Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
NOM is included in 6.0, but it is not a reporting product. It is a operations management product, hence the name:NetBackup Operations Manager. This could explain the complaints from some other posters when trying to use it as a reporting product. Veritas Backup Reporter, on the other hand, is an add-on Symantec product that is a reporting product that is designed to compete with Aptare, Bocada, , TekTools, Wysdm, etc. --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:33 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate I was told by my netbackup 6.0 instructor not to buy backup reporter because it is built in to 6.0. The backup reporter was for versions below 6. can anyone comment on this? The instructor has been with Symantec for over 9 years and most of them in support. Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:28 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Vision is Symantec's big user conference. It is coming up next week in Las Vegas. It is definitely worth attending. If you are looking at reporting tools, I would suggest checking out Aptare and Symantec Backup Reporter. Tools like these can make your reporting life for management much easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Thanks. These reports are for monthly metrics and upper management does see them. I was just curious what others are doing to report this info. We don't have any reporting tools in place (yet). You mention Vision? What is this a user conference? Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:46 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
0n Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 06:18:12PM -0400, Curtis Preston wrote: Veritas Backup Reporter, on the other hand, is an add-on Symantec product that is a reporting product that is designed to compete with Aptare, Bocada, , TekTools, Wysdm, etc. Which one is meant to work best ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
use a reporting tool like Bocada. It will do that for you. And, if a backup fails 3 tmes and then succeeds, it's considered successful. (I would want to know what happened on those 3 failed attempts so that I could take some corrective action though). --stuart _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
Thanks. These reports are for monthly metrics and upper management does see them. I was just curious what others are doing to report this info. We don't have any reporting tools in place (yet). You mention Vision? What is this a user conference? Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:46 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
Greg, Vision is Symantec's big user conference. It is coming up next week in Las Vegas. It is definitely worth attending. If you are looking at reporting tools, I would suggest checking out Aptare and Symantec Backup Reporter. Tools like these can make your reporting life for management much easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Thanks. These reports are for monthly metrics and upper management does see them. I was just curious what others are doing to report this info. We don't have any reporting tools in place (yet). You mention Vision? What is this a user conference? Greg _ From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:46 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
I was told by my netbackup 6.0 instructor not to buy backup reporter because it is built in to 6.0. The backup reporter was for versions below 6. can anyone comment on this? The instructor has been with Symantec for over 9 years and most of them in support. Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:28 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Vision is Symantec's big user conference. It is coming up next week in Las Vegas. It is definitely worth attending. If you are looking at reporting tools, I would suggest checking out Aptare and Symantec Backup Reporter. Tools like these can make your reporting life for management much easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Thanks. These reports are for monthly metrics and upper management does see them. I was just curious what others are doing to report this info. We don't have any reporting tools in place (yet). You mention Vision? What is this a user conference? Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:46 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
Only works with Enterprise Server. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adams, Dwayne Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:35 PM To: Martin, Jonathan; NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Jonathan, The reporting option in 6.0 is called NOM and it is included in your 6.0 base license. It will gather information from 5.1 master servers. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:9U6ha-ZpH2YJ:eval.veritas.com/mktginfo/p roducts/White_Papers/Data_Protection/nbu_6_Technical_Brief_NOM_final.pdf+net backup+nom http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:9U6ha-ZpH2YJ:eval.veritas.com/mktginfo/ products/White_Papers/Data_Protection/nbu_6_Technical_Brief_NOM_final.pdf+ne tbackup+nomhl=enct=clnkcd=3gl=us hl=enct=clnkcd=3gl=us _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:01 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate LOL My Symantec Sales Rep was out here three weeks ago pitching Backup reporter as the way to go in my mixed 6.0 and 5.1 environment. Oh my! -Jonathan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:33 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate I was told by my netbackup 6.0 instructor not to buy backup reporter because it is built in to 6.0. The backup reporter was for versions below 6. can anyone comment on this? The instructor has been with Symantec for over 9 years and most of them in support. Greg _ From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:28 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Vision is Symantec's big user conference. It is coming up next week in Las Vegas. It is definitely worth attending. If you are looking at reporting tools, I would suggest checking out Aptare and Symantec Backup Reporter. Tools like these can make your reporting life for management much easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Thanks. These reports are for monthly metrics and upper management does see them. I was just curious what others are doing to report this info. We don't have any reporting tools in place (yet). You mention Vision? What is this a user conference? Greg _ From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:46 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate How does everyone track this? Do you count just total successfully backups vs. the number of attempts? And how do you handle a backup that failed 3 times but ran good on the forth? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP2 ___ Veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate
We use Aptarem as well = Carl Stehman IT Distributed Services Team Pepco Holdings, Inc. 202-331-6619 Pager 301-765-2703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adams, Dwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/04/2007 12:11 PM To Steve Fogarty [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED], NB List Mail veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate I also found out that NOM will not collect data from the 64-bit Netbackup? I am waiting for them to add compatibility so I can deploy NOM in my environment. I have used Aptare and it is a great product. Dwayne From: Steve Fogarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:54 AM To: Adams, Dwayne; 'Martin, Jonathan'; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Only works with Enterprise Server. Steve From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adams, Dwayne Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:35 PM To: Martin, Jonathan; NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Jonathan, The reporting option in 6.0 is called NOM and it is included in your 6.0 base license. It will gather information from 5.1 master servers. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:9U6ha-ZpH2YJ:eval.veritas.com/mktginfo/products/White_Papers/Data_Protection/nbu_6_Technical_Brief_NOM_final.pdf+netbackup+nomhl=enct=clnkcd=3gl=us From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:01 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate LOL My Symantec Sales Rep was out here three weeks ago pitching Backup reporter as the way to go in my mixed 6.0 and 5.1 environment. Oh my! -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:33 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate I was told by my netbackup 6.0 instructor not to buy backup reporter because it is built in to 6.0. The backup reporter was for versions below 6. can anyone comment on this? The instructor has been with Symantec for over 9 years and most of them in support. Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:28 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Vision is Symantec's big user conference. It is coming up next week in Las Vegas. It is definitely worth attending. If you are looking at reporting tools, I would suggest checking out Aptare and Symantec Backup Reporter. Tools like these can make your reporting life for management much easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: rcarlisle; NB List Mail Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Thanks. These reports are for monthly metrics and upper management does see them. I was just curious what others are doing to report this info. We don't have any reporting tools in place (yet). You mention Vision? What is this a user conference? Greg From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:46 AM To: Hindle, Greg; 'NB List Mail' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] calculating backup success rate Greg, Great questions. I would say that it depends on the audience. Any reporting tool on the market for NBU today can give you this information in different slices. Many clients do track this information and it is a great way to get a quick health check of the environment. If you are tracking this information for Management, I would speculate they are interested on the % of successful backups you ran and if you are meeting SLA's. High level reports of the number successful vs. the number of backups run should suffice. For their level, you may decide to strip out test backups, backups that were intentionally killed, and backups with multiple attempts. But that may depend on your environment and management. If you are reporting for business units, DBAs, SA's..etc, they primarily care about if their backup ran or not. You would probably want to strip out failed attempts, but you might choose to include a report on backups that should have run but didn't If you are creating a report for yourself or other NBU operators, you probably want to look at multiple attempts. This can help you identify potential issues in your environment that could threaten future success of your backups. I don't know if your going to Vision this year, but there are several sessions on backup reporting you might want to check out. Good Luck Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hindle, Greg Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:57 AM To: NB List Mail Subject: [Veritas-bu