Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
Hi, It is the best practice to consolidate all backups to one backup solution and keep the older separate as a small environment for restores from old tapes. That is what I did when I needed to migrate from ArcServe and consolidate all existing backups to NetBackup. I have a small tape liner for restores with ArcServe and all SAN based tape libraries now with NetBackup. I think, this approach is much less expensive and time consuming. Regards, Boris On 7/6/07, Jenner, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Thanks for all of the responses, they pretty much confirm what I thought. I think we may just leave a scaled down Legato system in place which can be shut down when the last tape expires in seven years. Regards, Steve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lamont2k5 Sent: 06 July 2007 05:50 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS). Had one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then backup again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources. They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their old system to cater for the restore requests. :) -lamont On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue. And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup. -- Mike Sponsler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northrop Grumman Information Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenner, Steven Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running Legato the other NetBackup. As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images created with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could be called upon for a restore at any time. Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup? We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual process detailed above would be extremely time consuming. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Steve. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
I guess I would challenge the best practice. Easiest isn't always best. One might argue that it is best to have all backups on a single solution as newer or inheriting administrators 3-4 years down the road may have no clue how to restore the old backups later if all they know is NBU. Not saying you don't have a valid point of view but I haven't seen this documented as best practice by any vendor for the very reason that there are many ways to do things. On the flip side is the legal aspect. One might be challenged in court if they provided a NetBackup restore of files that were backed up before NetBackup was implemented in one's environment. I can think of nearly as many arguments for doing the conversion as for not doing it so would challenge any best practice statement. Restated: You pays your nickel and you takes your choice. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Kraizman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:01 AM To: Jenner, Steven Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, It is the best practice to consolidate all backups to one backup solution and keep the older separate as a small environment for restores from old tapes. That is what I did when I needed to migrate from ArcServe and consolidate all existing backups to NetBackup. I have a small tape liner for restores with ArcServe and all SAN based tape libraries now with NetBackup. I think, this approach is much less expensive and time consuming. Regards, Boris On 7/6/07, Jenner, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Thanks for all of the responses, they pretty much confirm what I thought. I think we may just leave a scaled down Legato system in place which can be shut down when the last tape expires in seven years. Regards, Steve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lamont2k5 Sent: 06 July 2007 05:50 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS). Had one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then backup again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources. They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their old system to cater for the restore requests. :) -lamont On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue. And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup. -- Mike Sponsler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northrop Grumman Information Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jenner, Steven Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running Legato the other NetBackup. As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images created with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could be called upon for a restore at any time. Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup? We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual process detailed above would be extremely time consuming. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Steve. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu mailto:Veritas
Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
Hi Jeff, I work for Pharma, and we have 20 years records save policy. You need to document all your operations, we do have a lot request for restores from our ligal department and we have a good writen document how to do restores via ARcServe step by step, same in NetBackup. If you have resources to convert all your old tapes into the new format, then go for it. But in my case where I have over 1000 tapes LTO and DLT writen with ufsdump and ArcServe, nobody gave me such budget. Also, ligal or not, again if it is qualified envoronment as mine, then you would have to do the same with anything, even do retrospective qualification, I don't even talk about SOX or any other compliances. I was saying about best with less from the technology and business point. Thank you, Boris On 7/9/07, Jeff Lightner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I would challenge the best practice. Easiest isn't always best. One might argue that it is best to have all backups on a single solution as newer or inheriting administrators 3-4 years down the road may have no clue how to restore the old backups later if all they know is NBU. Not saying you don't have a valid point of view but I haven't seen this documented as best practice by any vendor for the very reason that there are many ways to do things. On the flip side is the legal aspect. One might be challenged in court if they provided a NetBackup restore of files that were backed up before NetBackup was implemented in one's environment. I can think of nearly as many arguments for doing the conversion as for not doing it so would challenge any best practice statement. Restated: You pays your nickel and you takes your choice. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Boris Kraizman *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2007 11:01 AM *To:* Jenner, Steven *Cc:* veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, It is the best practice to consolidate all backups to one backup solution and keep the older separate as a small environment for restores from old tapes. That is what I did when I needed to migrate from ArcServe and consolidate all existing backups to NetBackup. I have a small tape liner for restores with ArcServe and all SAN based tape libraries now with NetBackup. I think, this approach is much less expensive and time consuming. Regards, Boris On 7/6/07, *Jenner, Steven* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Thanks for all of the responses, they pretty much confirm what I thought. I think we may just leave a scaled down Legato system in place which can be shut down when the last tape expires in seven years. Regards, Steve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lamont2k5 Sent: 06 July 2007 05:50 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS). Had one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then backup again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources. They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their old system to cater for the restore requests. :) -lamont On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue. And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup. -- Mike Sponsler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northrop Grumman Information Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jenner, Steven Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running Legato the other NetBackup. As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images created with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could be called upon for a restore at any time. Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup? We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual process detailed above would be extremely time consuming. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Steve. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email
Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
Pharma is a special case I'll admit. Doing FDA validation does require documentation to a level that makes SOX look like a walk in the park. I worked for a big pharmaceutical in RTP, NC. Often I relate documentation horror stories to them - such as writing change controls that were on average 25 pages long (with the shortest being 11 pages and the longest over 100 pages). No worries - I just challenged the best practice line because that often implies some vendor or association has a white paper discussing it. Most of the vendors don't because they don't really care about what happens to whatever you were using prior to using them. Of course a 20 year records retention policy doesn't necessarily mean 20 years of tape backups. Also since one was allowed to microfiche paper documents in the past for legal retention I think a good lawyer could successfully use that one medium to another type of retention as a precedent for converting tapes but had thrown that out there as food for thought. If you gave 10 lawyers the same scenario and asked for a legal opinion you'd likely get 10 different opinions which would contradict each other. I wasn't saying one had to do the conversion - just playing devil's advocate because of the best practice line. From: Boris Kraizman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:38 PM To: Jeff Lightner Cc: Jenner, Steven; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi Jeff, I work for Pharma, and we have 20 years records save policy. You need to document all your operations, we do have a lot request for restores from our ligal department and we have a good writen document how to do restores via ARcServe step by step, same in NetBackup. If you have resources to convert all your old tapes into the new format, then go for it. But in my case where I have over 1000 tapes LTO and DLT writen with ufsdump and ArcServe, nobody gave me such budget. Also, ligal or not, again if it is qualified envoronment as mine, then you would have to do the same with anything, even do retrospective qualification, I don't even talk about SOX or any other compliances. I was saying about best with less from the technology and business point. Thank you, Boris On 7/9/07, Jeff Lightner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I would challenge the best practice. Easiest isn't always best. One might argue that it is best to have all backups on a single solution as newer or inheriting administrators 3-4 years down the road may have no clue how to restore the old backups later if all they know is NBU. Not saying you don't have a valid point of view but I haven't seen this documented as best practice by any vendor for the very reason that there are many ways to do things. On the flip side is the legal aspect. One might be challenged in court if they provided a NetBackup restore of files that were backed up before NetBackup was implemented in one's environment. I can think of nearly as many arguments for doing the conversion as for not doing it so would challenge any best practice statement. Restated: You pays your nickel and you takes your choice. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Kraizman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:01 AM To: Jenner, Steven Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, It is the best practice to consolidate all backups to one backup solution and keep the older separate as a small environment for restores from old tapes. That is what I did when I needed to migrate from ArcServe and consolidate all existing backups to NetBackup. I have a small tape liner for restores with ArcServe and all SAN based tape libraries now with NetBackup. I think, this approach is much less expensive and time consuming. Regards, Boris On 7/6/07, Jenner, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Thanks for all of the responses, they pretty much confirm what I thought. I think we may just leave a scaled down Legato system in place which can be shut down when the last tape expires in seven years. Regards, Steve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lamont2k5 Sent: 06 July 2007 05:50 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS). Had one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then backup again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources. They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their old system to cater for the restore requests. :) -lamont On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
Hi Guys, Thanks for all of the responses, they pretty much confirm what I thought. I think we may just leave a scaled down Legato system in place which can be shut down when the last tape expires in seven years. Regards, Steve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lamont2k5 Sent: 06 July 2007 05:50 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS). Had one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then backup again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources. They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their old system to cater for the restore requests. :) -lamont On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue. And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup. -- Mike Sponsler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northrop Grumman Information Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenner, Steven Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running Legato the other NetBackup. As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images created with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could be called upon for a restore at any time. Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup? We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual process detailed above would be extremely time consuming. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Steve. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue. And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup. -- Mike Sponsler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northrop Grumman Information Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenner, Steven Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running Legato the other NetBackup. As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images created with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could be called upon for a restore at any time. Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup? We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual process detailed above would be extremely time consuming. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Steve. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS). Had one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then backup again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources. They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their old system to cater for the restore requests. :) -lamont On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue. And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup. -- Mike Sponsler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northrop Grumman Information Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenner, Steven Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup Hi, I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running Legato the other NetBackup. As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images created with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could be called upon for a restore at any time. Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup? We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual process detailed above would be extremely time consuming. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Steve. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
