Joyce: Yeah, looks like that’s all we can do now. My daughter’s friend works at 
the car dealership we are going to talk to next week and he told me tonight 
they had a LOT to choose from, and they also go to the auction twice a week, so 
if they don’t have anything we like, we can request that they BOLO for one. I’d 
still like to have a Jeep, or a pickup with 4WD like we were hunting when we 
bought the Cruiser, so maybe it will all work out for the good in the end 
because I have a cpl of GREAT places I could fish IF I had 4WD.  Gotta take 
back the 2014 Camaro SS the insurance company rented for us tomorrow, so that’s 
losing our only ride right now, so we have to find another car soon  as it’s 
ten miles to the nearest town LOL..The Camaro looks great and is VERY fast, but 
rides rough as a cob. I think they made them, and Corvettes for looks, not 
comfort. Chuck

From: Joyce M Westphal 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:24 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

Chuck, you are right..let it go and cut your losses.  Bummer that.  I think a 
nice new pickup would be a great choice considering how you love to fish.  Joyce

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chuck Alexander 
<chuckalexan...@centurylink.net> wrote:

  BTW. We did go to the garage and take off my brand new $200 Curt trailer 
hitch and plug and play wiring harness that was NOT on the car when I bought it 
LOL..Maybe I can get $100 for it, unless I buy another “Cruiser” to mount it 
to.  Chuck

  From: Chuck Alexander 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:32 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Joyce: Thanks. We do in fact have one nearby as I went to that same community 
college for welding back in the early ‘80’s, and if I had had the car paid off 
that’s exactly what I would have done. Problem now is the state and red tape. 
There is only three (and none are close by) state inspectors who can inspect 
the car and re-issue a  “totalled title” or whatever exactly it’s called, and I 
could take a $3300 settlement (but I still owe $4700), then I could have the 
car  back, then pay the college for all the parts (about $1000-1500 I suspect), 
let them repair it, but here it the “hitch”. 

  Then, after all that time, money, effort, there is no guarantee that the 
inspector will issue a new title and eve if he did, the state will NOT allow 
you to buy full coverage insurance on a previously “totalled” car, which my 
bank would still require as I’d still owe them the difference between the $3300 
and the $4700 payoff, and I talked to them and they won’t do it. But, they did 
tell me they are going to accept the $4300 the insurance company as “paid in 
full” and also give us a loan at a cheaper rate on another car. So, it looks 
like a triple “catch 22”, so I guess we’ll have to just “cut our loses” and get 
another car. maybe I can find a club cab pick em up truck I really did want 
when I bout the car.. That would be the only “silver lining” I think. Thanks 
for bringing this up though, because like I said, had it been paid off, it 
would be a great idea and somebody else here might find themselves in a similar 
situation sometime, Chuck


  From: Joyce M Westphal 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:42 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

  Chuck, regarding your deer smashed car, as new as it is, also check if you 
have a state college with an autobody class in your area. Very often students 
will rebuild your car if you pay parts and the small cost of the class tuition, 
 Better yet, you can see if they have a repair your own car class at the 
college/university.  This is what my sister and I did when the deer smashed her 
car. The cost for "senior" students here in a once a week after hours class was 
30 dollars tuition and a 1 time fee of  100 dollars for their state of the art 
paint booth. We have restored her 1959 IH truck and my 1982 Datsun diesel by 
doing it ourselves. The instructors were excellent and the cost was 
minimal..mostly time and, of course, the paint which is pricey.  It tooks us 
several years to do both vehicles (we did her  car, her truck and my truck 
first, and finished up repairing a bad bondo job on her current car fender that 
we recognized after she had her used car for several years. If you do it 
yourself, you will know it is done right. Buy it back if you can and fix it 
yourself if you can..it was a fun and rewarding expeirence.  Just a thought.

  On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Chuck, may I suggest that you find another body shop and try to get a bid 
for them to fix it with second hand parts. I did that with my VW and drove it 
for  7 more years and the cost was very minimal. I talked with my insurance 
company (State Farm) and they were very willing to do this rather than total 
the car. The cost was about 1/3 what the new parts and labor would have cost  
and the labor was minimal by comparison.  Don't know if this will help. Joyce

    On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Chuck Alexander 
<chuckalexan...@centurylink.net> wrote:

      I see. Sounds painful LOL.. I got bad news today as to the reality of how 
the insurance industry works in America. Our car's damage was really (besides 
the AC condenser and radiator rupturing) was no more that a "fender bender". 
Frame was NOT bent, no windshields busted out, even the air bags didn't have to 
be replaced and/or rest etc. But the insurance is "totalling" the car, and they 
are going to pay us a check that amounts to $400 LESS than what it will take to 
pay off what we owe on the car. It's got us both hot under the collar to say 
the least. Mad as hell is more like it. But, the insurance industry here has 
some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington as well as in the state 
governments, and so they are all in cahoots and one hand feeds the other in 
their world. I riced all the parts that the car would have had to replaced, 
added the $65-95 per hour labor together and it should have been at the 
extremely high end, no more than $2000-2200. They (the garage/body shop) wanted 
the insurance company to pay them $4400+.

      And in the state of Alabama, the insurance adjustors here work for the 
state apparently (This is all new to us as it’s the first claim like this we 
have EVER claimed in our lives.  But anyway, once the adjuster signs off as the 
car being "totalled", That's it, even if I could fix it myself I'd have to pay 
off the lien, then try and find out which salvage yard they are going to sell 
it to, go there and "buy" the car from them, and that might be $1000-3000. 
Then, I'd have to file (and pay enormous fees) for a "scrapyard repaired" new 
title on the car in order to get a title, tags and insurance.

      We have paid this company (Progressive Insurance Company) EVERY month for 
over ten YEARS, and they GLADLY take our premium money, but file a claim and 
then it’s like they think you are robbing them. I told the insurance guy (or 
asked him) "why the heck didn't you guys get a cpl more estimates, as you know 
that's was highway robbery  and he said that was their only "authorized garage" 
that they deal with in the area. I said "well if that's the case, you guys 
should shop around (like I'm going to do when I get another car) and find a 
place that would repair them cheaper than that because that price is a rip off 
and that it would save both them and their customers (policy holders) money" 
But that’s how it works here. The big guys get the gold mine and the little 
guys get the shaft LOL. Chuck

      -----Original Message----- From: Reuven Segal
      Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:46 AM
      To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

      6ft+

      Pure muscle.

      More often than not, people are injured when the roo goes through the
      windscreen and struggles to escape and kicks and scratches the
      occupants. The way they fight is that they stand on their tails and kick
      forward. I have seen on the news one guy who tried to feed a small one
      and ended up with dozens of stitches from a single kick. Lets see one of
      your deers do that!

      On 7/11/2014 1:33 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

        Reuven: That's normally how the big buck deer do it here. If my son had 
been going full speed that tin can of a car would have been history. A 
Kaangaroo might get hot by the car though, then turn around and kick the car as 
well LOL..How big do those things get (weight) anyway??  Chuck

        -----Original Message----- From: Reuven Segal
        Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:49 PM
        To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
        Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer

        A deer is nothing compared to totalling a car with a kangaroo. They are
        solid muscle, and will hop away after totalling a car.
        On 7/11/2014 6:23 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote:

          Same here: I had a brother in law killed like that, and my Daddy had 
a deer total his truck one morning on his way to work. Those things hit just 
right, and they can do MAJOR damage for sure, Chuck

          -----Original Message----- From: Allan Fish
          Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09 PM
          To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
          Subject: Re: [VFB] OFF TOPIC. My Baby got crashed into by a deer


            Thankfully, my son was shaken up, but not injured.



          Thank God.  We had a similar incident here in the county a few years 
ago
          that was fatal.  The buck's hind legs came through the windshield on 
the
          driver's side.  One hoof went through the young man's chest and 
through
          his heart.

          I'm really glad your son had the alertness to slow down.

          af





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