally think that we'll always have a CLI but that OpsCenter will replace the other two. I have no facts to back that up. Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
Java is part of netbackup 7. At least at the beta2 (I just check and install it) stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of rusty.ma...@sungard.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:37 PM To: Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7 I agree, Ed. The same rep did tell me that the Java GUI will eventually go away. And since Ops Center will be/is web based, I would assume that would make the Windows Admin Console go away as well. I was glad to hear that the GUIs will be sticking around, as I had thought we were getting forced to use a new GUI after the entire life of the product (or most of it) using the classic GUI style. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 12/18/2009 10:37 AM To rusty.ma...@sungard.com cc veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM, rusty.ma...@sungard.com wrote: On another note, I had been under the impression that OpsCenter (similar to NOM) was the new and only way to manage NetBackup. I was corrected by a Symantec Rep who stated that the classic Java GUI (and I would assume the classic Windows Admin Console) is still available. Just throwing that out there for anyone else who thought the same way I did. My *guess* is that the older GUIs will eventually be phased out. It does not make sense for Symantec to have FOUR separate interfaces that all need to be continually updated (CLI, Java, Windows Admin Console, OpsCenter). I personally think that we'll always have a CLI but that OpsCenter will replace the other two. I have no facts to back that up. Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts Linkedin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
I saw this at the NetBackup site yesterday: http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/336166.htm Looks interesting. Integrated dedupe and vStorage api support for VMware (there were more features listed, those two stood out for me). ~ Robin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
Dedupe works really good. But be careful, it is not the solution for all systems . From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Robin Small Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:44 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7 I saw this at the NetBackup site yesterday: http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/336166.htm Looks interesting. Integrated dedupe and vStorage api support for VMware (there were more features listed, those two stood out for me). ~ Robin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, smpt sm...@peppas.gr wrote: Dedupe works really good. But be careful, it is not the solution for all systems . It's also not free. You will pay for each terabyte of pre-duped data. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] FA for NetBackup 7
Ed, Are you saying what seems to be "included" aswith thisupcoming release; animbedded feature and it will still cost? Hmm, what else in v7.x will we look forward too with our wallet in hand. Also, on this thread, de-dupe, works good, but not the solution for all systems - elaboration? Thanks, Scott Ed Wilts ewi...@ewilts.org 12/17/2009 1:45 PM On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, smpt sm...@peppas.gr wrote: Dedupe works really good. But be careful, it is not the solution for all systems . It's also not free. You will pay for each terabyte of pre-duped data/Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Contact Me Linkedin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
