AW: [VFB] Booby fly line setup?
Hi Wes, here is a link: http://www.bishfish.co.nz/webbooks/smttrout/boobyfly.htm (maybe helpfull) Thomas -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag von Wes Wada Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 05:22 An: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Betreff: [VFB] Booby fly line setup? Hi VFB, I have a question, especially directed to our European fly fishers, who might fish booby patterns. Booby patterns are fly patterns that float on a short leader above a fast sinking full-sink line. The object, as I understand it, is to have the line sitting on the bottom of the stillwater, and with a jerky retrieve, the fly dives toward the bottom. Stop, and the fly floats upward to the extent of the leader length. Advice I have seen, suggests to use a tippet length that will put the fly six inches above the tops of the weeds. The problem is the combination of a fast sinking weight forward line, a bulky, but lightweight fly, and a very short leader... is a stinkeroo casting combo. I have been researching what to do here, and am considering the following combinations: 1. Attach a length of Rio T14 (tungsten-impregnated level line) via loop connectors, between the line and leader. T14 sinks at about 9 inches per second, I think the figure was 14 grains weight per foot. There is the same type of line available at lighter, slower sink version, and also one that is heavier, faster sink. The question would be, what length of T14 would be a good starting point for experimentation? Please note that this strategy does not suggest any alteration to your normal full sink fly line. 2. Get a full sinking line about two line weights over your rod weight designation. Chop off about 20 feet of line off the front end. Attach leader and fly. Add a length of T14, if necessary. This creates a fast sinking shooting head that does a good job of lobbing the fly, and quickly sinks to the bottom, maintaining the ideal leader length. 3. I am told the following solution has been used by competition fly fishers. You use eight feet of leader, with the top fly about 2 feet from the leader/line connection, and a point fly on the end of a tapered 8 ft. leader. This creates a leader that casts more normally. One booby fly is positioned slightly above the lake bottom, the other is as much as eight feet off the bottom. When the combination is jerked repeatedly, the top fly can dive a good three or four feet. These booby flies have been designed to have the leader pass down the center axis of the top fly. That way, the fly never spins the leader. Those are the possibilities I am seeing so far. Each has advantages and disadvantages. What do you think might work best? Any other ideas? What is a typical European booby line/leader setup? --- Finally did some serious booby fishing about a week ago, and had a trout take the fly near the shoreline. Was very interesting to see the fish's reaction to the fly. Thanks, Wes Wada Bend, Oregon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Booby rigs
Wes, there are many ways to rig boobies - I have 5 pages on the subject in Stillwater Fly Fishing. The depth and type of bottom, from boat or shore, anchored or drifting, the feeding level of fish; all these and others influence how they are rigged and fished. I fish them on everything from floating lines to hi-speed/hi-D full sinkers. cheers Paul -- Paul Marriner Outdoor Writing Photography. Owner: Gale's End Press. Member: OWAA OWC. Author of: A Compendium of Canadian Fly Patterns (co-author), Stillwater Fly Fishing: Tools Tactics, How to Choose Use Fly-tying Thread, Modern Atlantic Salmon Flies, Miramichi River Journal, Ausable River Journal, and Atlantic Salmon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: Booby fly line setup?
All the responses so far have been very helpful. Thank you. I am usually bank fishing to about 7-12 feet water depth, and anything from a smooth bottom (rare) to a weed covered area with weeds 18-24 high. One problem I see besides the difficulty of casting the combination, is that as the line sinks, or you start retrieving, by the time the fly is near the bottom, it has been pulled a good ten feet toward the angler. Starting with a short cast, and losing 10' before the fly is near the bottom makes for poor coverage, I would think. Fishing the combo from a float tube or pontoon boat would be easy as you could lay out line as you traveled along the surface. My problems are compounded by the fly I am experimenting with, an original molded foam dragonfly nymph. This thing has a lot of foam in it, and tends to pull the end of the line off the bottom. Here's a link to see the fly... so far, the fish like it! http://www.info-fx.com/bugpics/dn_rl_web_500.jpg Wes On 3/19/09, Wes Wada wada@gmail.com wrote: Hi VFB, I have a question, especially directed to our European fly fishers, who might fish booby patterns. Booby patterns are fly patterns that float on a short leader above a fast sinking full-sink line. The object, as I understand it, is to have the line sitting on the bottom of the stillwater, and with a jerky retrieve, the fly dives toward the bottom. Stop, and the fly floats upward to the extent of the leader length. Advice I have seen, suggests to use a tippet length that will put the fly six inches above the tops of the weeds. The problem is the combination of a fast sinking weight forward line, a bulky, but lightweight fly, and a very short leader... is a stinkeroo casting combo. I have been researching what to do here, and am considering the following combinations: 1. Attach a length of Rio T14 (tungsten-impregnated level line) via loop connectors, between the line and leader. T14 sinks at about 9 inches per second, I think the figure was 14 grains weight per foot. There is the same type of line available at lighter, slower sink version, and also one that is heavier, faster sink. The question would be, what length of T14 would be a good starting point for experimentation? Please note that this strategy does not suggest any alteration to your normal full sink fly line. 2. Get a full sinking line about two line weights over your rod weight designation. Chop off about 20 feet of line off the front end. Attach leader and fly. Add a length of T14, if necessary. This creates a fast sinking shooting head that does a good job of lobbing the fly, and quickly sinks to the bottom, maintaining the ideal leader length. 3. I am told the following solution has been used by competition fly fishers. You use eight feet of leader, with the top fly about 2 feet from the leader/line connection, and a point fly on the end of a tapered 8 ft. leader. This creates a leader that casts more normally. One booby fly is positioned slightly above the lake bottom, the other is as much as eight feet off the bottom. When the combination is jerked repeatedly, the top fly can dive a good three or four feet. These booby flies have been designed to have the leader pass down the center axis of the top fly. That way, the fly never spins the leader. Those are the possibilities I am seeing so far. Each has advantages and disadvantages. What do you think might work best? Any other ideas? What is a typical European booby line/leader setup? --- Finally did some serious booby fishing about a week ago, and had a trout take the fly near the shoreline. Was very interesting to see the fish's reaction to the fly. Thanks, Wes Wada Bend, Oregon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FW: [VFB] Mayfly Dry and Nymph Swaps
His last communication. May your GOD be your fishing partner. EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:35:14 -0600 Subject: [VFB] Mayfly Dry and Nymph Swaps From: cbroom...@chemistry.montana.edu To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To All Swappers, So - against all belief, I'm sure, I have the flies packaged up and ready to ship. I will not waste space or insult anybody's sensibility to make excuses about the slight delay in getting these out. It's been the gnarliest year of my life BUT I should have taken care of this LONG ago. Please accept my sincere apologies. I hope that any bitterness that any of you harbor against me will be transformed into fish in hand this season. Two orders of business... The first two people who sent in flies are receiving special extras. I've acknowledged who they are before but I honestly cannot remember (I've slept since then...)...would you please let me know who you are? There were a few people who did not send in flies (I COULD say that I've still been waiting for them...but nobody would buy it...). So we have two full sets of dries and nymphs that are unaccounted for. I propose that we decide on a worthy recipient; does anyone know of somebody who could really USE 9 nymphs and 12 dries. Meaning...someone starting out, someone who just got laid off and could use a pick me up? Some homeless flyfisher (don't laugh...the first trout I caught was on a fly bought from a homeless flyfisher in Boulder, CO). I'll take suggestions off list. My new email is ccbroom...@gmail.com Feel free to yell at me off list and - if it makes you feel comfortable - to badger me about getting the damn boxes in the mail before July 4. Again - I am truly sorry. Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
