[Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption.
All, What is the best way to implement encryption for tape with LT04 tape drives. I have seen that some of you are using KMS. Is this the best method? I need to make sure that my tapes are encrypted with 3DES. Is the KMS function included with NBU 6.5.5 in Windows 2003 64 bit? My current encryption device is coming to end of life. This is the main reason I need to be looking at the different options. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Uli. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption.
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Ulises Rodriguez wrote: All, What is the best way to implement encryption for tape with LT04 tape drives. I have seen that some of you are using KMS. Is this the best method? I need to make sure that my tapes are encrypted with 3DES. Is the KMS function included with NBU 6.5.5 in Windows 2003 64 bit? My current encryption device is coming to end of life. This is the main reason I need to be looking at the different options. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Uli. Hi, Yes KMS, it works, little to no speed difference, with 6.5.x you only get a maximum of 2 key groups though, e.g. two volume groups that you can use, with 7.0 there are more. I believe(?) the first version that supported it was 6.5.2, but it has been awhile. For the OS, good question, also note, I've seen issues if your tape drive isn't a certain firmware rev in relation to the HBA firmware, the backups break and the fiber hba/link resets it self, make sure to do a lot of testing first. Justin. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption.
Uli, Can you tell us a little bit more about your hardware. Which vendor makes your tape drives and tape library? Out experience is with IBM lto4 and lto5 tape drives in IBM 3584 (aka TS3500) tape libraries. I believe that the tape drive support should be pretty much the same across vendors, but may be different. If you are using netbackup and need less than 20 keys, KMS looks pretty easy. We have over 100 different volume pools and each required a different key or key group. We choose to use some special support that the IBM tape drives, the IBM tape library and netbackup have set up. I am not sure if this support is in other tape drives. When the tape drive mounts a tape, it reads the volume pool number from the tape header, for a scratch tape from the header to be written to the tape. The tape drive creates a key alias using the volume pool number. It passes this to the tape library which fetches the encryption key from an external key manager. The pool number for encryption have to be in special ranges. So we assign the pool numbers to the volume pool's when we create them. But this gives us a huge number keys to work from. len From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Ulises Rodriguez Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 3:03 PM To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. All, What is the best way to implement encryption for tape with LT04 tape drives. I have seen that some of you are using KMS. Is this the best method? I need to make sure that my tapes are encrypted with 3DES. Is the KMS function included with NBU 6.5.5 in Windows 2003 64 bit? My current encryption device is coming to end of life. This is the main reason I need to be looking at the different options. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Uli. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption.
Hello The IBM library managed code for the 3584 allows one to control the encryption with volser ranges. We did not want to go that route, so we control it with netbackup volume pool numbers. The low volume pool numbers do not trigger the encryption at the tape drive, the higher ones do. So by assigning vol pool numbers in netbackup one can turn encryption on or not for a volume pool. See this doc for more information. I do not know if the other tape vendors support this. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/5cb5ed706d254a8186256c71006d2e0a/3c8fb635ba4c5eb7862572f200177aa9/$FILE/Intro%20of%20ILEP%20V4.pdf There is also doc you can get from the netbackup support folks len -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of smpt Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 3:50 PM To: 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ulises Rodriguez' Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. Hi, With NetBackup 7.x you can use 20 key groups (volume pools) with 10 (or 20?) keys per group. The big difference is that if you use the library's encryption key manager you will have all drives encryption enabled at all time. With NetBackup key manager you can choose what backup will be encrypted. With both key managers you have to have a good disaster plan. If you lose your key manager, you will lose your backups. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Piszcz Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:09 PM To: Ulises Rodriguez Cc: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Ulises Rodriguez wrote: All, What is the best way to implement encryption for tape with LT04 tape drives. I have seen that some of you are using KMS. Is this the best method? I need to make sure that my tapes are encrypted with 3DES. Is the KMS function included with NBU 6.5.5 in Windows 2003 64 bit? My current encryption device is coming to end of life. This is the main reason I need to be looking at the different options. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Uli. Hi, Yes KMS, it works, little to no speed difference, with 6.5.x you only get a maximum of 2 key groups though, e.g. two volume groups that you can use, with 7.0 there are more. I believe(?) the first version that supported it was 6.5.2, but it has been awhile. For the OS, good question, also note, I've seen issues if your tape drive isn't a certain firmware rev in relation to the HBA firmware, the backups break and the fiber hba/link resets it self, make sure to do a lot of testing first. Justin. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption.
Very useful info. Is the IBM solution free of charge or you have to pay from the EKM software? I'm asking about the software, not the implementation. Thanks Stefanos -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Len Boyle Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:11 PM To: smpt; 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ulises Rodriguez' Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. Hello The IBM library managed code for the 3584 allows one to control the encryption with volser ranges. We did not want to go that route, so we control it with netbackup volume pool numbers. The low volume pool numbers do not trigger the encryption at the tape drive, the higher ones do. So by assigning vol pool numbers in netbackup one can turn encryption on or not for a volume pool. See this doc for more information. I do not know if the other tape vendors support this. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/5cb5ed706d254a8186256c71 006d2e0a/3c8fb635ba4c5eb7862572f200177aa9/$FILE/Intro%20of%20ILEP%20V4.pdf There is also doc you can get from the netbackup support folks len -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of smpt Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 3:50 PM To: 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ulises Rodriguez' Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. Hi, With NetBackup 7.x you can use 20 key groups (volume pools) with 10 (or 20?) keys per group. The big difference is that if you use the library's encryption key manager you will have all drives encryption enabled at all time. With NetBackup key manager you can choose what backup will be encrypted. With both key managers you have to have a good disaster plan. If you lose your key manager, you will lose your backups. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Piszcz Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:09 PM To: Ulises Rodriguez Cc: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Ulises Rodriguez wrote: All, What is the best way to implement encryption for tape with LT04 tape drives. I have seen that some of you are using KMS. Is this the best method? I need to make sure that my tapes are encrypted with 3DES. Is the KMS function included with NBU 6.5.5 in Windows 2003 64 bit? My current encryption device is coming to end of life. This is the main reason I need to be looking at the different options. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Uli. Hi, Yes KMS, it works, little to no speed difference, with 6.5.x you only get a maximum of 2 key groups though, e.g. two volume groups that you can use, with 7.0 there are more. I believe(?) the first version that supported it was 6.5.2, but it has been awhile. For the OS, good question, also note, I've seen issues if your tape drive isn't a certain firmware rev in relation to the HBA firmware, the backups break and the fiber hba/link resets it self, make sure to do a lot of testing first. Justin. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption.
You have to pay to have encryption turned on for the tape library. This is a fixed one time charge. Which can be bundled in like the alms feature code. The older ekm java base software is free on an IBM platform, aix, mvs, os400, linux. The newer Tivoli software is not free. -Original Message- From: smpt [mailto:sm...@peppas.gr] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:32 PM To: Len Boyle; 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ulises Rodriguez' Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. Very useful info. Is the IBM solution free of charge or you have to pay from the EKM software? I'm asking about the software, not the implementation. Thanks Stefanos -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Len Boyle Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:11 PM To: smpt; 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ulises Rodriguez' Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. Hello The IBM library managed code for the 3584 allows one to control the encryption with volser ranges. We did not want to go that route, so we control it with netbackup volume pool numbers. The low volume pool numbers do not trigger the encryption at the tape drive, the higher ones do. So by assigning vol pool numbers in netbackup one can turn encryption on or not for a volume pool. See this doc for more information. I do not know if the other tape vendors support this. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/5cb5ed706d254a8186256c71 006d2e0a/3c8fb635ba4c5eb7862572f200177aa9/$FILE/Intro%20of%20ILEP%20V4.pdf There is also doc you can get from the netbackup support folks len -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of smpt Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 3:50 PM To: 'Justin Piszcz'; 'Ulises Rodriguez' Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. Hi, With NetBackup 7.x you can use 20 key groups (volume pools) with 10 (or 20?) keys per group. The big difference is that if you use the library's encryption key manager you will have all drives encryption enabled at all time. With NetBackup key manager you can choose what backup will be encrypted. With both key managers you have to have a good disaster plan. If you lose your key manager, you will lose your backups. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Piszcz Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:09 PM To: Ulises Rodriguez Cc: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LT04 Encryption. On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Ulises Rodriguez wrote: All, What is the best way to implement encryption for tape with LT04 tape drives. I have seen that some of you are using KMS. Is this the best method? I need to make sure that my tapes are encrypted with 3DES. Is the KMS function included with NBU 6.5.5 in Windows 2003 64 bit? My current encryption device is coming to end of life. This is the main reason I need to be looking at the different options. Just trying to get some ideas. Thanks, Uli. Hi, Yes KMS, it works, little to no speed difference, with 6.5.x you only get a maximum of 2 key groups though, e.g. two volume groups that you can use, with 7.0 there are more. I believe(?) the first version that supported it was 6.5.2, but it has been awhile. For the OS, good question, also note, I've seen issues if your tape drive isn't a certain firmware rev in relation to the HBA firmware, the backups break and the fiber hba/link resets it self, make sure to do a lot of testing first. Justin. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
