Re: [VFB] book
I have it and it is OK, not spectacular and I would not buy it again. You can get the same information on the internet free of charge. Of course, he only talks about furled flies and after you learn the technique, all the flies look the same, just different colors of furled thread tails. Don't know if this helps. Joyce On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, The Smiths aflyt...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone have any knowledge of a Paper back byKen Hanley titled Tying Furled Flies? Gary S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
When dressing dry-flies, we must always keep in mind the fish's point of view rather than our own. Romilly Fedden - Golden Days [1919] º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, Member, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Joyce, that info helps out a lot. 1. I saw the photos of what he was doing and you seem right on. Just extended furled fiber-tails with lots of different flies applied. Once anyone gets the rope dub down pat, the furling is another open door to some cool applications, not just another tail on the fly. I wish I could tell you all of the applications, but I'd be telling y'all what's on DVD #2. ;o) What I can say is that anything that will rope-dub will also furl (within useable limits), with thread core, mono core, wire core, or bite tippet core. Also, all of your dubbing materials, synthetics, furs, fibers, peacock, etc., become materials for furls. One hint (which I've attached photos on)- chopped up dubbing, like that green lamb's wool, will rope and furl and make great fuzzy, soft, flexible caterpillars, as thick as you want them and very durable (and tapered if you want). If you rope-dub on light wire, you can shape the 'pillar into a curl or bend that's not on the hook itself, and it will still be very flexible to the fish for feel, and still dense and 'fleshy'. 2. Looks like DVD#2 will turn out almost like DVD#1- so many techniques, not enough space/time to do patterns and recipes. I'm saw that some DVD's for sale that were in much longer format that the one I did. I'm checking into it to make sure the quality is the same. Do you guys think a 2, 3, 4 hour DVD#2 (for the same price) would be agood idea, sine it can be indexed like #1? Then I could do all of the techhniques and show lots of rope-dub finishing techniques to graduate into the fly bodies. Securing the rope-bodies to the hook was a problem for one guy at the show, so I showed him about 4 ways to secure the fly to a slick hook (shiny plated saltwater hooks are very slick). Which brings up item #3: 3. Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. 4. I've used Super-glue gel for my big deceiver flies to attach the eyes, but they seemed to have a smell long after the glue dried. So I seal all the heads and eyes with vinyl cement, which makes them more durable and seals in the SG smell. The vinyl cement has no detectable smell after two weeks. My lure-fishing experience tell me to give them a shot of WD-40 before fishing, to hide the human scents, but not to 'flavor' the fly (illegal in many areas). It works with Mackinaw trolling flies, so it should work with trout through marlin flies also. Oil-related smells permeate the water- so fish are used to smelling them. Problem is, some fly materials react to the oil, and then degrade. Don't know which ones they are until it's too late. Add that to materials reacting to the sun and salt, and many materials just don't hold up in the real world- especially holographic streamer fibers. DonO - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book I have it and it is OK, not spectacular and I would not buy it again. You can get the same information on the internet free of charge. Of course, he only talks about furled flies and after you learn the technique, all the flies look the same, just different colors of furled thread tails. Don't know if this helps. Joyce On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, The Smiths aflyt...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone have any knowledge of a Paper back byKen Hanley titled Tying Furled Flies? Gary S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Don, I accuse Dave of having stock in Zap A Gap. Got a couple of sample bottles from him at the Smallmouth show in Oklahoma last May. I have been told he will be at the Sowbug in March. Tony --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:43 AM Joyce, that info helps out a lot. 1. I saw the photos of what he was doing and you seem right on. Just extended furled fiber-tails with lots of different flies applied. Once anyone gets the rope dub down pat, the furling is another open door to some cool applications, not just another tail on the fly. I wish I could tell you all of the applications, but I'd be telling y'all what's on DVD #2. ;o) What I can say is that anything that will rope-dub will also furl (within useable limits), with thread core, mono core, wire core, or bite tippet core. Also, all of your dubbing materials, synthetics, furs, fibers, peacock, etc., become materials for furls. One hint (which I've attached photos on)- chopped up dubbing, like that green lamb's wool, will rope and furl and make great fuzzy, soft, flexible caterpillars, as thick as you want them and very durable (and tapered if you want). If you rope-dub on light wire, you can shape the 'pillar into a curl or bend that's not on the hook itself, and it will still be very flexible to the fish for feel, and still dense and 'fleshy'. 2. Looks like DVD#2 will turn out almost like DVD#1- so many techniques, not enough space/time to do patterns and recipes. I'm saw that some DVD's for sale that were in much longer format that the one I did. I'm checking into it to make sure the quality is the same. Do you guys think a 2, 3, 4 hour DVD#2 (for the same price) would be agood idea, sine it can be indexed like #1? Then I could do all of the techhniques and show lots of rope-dub finishing techniques to graduate into the fly bodies. Securing the rope-bodies to the hook was a problem for one guy at the show, so I showed him about 4 ways to secure the fly to a slick hook (shiny plated saltwater hooks are very slick). Which brings up item #3: 3. Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. 4. I've used Super-glue gel for my big deceiver flies to attach the eyes, but they seemed to have a smell long after the glue dried. So I seal all the heads and eyes with vinyl cement, which makes them more durable and seals in the SG smell. The vinyl cement has no detectable smell after two weeks. My lure-fishing experience tell me to give them a shot of WD-40 before fishing, to hide the human scents, but not to 'flavor' the fly (illegal in many areas). It works with Mackinaw trolling flies, so it should work with trout through marlin flies also. Oil-related smells permeate the water- so fish are used to smelling them. Problem is, some fly materials react to the oil, and then degrade. Don't know which ones they are until it's too late. Add that to materials reacting to the sun and salt, and many materials just don't hold up in the real world- especially holographic streamer fibers. DonO - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book I have it and it is OK, not spectacular and I would not buy it again. You can get the same information on the internet free of charge. Of course, he only talks about furled flies and after you learn the technique, all the flies look the same, just different colors of furled thread tails. Don't know if this helps. Joyce On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, The Smiths aflyt...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone have any knowledge of a Paper back byKen Hanley titled Tying Furled Flies? Gary S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Tony, Is that an 'LOL'? If that is so, is it a 'conflict of interest' to be hawking/selling it as a stockholder? How does it work? If I bought stock in Whiting, Flex-O, Mc Flyfoam, etc., can I still hawk their products? DonO - Original Message - From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 Don, I accuse Dave of having stock in Zap A Gap. Got a couple of sample bottles from him at the Smallmouth show in Oklahoma last May. I have been told he will be at the Sowbug in March. Tony --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:43 AM Joyce, that info helps out a lot. 1. I saw the photos of what he was doing and you seem right on. Just extended furled fiber-tails with lots of different flies applied. Once anyone gets the rope dub down pat, the furling is another open door to some cool applications, not just another tail on the fly. I wish I could tell you all of the applications, but I'd be telling y'all what's on DVD #2. ;o) What I can say is that anything that will rope-dub will also furl (within useable limits), with thread core, mono core, wire core, or bite tippet core. Also, all of your dubbing materials, synthetics, furs, fibers, peacock, etc., become materials for furls. One hint (which I've attached photos on)- chopped up dubbing, like that green lamb's wool, will rope and furl and make great fuzzy, soft, flexible caterpillars, as thick as you want them and very durable (and tapered if you want). If you rope-dub on light wire, you can shape the 'pillar into a curl or bend that's not on the hook itself, and it will still be very flexible to the fish for feel, and still dense and 'fleshy'. 2. Looks like DVD#2 will turn out almost like DVD#1- so many techniques, not enough space/time to do patterns and recipes. I'm saw that some DVD's for sale that were in much longer format that the one I did. I'm checking into it to make sure the quality is the same. Do you guys think a 2, 3, 4 hour DVD#2 (for the same price) would be agood idea, sine it can be indexed like #1? Then I could do all of the techhniques and show lots of rope-dub finishing techniques to graduate into the fly bodies. Securing the rope-bodies to the hook was a problem for one guy at the show, so I showed him about 4 ways to secure the fly to a slick hook (shiny plated saltwater hooks are very slick). Which brings up item #3: 3. Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. 4. I've used Super-glue gel for my big deceiver flies to attach the eyes, but they seemed to have a smell long after the glue dried. So I seal all the heads and eyes with vinyl cement, which makes them more durable and seals in the SG smell. The vinyl cement has no detectable smell after two weeks. My lure-fishing experience tell me to give them a shot of WD-40 before fishing, to hide the human scents, but not to 'flavor' the fly (illegal in many areas). It works with Mackinaw trolling flies, so it should work with trout through marlin flies also. Oil-related smells permeate the water- so fish are used to smelling them. Problem is, some fly materials react to the oil, and then degrade. Don't know which ones they are until it's too late. Add that to materials reacting to the sun and salt, and many materials just don't hold up in the real world- especially holographic streamer fibers. DonO - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book I have it and it is OK, not spectacular and I would not buy it again. You can get the same information on the internet free of charge. Of course, he only talks about furled flies and after you learn the technique, all the flies look the same, just different colors of furled thread tails. Don't know if this helps. Joyce On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, The Smiths aflyt...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone have any knowledge of a Paper back byKen Hanley titled Tying Furled Flies? Gary S.
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Yes it is an LOL I keep teasing Dave about it, have been for years. Sorry if it came through any other way. It was meant as a joke. Dave is a good friend to all of us. Tony --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:23 AM Tony, Is that an 'LOL'? If that is so, is it a 'conflict of interest' to be hawking/selling it as a stockholder? How does it work? If I bought stock in Whiting, Flex-O, Mc Flyfoam, etc., can I still hawk their products? DonO - Original Message - From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 Don, I accuse Dave of having stock in Zap A Gap. Got a couple of sample bottles from him at the Smallmouth show in Oklahoma last May. I have been told he will be at the Sowbug in March. Tony --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:43 AM Joyce, that info helps out a lot. 1. I saw the photos of what he was doing and you seem right on. Just extended furled fiber-tails with lots of different flies applied. Once anyone gets the rope dub down pat, the furling is another open door to some cool applications, not just another tail on the fly. I wish I could tell you all of the applications, but I'd be telling y'all what's on DVD #2. ;o) What I can say is that anything that will rope-dub will also furl (within useable limits), with thread core, mono core, wire core, or bite tippet core. Also, all of your dubbing materials, synthetics, furs, fibers, peacock, etc., become materials for furls. One hint (which I've attached photos on)- chopped up dubbing, like that green lamb's wool, will rope and furl and make great fuzzy, soft, flexible caterpillars, as thick as you want them and very durable (and tapered if you want). If you rope-dub on light wire, you can shape the 'pillar into a curl or bend that's not on the hook itself, and it will still be very flexible to the fish for feel, and still dense and 'fleshy'. 2. Looks like DVD#2 will turn out almost like DVD#1- so many techniques, not enough space/time to do patterns and recipes. I'm saw that some DVD's for sale that were in much longer format that the one I did. I'm checking into it to make sure the quality is the same. Do you guys think a 2, 3, 4 hour DVD#2 (for the same price) would be agood idea, sine it can be indexed like #1? Then I could do all of the techhniques and show lots of rope-dub finishing techniques to graduate into the fly bodies. Securing the rope-bodies to the hook was a problem for one guy at the show, so I showed him about 4 ways to secure the fly to a slick hook (shiny plated saltwater hooks are very slick). Which brings up item #3: 3. Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. 4. I've used Super-glue gel for my big deceiver flies to attach the eyes, but they seemed to have a smell long after the glue dried. So I seal all the heads and eyes with vinyl cement, which makes them more durable and seals in the SG smell. The vinyl cement has no detectable smell after two weeks. My lure-fishing experience tell me to give them a shot of WD-40 before fishing, to hide the human scents, but not to 'flavor' the fly (illegal in many areas). It works with Mackinaw trolling flies, so it should work with trout through marlin flies also. Oil-related smells permeate the water- so fish are used to smelling them.
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Dick Telaur has a presentation he is is doing at the Fly Fishing Shows and clubs this year, and he says Dave is distributor for Pace, the maker of Zap A Gap. They make lots of adhesives for industry as well. It has lots of flies with a hit of Zap on each. I'm not sure what deal Dick has is, but there has to be a buck for him somewhere in there. Peggy Don Ordes wrote: Joyce, that info helps out a lot. *3.* Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
I don't know, Tony, Peggy... When you have a schtik like that, you could get sticky fingers. So are Dick and Dave bonding now? I heard it was slow starting, but they stuck it out. Should I become an adherent of CAs also? I'll 'tie' a fly without thread, that is all glued together. What to call it...hmmm... 'Super-Gluey-Louie'?, the '007 Special (James Bond)?, British- 'Sticky Wickett'? , 'Zap-happy' (smelling the fumes too long)? ... Buggs - Original Message - From: Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 Dick Telaur has a presentation he is is doing at the Fly Fishing Shows and clubs this year, and he says Dave is distributor for Pace, the maker of Zap A Gap. They make lots of adhesives for industry as well. It has lots of flies with a hit of Zap on each. I'm not sure what deal Dick has is, but there has to be a buck for him somewhere in there. Peggy Don Ordes wrote: Joyce, that info helps out a lot. *3.* Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Easy to tell it's a Monday... -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:48 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 I don't know, Tony, Peggy... When you have a schtik like that, you could get sticky fingers. So are Dick and Dave bonding now? I heard it was slow starting, but they stuck it out. Should I become an adherent of CAs also? I'll 'tie' a fly without thread, that is all glued together. What to call it...hmmm... 'Super-Gluey-Louie'?, the '007 Special (James Bond)?, British- 'Sticky Wickett'? , 'Zap-happy' (smelling the fumes too long)? ... Buggs - Original Message - From: Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 Dick Telaur has a presentation he is is doing at the Fly Fishing Shows and clubs this year, and he says Dave is distributor for Pace, the maker of Zap A Gap. They make lots of adhesives for industry as well. It has lots of flies with a hit of Zap on each. I'm not sure what deal Dick has is, but there has to be a buck for him somewhere in there. Peggy Don Ordes wrote: Joyce, that info helps out a lot. *3.* Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
You should archive this email under 'Sticky-notes'. New phrase: 'A stick in time saves twine.' Coachmen are green, BWOs are blue, Save on knots, use more glue. Dr. D chimes in... - Original Message - From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 And I thought it was ME stuck in the middle of the corn... -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:48 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 I don't know, Tony, Peggy... When you have a schtik like that, you could get sticky fingers. So are Dick and Dave bonding now? I heard it was slow starting, but they stuck it out. Should I become an adherent of CAs also? I'll 'tie' a fly without thread, that is all glued together. What to call it...hmmm... 'Super-Gluey-Louie'?, the '007 Special (James Bond)?, British- 'Sticky Wickett'? , 'Zap-happy' (smelling the fumes too long)? ... Buggs - Original Message - From: Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 Dick Telaur has a presentation he is is doing at the Fly Fishing Shows and clubs this year, and he says Dave is distributor for Pace, the maker of Zap A Gap. They make lots of adhesives for industry as well. It has lots of flies with a hit of Zap on each. I'm not sure what deal Dick has is, but there has to be a buck for him somewhere in there. Peggy Don Ordes wrote: Joyce, that info helps out a lot. *3.* Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Black Hackle
I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle I had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad de...@conranch.com and had him send me a saddle. I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle. Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the feathers. Arkansas Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Black Hackle
How about making a few Black WRD?? Thank you, Alan Di Somma Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks? http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Cc: flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: [VFB] Black Hackle I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle I had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad de...@conranch.com and had him send me a saddle. I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle. Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the feathers. Arkansas Tony -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.149/2630 - Release Date: 01/18/10 07:35:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40
Thank you, Alan Di Somma Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks? http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book comments, DVDs, Zap-a-gap, WD-40 Joyce, that info helps out a lot. 1. I saw the photos of what he was doing and you seem right on. Just extended furled fiber-tails with lots of different flies applied. Once anyone gets the rope dub down pat, the furling is another open door to some cool applications, not just another tail on the fly. I wish I could tell you all of the applications, but I'd be telling y'all what's on DVD #2. ;o) What I can say is that anything that will rope-dub will also furl (within useable limits), with thread core, mono core, wire core, or bite tippet core. Also, all of your dubbing materials, synthetics, furs, fibers, peacock, etc., become materials for furls. One hint (which I've attached photos on)- chopped up dubbing, like that green lamb's wool, will rope and furl and make great fuzzy, soft, flexible caterpillars, as thick as you want them and very durable (and tapered if you want). If you rope-dub on light wire, you can shape the 'pillar into a curl or bend that's not on the hook itself, and it will still be very flexible to the fish for feel, and still dense and 'fleshy'. 2. Looks like DVD#2 will turn out almost like DVD#1- so many techniques, not enough space/time to do patterns and recipes. I'm saw that some DVD's for sale that were in much longer format that the one I did. I'm checking into it to make sure the quality is the same. Do you guys think a 2, 3, 4 hour DVD#2 (for the same price) would be agood idea, sine it can be indexed like #1? Then I could do all of the techhniques and show lots of rope-dub finishing techniques to graduate into the fly bodies. Securing the rope-bodies to the hook was a problem for one guy at the show, so I showed him about 4 ways to secure the fly to a slick hook (shiny plated saltwater hooks are very slick). Which brings up item #3: That is a great idea Don. I was wishing that there was more on the first DVD. Don't get me wrong, I loved it and learned a lot. I could sit and watch for a longer period of time. I especially like the way it is indexed. If you make the next DVD a few hours, I'm sure no one would be disapointed or tired of watching. 3. Dave Whitlock has a new DVD out about using Zap-a-gap on flies. He gave me one, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. He got with the Z-A-G company and made up little applicator bottles specially designed for fly-tiers. I have about 4 of them so far, and I'm thinking uf using it for anchoring flies that tend to slip backwards on the new very slick hooks. Don't have much problems with the old bronzed Mustads- rougher finish. Dave Whitlock uses the ZAG instead of whip finishing on the flies that I saw him tie. He also recomends taking a file and scoring a notch on the top side of a hook before tying on dumbell eyes for a Clouser Minnow and then using ZAG. 4. I've used Super-glue gel for my big deceiver flies to attach the eyes, but they seemed to have a smell long after the glue dried. So I seal all the heads and eyes with vinyl cement, which makes them more durable and seals in the SG smell. The vinyl cement has no detectable smell after two weeks. Do you have that smell after a couple of weeks with the ZAG? My lure-fishing experience tell me to give them a shot of WD-40 before fishing, to hide the human scents, but not to 'flavor' the fly (illegal in many areas). It works with Mackinaw trolling flies, so it should work with trout through marlin flies also. Oil-related smells permeate the water- so fish are used to smelling them. Problem is, some fly materials react to the oil, and then degrade. Don't know which ones they are until it's too late. Add that to materials reacting to the sun and salt, and many materials just don't hold up in the real world- especially holographic streamer fibers. DonO - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] book I have it and it is OK, not spectacular and I would not buy it again. You can get the same information on the internet free of charge. Of course, he only talks about furled flies and after you learn the technique, all the flies look the same, just different colors of furled thread tails. Don't know if this helps. Joyce On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, The Smiths aflyt...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone have any knowledge of a Paper back byKen Hanley titled Tying Furled Flies? Gary S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [VFB] Black Hackle
Tony, I've got one of Denny's black necks and really like it. Very thin quill, resulting in easily wrapped hackle. Hmmm. May have come off the same rooster that donated your saddle. g Again, no financial interest, just a satisfied customer. Here's his website: http://conranch.com/ a. I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle I had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad de...@conranch.com and had him send me a saddle. I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle. Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the feathers. Arkansas Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Black Hackle
I have, and LOVE working with Denny's hackles. They are oval in shape and are a dream to wrap. And, he sends you the chickabou skirts as well as the necks when you buy from him..a nice bargain. Joyce On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Tony, I've got one of Denny's black necks and really like it. Very thin quill, resulting in easily wrapped hackle. Hmmm. May have come off the same rooster that donated your saddle. g Again, no financial interest, just a satisfied customer. Here's his website: http://conranch.com/ a. I was in need of some Black Saddle hackle and the Black Chinese Saddle I had was not the best. Contacted Denny Conrad de...@conranch.com and had him send me a saddle. I got it the other day and I am real pleased with a natural Black saddle. Really nice long feathers. No financial interest, just satisfied with the feathers. Arkansas Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
