Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Mr Preston - thanks so much - that's actually so funny...you are the reason why I had this string on the auburn list because of something you said at one of your backup school seminars. Pretty awesome! Mike _ From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Conner, Mike Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Not sure I agree with you on the comment about competition. First, they're more in competition NetApp's de-dupe NearStore, and they're the main vendor that's helping NBU to move forward with the DSU stuff. (NetApp's probably a close second and may be a tie.) NBU is making their DSU/DSSU stuff better, and will soon be charging for it, and Data Domain is leading that charge. Translation: Symantec loves Data Domain. I don't think there's any support issues to worry about there. As to being in competition with Puredisk, the two products are actually quite different and are aiming at two different problems. Puredisk is aimed at solving remote backup and DD is aimed at being an inexpensive, high performance target for all backups. We'll see how it all plays out, but I see them being a perfect fit together. One's for remote data, and the other is for data center data. If Puredisk is similar in performance to other remote office solution's I've seen, I doubt it will even come close to competing with DD in performance. BUT, DD costs tens of thousands per box and you're not going to put one of those in every remote site if you've only got a 100 GB of data. That's where Puredisk would play well. Just my $.02. --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:52 AM To: Conner, Mike Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Mike, If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and found a major bug in the code. They state that the code fix will not be GA until July of this year. There support is great, very helpful and knowledgeable. Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start troubleshooting. To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either. DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU. I would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. I hope this helps. Steve Bally Systems Engineer RadiSys Corporation www.radisys.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 503-615-1207 Cell: 503-970-6201 This electronic message (Email) contains information which may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be used solely by the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this transmission (Email) in error, please notify me immediately. Conner, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/2007 08:49 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x? We are currently talking with Data Domain, but I'd like to hear what experiences are... Thanks Mike ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Not sure I agree with you on the comment about competition. First, they're more in competition NetApp's de-dupe NearStore, and they're the main vendor that's helping NBU to move forward with the DSU stuff. (NetApp's probably a close second and may be a tie.) NBU is making their DSU/DSSU stuff better, and will soon be charging for it, and Data Domain is leading that charge. Translation: Symantec loves Data Domain. I don't think there's any support issues to worry about there. As to being in competition with Puredisk, the two products are actually quite different and are aiming at two different problems. Puredisk is aimed at solving remote backup and DD is aimed at being an inexpensive, high performance target for all backups. We'll see how it all plays out, but I see them being a perfect fit together. One's for remote data, and the other is for data center data. If Puredisk is similar in performance to other remote office solution's I've seen, I doubt it will even come close to competing with DD in performance. BUT, DD costs tens of thousands per box and you're not going to put one of those in every remote site if you've only got a 100 GB of data. That's where Puredisk would play well. Just my $.02. --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:52 AM To: Conner, Mike Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Mike, If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and found a major bug in the code. They state that the code fix will not be GA until July of this year. There support is great, very helpful and knowledgeable. Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start troubleshooting. To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either. DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU. I would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. I hope this helps. Steve Bally Systems Engineer RadiSys Corporation www.radisys.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 503-615-1207 Cell: 503-970-6201 This electronic message (Email) contains information which may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be used solely by the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this transmission (Email) in error, please notify me immediately. Conner, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/2007 08:49 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x? We are currently talking with Data Domain, but I'd like to hear what experiences are... Thanks Mike ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Mr. Preston is my dad. I'm Mr. Backup. ;) --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies From: Conner, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:08 AM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Mr Preston - thanks so much - that's actually so funny...you are the reason why I had this string on the auburn list because of something you said at one of your backup school seminars. Pretty awesome! Mike From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Conner, Mike Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Not sure I agree with you on the comment about competition. First, they're more in competition NetApp's de-dupe NearStore, and they're the main vendor that's helping NBU to move forward with the DSU stuff. (NetApp's probably a close second and may be a tie.) NBU is making their DSU/DSSU stuff better, and will soon be charging for it, and Data Domain is leading that charge. Translation: Symantec loves Data Domain. I don't think there's any support issues to worry about there. As to being in competition with Puredisk, the two products are actually quite different and are aiming at two different problems. Puredisk is aimed at solving remote backup and DD is aimed at being an inexpensive, high performance target for all backups. We'll see how it all plays out, but I see them being a perfect fit together. One's for remote data, and the other is for data center data. If Puredisk is similar in performance to other remote office solution's I've seen, I doubt it will even come close to competing with DD in performance. BUT, DD costs tens of thousands per box and you're not going to put one of those in every remote site if you've only got a 100 GB of data. That's where Puredisk would play well. Just my $.02. --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:52 AM To: Conner, Mike Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Mike, If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and found a major bug in the code. They state that the code fix will not be GA until July of this year. There support is great, very helpful and knowledgeable. Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start troubleshooting. To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either. DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU. I would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. I hope this helps. Steve Bally Systems Engineer RadiSys Corporation www.radisys.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 503-615-1207 Cell: 503-970-6201 This electronic message (Email) contains information which may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be used solely by the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this transmission (Email) in error, please notify me immediately. Conner, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/2007 08:49 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x? We are currently talking with Data Domain, but I'd like to hear what experiences are... Thanks Mike ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Mike, We use NBU 5.1 MP5 with a pair of Data Domain DD460's, one replicating the other. We have hadthem installed about 6 months, and we have not had a single problem. We use a Unix Master server, so we just NFS mounted the DD460 and created the storage unit, and started writing backups to it. Worked great. We did create some CIFS mounts from some Windows media servers, which was a little more hairy, but I think that was more on the media server side than the Data Domain side. Restoring from them has been trouble free, as well. There is a great tuning guide for Data Domain/ NetBackup setups available from the Data Domain website knowledgebase that was helpful, and the few times I have called support (for technical questions, no problems) they were very good. Hope this helps! Chuck ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Mike: I echo Chuck's experience. We are running NBU 6MP4 with DD460s and a 560 with a Sol10/T2000 master. We have not been able to get the network throughput that we have wanted. The network throughput is adequate to make our windows. DD tech support is good. We have three in production and replicate to three more in our BCP cold site. Restorals are quick and reliable too. Compression (de-duplication) numbers may vary. We found that the compression factor is definitely data-dependent. Do your home work as to how compressed your native data is. If there is little compression you could do very well on the de-dup/compression (20x or greater (maybe)). Do not count on what the sales guys and their glossies say. Test it first. They do reduce the data stored/replicated. They work as advertised. Good luck, Bill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Conner, Mike Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:50 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x? We are currently talking with Data Domain, but I'd like to hear what experiences are... Thanks Mike ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Thanks Steve - any info helps. We currently do not do NDMP and don't plan on it as we don't have any NAS devices. You bring up an interesting point, we are looking at Symantec Pure Disk too...they would probably have to be used for our remote offices anyway. Data Domain said they wouldn't be able to give us a cost benefit for our remote offices if they are backing up under 300-400 GBs. That is the case for most of our 12 remote offices. Does anyone else use Pure Disk? Mike _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:52 PM To: Conner, Mike Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU Mike, If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and found a major bug in the code. They state that the code fix will not be GA until July of this year. There support is great, very helpful and knowledgeable. Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start troubleshooting. To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either. DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU. I would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. I hope this helps. Steve Bally Systems Engineer RadiSys Corporation www.radisys.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 503-615-1207 Cell: 503-970-6201 This electronic message (Email) contains information which may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be used solely by the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this transmission (Email) in error, please notify me immediately. Conner, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/2007 08:49 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x? We are currently talking with Data Domain, but I'd like to hear what experiences are... Thanks Mike ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU
Mike, If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and found a major bug in the code. They state that the code fix will not be GA until July of this year. There support is great, very helpful and knowledgeable. Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start troubleshooting. To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either. DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU. I would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. I hope this helps. Steve Bally Systems Engineer RadiSys Corporation www.radisys.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 503-615-1207 Cell: 503-970-6201 This electronic message (Email) contains information which may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be used solely by the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this transmission (Email) in error, please notify me immediately. Conner, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/2007 08:49 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x? We are currently talking with Data Domain, but I’d like to hear what experiences are… Thanks Mike ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
