RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
Title: Message they are the most annoyance of all email products :-) Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Jim Peppas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 May 2006 20:53To: 'Wilkinson, Tim'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Hi. I've tested both VSP and VSS in the lab. The backup with VSP worked quickly but did not backup all files (status 1). With VSS, the backup started with 40 minutes delay but backed up everything (Status 0). Don't really know what goes with pst's. Regards, Jim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilkinson, TimSent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:55 AMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather rapidly) and have a question about VSP for open file backups. I've had some people who use this and others who don't although I've not had any reasons for either case. I'm wondering if it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file servers (where especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS servers (non Active Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for open file backups (although this may be wrong). What are the cons with using VSP? Cheers, - Tim Wilkinson I.T. Support Officer Science Corporate Information Systems Defence Science Technology Organisation Department of Defence Tel: (02) 96921484 Fax: (02) 96921562 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England
RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
Title: Message Well that wont help young Tim :-( And a bit bad that NBU wont do it even with open transaction agent enabled! Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Steve Cashman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2006 21:14To: DeanCc: WEAVER, Simon; Wilkinson, Tim; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows In my exp neither VSP or VSS will allow you to backup open .pst files Steve On 5/9/06, Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VSS is using the Windows VSS service, which in turn can access other technology such as Veritas Volume Manager, or snapshot/mirror capabilities of your disk hardware, which would be the way to go if you're licensed for those goodies. I am about to implement FlashBackup to backup some huge Windows file servers using the NBU 6 advanced client. Currently the backups of those file servers are very slow (the old traversing the filesystem issue). We will use Flashbackup to do block level backups. Flashbackup uses Windows VSS to ensure a consistent disk image during the backup, which in turn will utilise either VxVM or storage array snapshot capabilities to achieve this. VSP is, by comparison, fairly dumb :PAlthough I'm talking purely from theory - haven't tested it yet.I can't talk about .pst files. You should probably investigate using the NBU agent for Exchange. Tim Wilkinson I.T. Support Officer Science Corporate Information Systems Defence Science Technology Organisation Department of Defence Tel: (02) 96921484 Fax: (02) 96921562 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England
Re: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
VSS is using the Windows VSS service, which in turn can access other technology such as Veritas Volume Manager, or snapshot/mirror capabilities of your disk hardware, which would be the way to go if you're licensed for those goodies. I am about to implement FlashBackup to backup some huge Windows file servers using the NBU 6 advanced client. Currently the backups of those file servers are very slow (the old traversing the filesystem issue). We will use Flashbackup to do block level backups. Flashbackup uses Windows VSS to ensure a consistent disk image during the backup, which in turn will utilise either VxVM or storage array snapshot capabilities to achieve this. VSP is, by comparison, fairly dumb :PAlthough I'm talking purely from theory - haven't tested it yet.I can't talk about .pst files. You should probably investigate using the NBU agent for Exchange. On 5/5/06, WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well we dont back up desktops - so outlook would not be open. But I have found NBU 5.1 to perform backups with status 0 all the time. the only time I see a 1 status is if there is a file it cannot open, but even so, its not been a critical file. When you enable VSS/VSP - take a look at this document. http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/276739.htm Might be of a point of reference. One of my sites was continually getting 156 messages and they called Veritas... (before calling Symantec. Guess what they told them to do??) Answer turn off VSS Well it was disabled, and the backups have worked solid since. I also come from a NBU 3.4 with OTM was used (open transaction manager) and that still had issues, although in some cases, it was ok. I dont list .pst files :-) Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 May 2006 23:40To: WEAVER, Simon; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Not yet - I'm still looking at it in a test environment. How would you backup open windows files on Windows 2000 without it? It's quite likely that people leave Outlook open on their desktop at the end of the day and in the past this has caused open file issues (as well as any documents they might be working on). From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 2:55 AMTo: Wilkinson, Tim; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Cons: Backups can fail with status 156 Pros: Well I dont use it - and even with AD, its not even used. and yet it still gets backed up! VSP/VSS within Netbackup will need disk space. Have you tried it yet? Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 May 2006 06:55To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather rapidly) and have a question about VSP for open file backups. I've had some people who use this and others who don't although I've not had any reasons for either case. I'm wondering if it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file servers (where especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS servers (non Active Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for open file backups (although this may be wrong). What are the cons with using VSP? Cheers, - Tim Wilkinson I.T. Support Officer Science Corporate Information Systems Defence Science Technology Organisation Department of Defence Tel: (02) 96921484 Fax: (02) 96921562 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email is for the intended addressee only.If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it.Please notify the sender by return email.The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited.Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation.EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author
RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
Title: Message Well we dont back up desktops - so outlook would not be open. But I have found NBU 5.1 to perform backups with status 0 all the time. the only time I see a "1" status is if there is a file it cannot open, but even so, its not been a critical file. When you enable VSS/VSP - take a look at this document. http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/276739.htm Might be of a point of reference. One of my sites was continually getting 156 messages and they called Veritas... (before calling Symantec. Guess what they told them to do??) Answer turn off VSS Well it was disabled, and the backups have worked solid since. I also come from a NBU 3.4 with OTM was used (open transaction manager) and that still had issues, although in some cases, it was ok. I dont list .pst files :-) Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 May 2006 23:40To: WEAVER, Simon; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Not yet - I'm still looking at it in a test environment. How would you backup open windows files on Windows 2000 without it? It's quite likely that people leave Outlook open on their desktop at the end of the day and in the past this has caused open file issues (as well as any documents they might be working on). From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 2:55 AMTo: Wilkinson, Tim; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Cons: Backups can fail with status 156 Pros: Well I dont use it - and even with AD, its not even used. and yet it still gets backed up! VSP/VSS within Netbackup will need disk space. Have you tried it yet? Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 May 2006 06:55To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather rapidly) and have a question about VSP for open file backups. I've had some people who use this and others who don't although I've not had any reasons for either case. I'm wondering if it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file servers (where especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS servers (non Active Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for open file backups (although this may be wrong). What are the cons with using VSP? Cheers, - Tim Wilkinson I.T. Support Officer Science Corporate Information Systems Defence Science Technology Organisation Department of Defence Tel: (02) 96921484 Fax: (02) 96921562 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email is for the intended addressee only.If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it.Please notify the sender by return email.The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited.Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation.EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England
RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
Title: Message Cons: Backups can fail with status 156 Pros: Well I dont use it - and even with AD, its not even used. and yet it still gets backed up! VSP/VSS within Netbackup will need disk space. Have you tried it yet? Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 May 2006 06:55To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather rapidly) and have a question about VSP for open file backups. I've had some people who use this and others who don't although I've not had any reasons for either case. I'm wondering if it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file servers (where especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS servers (non Active Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for open file backups (although this may be wrong). What are the cons with using VSP? Cheers, - Tim Wilkinson I.T. Support Officer Science Corporate Information Systems Defence Science Technology Organisation Department of Defence Tel: (02) 96921484 Fax: (02) 96921562 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England
RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
Title: Message Not yet - I'm still looking at it in a test environment. How would you backup open windows files on Windows 2000 without it? It's quite likely that people leave Outlook open on their desktop at the end of the day and in the past this has caused open file issues (as well as any documents they might be working on). From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 5 May 2006 2:55 AMTo: Wilkinson, Tim; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Cons: Backups can fail with status 156 Pros: Well I dont use it - and even with AD, its not even used. and yet it still gets backed up! VSP/VSS within Netbackup will need disk space. Have you tried it yet? Regards Simon Weaver3rd Line Technical SupportWindows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 May 2006 06:55To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows Hi, I'm a bit of a newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather rapidly) and have a question about VSP for open file backups. I've had some people who use this and others who don't although I've not had any reasons for either case. I'm wondering if it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file servers (where especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS servers (non Active Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for open file backups (although this may be wrong). What are the cons with using VSP? Cheers, - Tim Wilkinson I.T. Support Officer Science Corporate Information Systems Defence Science Technology Organisation Department of Defence Tel: (02) 96921484 Fax: (02) 96921562 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email is for the intended addressee only.If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it.Please notify the sender by return email.The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited.Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation.EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England
