Re: [VFB] Sage Fly Rods

2013-02-13 Thread Tom Davenport
Hi, Chuck.  I thought I would chime in on this one.  In my years of fly fishing 
and rod building, I have had three favorite rods: A Powell 6-7 weight, A Sage 
XP and a Scott SAS (both 5 wt).The Powell was a factory rod, used when fishing 
in lakes where an 18 inch fish is average, the five weights I built myself, and 
 used for everyday fishing. All three  of them have been lost.  The Powell fell 
out of the back of my truck between a rest stop in Pocatello Idaho, and Idaho 
falls, on the road to Yellowstone Lake. I had opened the tailgate to get a 
drink out of the cooler, was distracted by a question my wife asked me, and 
forgot to put the tailgate back up.  The Scott ended up in the bottom of 
Strawberry Reservoir, in Utah, after falling out of a cheap rod holder attached 
to my kick boat.  I lost the Sage last year after fishing at a local community 
pond.  I laid it across the bed of my truck, got distracted (can't blame this 
one on my wife), and drove away. It rolled off, I assume, and was picked up by 
the jerk behind me who decided finders keepers . I realized my mistake and 
went back 10 minutes later and there was no sign of the rod or any piece of it. 
 I posted flyers around the pond, notified the local police, put ads in 
newspaper, all to no avail.  The rod has my name on it, so it wouldn't be hard 
for an honest person to track me down.  Maybe someday I will come across 
somebody fishing with it!

These were all expensive rods, costing over $300.  And they were the ones I 
fished with the most.

Anyway, were they worth the cost?  For me, yes, but I have to admit that a 
large part of the value was pride of ownership, which is the intangible that 
often drives people to purchase luxury items.  Also a desire to have the VERY 
best, even though the differences between it and something cheaper  are often 
negligible.  

But as far as performance goes, the Scott fit my casting style the best.  I 
tend to have a punchy cast, and need a rod with a good solid butt section that 
doesn't collapse when I power the rod.  Oh, I can slow down and cast softer 
rods (like a bamboo rod, or a Winston) just fine, but I prefer a punchy cast 
and faster rods. Also, I do a lot of high stick nymph fishing, and a faster, 
stiffer rod seems to give me a better connection to what is happening at the 
end of my line. 

I also own several rods I made from cheaper blanks, as well as a couple of St. 
Croix Pro Graphites and a St. Croix Legend Ultra, which cast a lot like the 
Sage XP.

So what ended up happening?  I replaced the Scott SAS with a factory Scott rod, 
the successor to the SAS.  Different name, but casts about the same.  (Scott 
has quit selling blanks, so that was my only option).  A buddy of mine found a 
factory Sage XP on ebay and bought it for me, but it is still sitting in his 
garage waiting for me to drop by with the $280.00 he paid for it.  He is a 
young entrepreneur who is running a multi-million dollar computer business he 
started, so to him it was pocket change.  Not to me.  But eventuality I will 
pick it up, in the meantime he fishes with it himself occasionally. I replaced 
the Powell with a 6 wt Cabella's rod that was on sale for half price.  It casts 
fine, and has the power to handle bigger fish, but I can't say I love it like I 
did the Powell.  (The Powell rod can't be replaced, that company has been 
bought and sold twice and the new  rods aren't the same.  Mine was built by the 
original owners, and was a sweet rod).

So, Were THEY REALLY THAT GOOD?   From a purely practicable point of view, 
probably not.  Your not going to catch six times as many fish because your 
fishing with a rod six times more expensive than the guy next to you.  But if 
you love the rod, if it performs exactly like you want it too, and you love the 
way it looks and feels in your hand, then its worth every penny.  This is a 
hobby, after all, and when did anyone worry about the cost of their hobby?  
From a practical standpoint I would be WAY ahead if I had never started 
building rods or tying flies.  Much cheaper in the long run to just go it and 
buy what you need, when you need it.  No money wasted on flights to a fly tying 
conclave.  No rod blanks, or rods that you built but really didn't need 
cluttering up your life. But it also wouldn't be as much fun!

Tom Davenport


On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.net 
wrote:

 Folks: I just downloaded and started watching a video called “Sage Fly Rods: 
 Made in America” and it takes you on a tour of their factory, which is on an 
 Island just off Seattle Washington, and tells about how great the fly rods 
 are etc. Are their flyrods REALLY “THAT GOOD”?? Are they REALLY worth the 
 prices they charge??  I have never casted one, but I have always told ppl 
 that I think I’d put my $100 St Croix “Premier” against any rod on the 
 market. And the Bamboo rod Tony built for me puts that St. Croix to shame. 
 But that is sorta 

Re: [VFB] Sage Fly Rods

2013-02-13 Thread Tom Davenport
True enough, Mike.  I bought the Sage XP because I loved the way it cast.  The 
kid I was talking about with the money also has a Sage One, their newest and 
most expensive rod, and I didn't like it as much as the XP, not because there 
was anything wrong with it, it just didn't feel the way I wanted it to.  He 
also has a long, willowy 9 foot 4 wt. Winston, not a fast rod by any means, but 
smooth as silk and surprisingly powerful.  And all of them are beautiful rods.  
Rods really have personalities, and sometimes the ones that are the most fun to 
cast aren't necessarily the best ones for certain kinds of fishing.  But it is 
just fun owning them. 

I am a junkie for beautiful reel seats.  I recently bought a five-weight kit 
from Temple Fork Outfitters, I haven't built it yet, but it came with a 
beautiful burl reel seat, and will be a showy rod when finished. I have no idea 
how it will cast or fish!

I'm a late comer to the sport compared to some of you, I have only been at it 
for 20 years.  I started out using a fiber glass Fenwick fly rod my father was 
given as a gift when he retired.  He knew nothing about fly fishing, and the 
rod was never used.  I had to take it in for a new tip before I could use it, 
and had a heck of a time casting it. Finally, in  frustration, I went with a 
friend who knew how to fly fish to our local Sportsman's Warehouse to get 
outfitted. I spent $70.00 for a 8 6 St. Croix ProGraphite, and a cheap $30 
reel with a $30 fly line and felt like I had busted the bank  with fishing 
extravagance.  Later the same friend got me started fly tying.  Five years, and 
three newer and more expensive rods later, I finally felt like I actually had a 
respectable cast.  Then one day I found the old fiberglass rod, and took it out 
to the back yard.  It cast just fine, in fact it was a cannon!  I think someone 
who has mastered the dynamics of casting a fly line could probably do 
respectably well with a broom stick.  But who wants to fish with a broom stick?

Tom Davenport

On Feb 10, 2013, at 2:52 AM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, it is a lot like cars.  You can still get there in an old Toyota like I 
 have but a nice new sports car is better and feels totally different.  I have 
 a couple of Sages and Winstons.  I also have one I made, a few others.  I 
 have caught fish on all of them.  But they do perform differently.
 
 Mike
 
 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chuck Alexander 
 chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote:
 Folks: I just downloaded and started watching a video called “Sage Fly Rods: 
 Made in America” and it takes you on a tour of their factory, which is on an 
 Island just off Seattle Washington, and tells about how great the fly rods 
 are etc. Are their flyrods REALLY “THAT GOOD”?? Are they REALLY worth the 
 prices they charge??  I have never casted one, but I have always told ppl 
 that I think I’d put my $100 St Croix “Premier” against any rod on the 
 market. And the Bamboo rod Tony built for me puts that St. Croix to shame. 
 But that is sorta comparing apples to oranges to me, the bamboo vs. the 
 Graphite rod, cause they are just totally different in their action etc. But 
 anyway, the cheapest Sage I have seen, I believe is about  $300 And that is 
 for their “entry level” rods. Are they REALLY worth the money or is it like a 
 lot of things and you are paying for that “name brand”?? Thanks, Chuck
  
 
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