Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2019-01-29 Thread DonO
Mike Bliss, please contact me off list. Thanks. Don

From: Michael Bliss 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:19 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

I got it and waiting for some additional instructions.  I found one I want to 
try.   
Mike


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:46 AM, DonO  wrote:


  Rope-buggers,

  Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to everyone?

  DonO

  From: DonO 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

  Wooly-bugger swappers:
  As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry for 
the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.
  These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different kinds 
of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve different looks 
for different fishing.
  Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub 
method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something new 
for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.
  
  
  Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer on 
the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually move, 
so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing date will 
be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.
<-164674920514A3DCE2.png>  Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
  VIEW SLIDE SHOW DOWNLOAD ALL 

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<9611746251BC3195A.png> 


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Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes- reply to Pete

2017-10-23 Thread Pete Gramp
Thanks, Don - will have to try these ideas out tonight, when not working.
Thanks again! -Pete

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, DonO  wrote:

>
>
> *From:* Pete Gramp 
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:22 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> Hi, Don -
> I have a question about hackle on your rope dubbed buggers.  I've been
> tieing in the hackle by the tip at the curve of the hook bend, roping the
> dubbing but keeping the hackle out of the rope, rope-dubbing the dubbing,
> tieing off the rope-dubbed dubbing, then hackling palmered hackle (not
> roped) in the creases made by the rope-dubbed dubbing.  But after reading
> what you sent, it leads me to think that you actually rope the hackle
> itself... can you speak to that?
>
> *Pete, first, there only are a few ‘rules’ that make the
> ‘rope-dub’ what it is:*
> *1.  Anchor the dubbing front or back.  (Front for roping backwards, at
> the bend for roping forwards)*
> *2.  Stretch the thread out tight horizontally between the hook and
> bobbin, which is held tightly in the left hand to create tension. (for
> right-hand tiers) DO NOT hang the bobbin below the hook.*
> *3.  Spin the dubbing counterclockwise with fingertips of BOTH HANDS
> alternately without allowing back-spin, until the desired tightness is
> reached.*
>
> *4. After tight, don’t let go and wrap forward to create segments.*
> *Everything after this is infinite ways to rope-dub IF you keep
> these 4 points. The DVD has a short intro on the basic steps and movements,
> but the rest of the DVD (45 min) is applications and variations.  DVD #2
> could have easily been volumes 2 through 10.  Hope to be able to get back
> to DVD work in earnest after the house move soon. Posted a few Youtube
> videos just to get set up, but have a long way to go.*
>
> First, whether you did rope the hackle, second whether it is roped with
> the dubbing en masse, and third can you speak a little to how this method
> actually is, well, how it works?  I can't picture it happening - wouldn't
> you get a great deal of the hackle fibers trapped under the rope and
> sticking every which way, if you roped the hackle?
>
> *Everything you use as body-material and hackles is different,
> therefore experiment with each one & combination to see what you can
> achieve for looks, movement, color, feel, etc.  That’s what this whole
> exercise is about.  If you do only what you are used to and comfortable
> with, then it’s just a bugger-swap.  Look at your entire inventory of
> dubbings, chinelles, yarns, etc. and imagine combinations.  Use the
> palettes for new ideas. *
>
> or is that the point, to have them at variate lengths (due to being
> trapped under the rope) and to have the hackle fibers sticking at odd
> angles to the shank of the hook, all bushy-like?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Either way, my friend. The problem with normally palmered hackle is that
> a tooth can easily cut the stem if it’s sitting on top of body material.
> If you want to palmer the hackle (the palmered look), then don’t pack the
> segments too tight as you wrap, and the hackle will slide down in between
> the segments, getting protection from teeth.  Don’t forget that you can use
> more than one hackle in the palmer, or even rope the hackle(s) by itself
> for density and durability.  Roping two different hackles (color, length)
> is another way to experiment with variations.One other point, when you
> rope forward a hackled rope, wrap with the right hand and pinch-sweep the
> hackles rearward with your left, once for each segment wrap. Time the wrap
> so that it sets down before you let go of the hackles.  This will avoid a
> bunch of hackles getting wrapped down.  This is especially important with
> long hackles, like marabous and speys. But you can also rope the hackle
> right in with the dubbing, creating a bushy appearance, like for a
> wooly-worm or Griffith’s gnat.  This is the most bullet-proof, and wrapping
> both onto bit tippet material makes for great salt-water flies.  Again,
> pinch-sweep the hackles back as you wrap.With some dubbings (not
> chenilles), rope the dubbing tight to gather it to the threads, then let
> off and let the rope unwind.  It will stay pretty tight to the thread now.
> Then join the hackle and re-rope, WATCHING what happens as you spin (use
> the material clip- much faster).  Make your adjustments on the tight
> thread, compressing the rope as needed to thicken the hackles.  The
> actual fly takes just moments to tie, but experimenting with the final
> looks may take you all evening.  But each time you master a fly, you have

Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2017-10-18 Thread DonO
Jack,
I thought you got the Rope-dub DVD way back when.
DonO

From: Jack Harford 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 1:11 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

Hi Don 

I could use a little more insight into the rope dub technique too. 

Tight lines
Jack

On Oct 16, 2017 5:48 PM, "'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail" 
 wrote:

  Hi Do nO; 

  Been a little busy lately, I received the color palette, looks great!

  Wayneb




  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Rene Zillmann
 wrote:
Hi Don,

got it, try to figure out which exotic material I might use to dub, 
Penguin? - no I'm kidding, no p. around here.

Rene




On 10/14/2017 02:46 PM, DonO wrote:

Rope-buggers,

Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to everyone?

DonO

From: DonO 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

Wooly-bugger swappers:

As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry for 
the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.

These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different kinds 
of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve different looks 
for different fishing.
Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub 
method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something new 
for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.




Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer 
on the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually 
move, so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing date 
will be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.


Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
VIEW SLIDE SHOW DOWNLOAD ALL 

  This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDrive until 
1/12/2018. 
 


DonO



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Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2017-10-17 Thread Jack Harford
Hi Don

I could use a little more insight into the rope dub technique too.

Tight lines
Jack

On Oct 16, 2017 5:48 PM, "'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail" <
vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Do nO;
>
> Been a little busy lately, I received the color palette, looks great!
>
> Wayneb
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Rene Zillmann
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> got it, try to figure out which exotic material I might use to dub,
> Penguin? - no I'm kidding, no p. around here.
>
> Rene
>
> On 10/14/2017 02:46 PM, DonO wrote:
>
> Rope-buggers,
>
> Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to
> everyone?
>
> DonO
>
> *From:* DonO 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> Wooly-bugger swappers:
>
> As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry
> for the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.
>
> These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different
> kinds of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve
> different looks for different fishing.
> Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub
> method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something
> new for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.
>
> [image: OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA]
> [image: OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA]
>
> Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer
> on the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually
> move, so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing
> date will be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.
>
>
> [image: View album]
> 
> Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
> 
> VIEW SLIDE SHOW
> 
>  DOWNLOAD
> ALL
> 
> This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDrive until 1/12/2018.
> [image: View album]
> 
>
>
> DonO
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2017-10-16 Thread 'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail
Hi Do nO;
Been a little busy lately, I received the color palette, looks great!
Wayneb


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  On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Rene Zillmann 
wrote:
Hi Don,
 
got it, try to figure out which exotic material I might use to dub, Penguin? - 
no I'm kidding, no p. around here.
 
Rene
 
 
 On 10/14/2017 02:46 PM, DonO wrote:
  
 
  Rope-buggers,   Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get 
through to everyone?   DonO      From: DonO  Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 
8:25 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  Subject: [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture 
Palettes     Wooly-bugger swappers:       As I promised, here’s some 
choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry for the delay, home staging and 
visiting is a real routine-buster.       These are samples showing how 
rope-dubbing can be used with different kinds of body materials, hackles, 
synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve different looks for different fishing.   Pick 
one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub method.   A 
lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something new for your 
box. Ask for materials  if you can’t identify them.         Hang on to 
your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer on the house 
and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually move, so won’t 
know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing date will be Jan 
8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.        
|   |   Rope-dub bugger-swap samples  
| VIEW SLIDE SHOW | DOWNLOAD ALL |

  This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDrive until 1/12/2018.   |
|  |   |   |   |   |

     DonO          
 
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Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes- reply to Pete

2017-10-15 Thread DonO


From: Pete Gramp 
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:22 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

Hi, Don - 
I have a question about hackle on your rope dubbed buggers.  I've been tieing 
in the hackle by the tip at the curve of the hook bend, roping the dubbing but 
keeping the hackle out of the rope, rope-dubbing the dubbing, tieing off the 
rope-dubbed dubbing, then hackling palmered hackle (not roped) in the creases 
made by the rope-dubbed dubbing.  But after reading what you sent, it leads me 
to think that you actually rope the hackle itself... can you speak to that?  

Pete, first, there only are a few ‘rules’ that make the ‘rope-dub’ what 
it is:
1.  Anchor the dubbing front or back.  (Front for roping backwards, at the bend 
for roping forwards)
2.  Stretch the thread out tight horizontally between the hook and bobbin, 
which is held tightly in the left hand to create tension. (for right-hand 
tiers) DO NOT hang the bobbin below the hook.
3.  Spin the dubbing counterclockwise with fingertips of BOTH HANDS alternately 
without allowing back-spin, until the desired tightness is reached.
4. After tight, don’t let go and wrap forward to create segments.

Everything after this is infinite ways to rope-dub IF you keep these 4 
points. The DVD has a short intro on the basic steps and movements, but the 
rest of the DVD (45 min) is applications and variations.  DVD #2 could have 
easily been volumes 2 through 10.  Hope to be able to get back to DVD work in 
earnest after the house move soon. Posted a few Youtube videos just to get set 
up, but have a long way to go.

First, whether you did rope the hackle, second whether it is roped with the 
dubbing en masse, and third can you speak a little to how this method actually 
is, well, how it works?  I can't picture it happening - wouldn't you get a 
great deal of the hackle fibers trapped under the rope and sticking every which 
way, if you roped the hackle?  

Everything you use as body-material and hackles is different, therefore 
experiment with each one & combination to see what you can achieve for looks, 
movement, color, feel, etc.  That’s what this whole exercise is about.  If you 
do only what you are used to and comfortable with, then it’s just a 
bugger-swap.  Look at your entire inventory of dubbings, chinelles, yarns, etc. 
and imagine combinations.  Use the palettes for new ideas. 

or is that the point, to have them at variate lengths (due to being trapped 
under the rope) and to have the hackle fibers sticking at odd angles to the 
shank of the hook, all bushy-like?  

Either way, my friend. The problem with normally palmered hackle is 
that a tooth can easily cut the stem if it’s sitting on top of body material.  
If you want to palmer the hackle (the palmered look), then don’t pack the 
segments too tight as you wrap, and the hackle will slide down in between the 
segments, getting protection from teeth.  Don’t forget that you can use more 
than one hackle in the palmer, or even rope the hackle(s) by itself for density 
and durability.  Roping two different hackles (color, length) is another way to 
experiment with variations.

One other point, when you rope forward a hackled rope, wrap with the right 
hand and pinch-sweep the hackles rearward with your left, once for each segment 
wrap. Time the wrap so that it sets down before you let go of the hackles.  
This will avoid a bunch of hackles getting wrapped down.  This is especially 
important with long hackles, like marabous and speys. 

But you can also rope the hackle right in with the dubbing, creating a 
bushy appearance, like for a wooly-worm or Griffith’s gnat.  This is the most 
bullet-proof, and wrapping both onto bit tippet material makes for great 
salt-water flies.  Again, pinch-sweep the hackles back as you wrap.

With some dubbings (not chenilles), rope the dubbing tight to gather it to 
the threads, then let off and let the rope unwind.  It will stay pretty tight 
to the thread now.  Then join the hackle and re-rope, WATCHING what happens as 
you spin (use the material clip- much faster).  Make your adjustments on the 
tight thread, compressing the rope as needed to thicken the hackles.  

The actual fly takes just moments to tie, but experimenting with the final 
looks may take you all evening.  But each time you master a fly, you have seen 
many versions in getting there, and begin to build your application experience. 
 Once you master a body and hackle, modifications of that approach are easy.  
Try ladder-lace cut down the middle.  Make awesome shiny hackles.  

I’ve been using the technique for over 30 years and teaching it for 20 years, 
and am still constantly experimenting with new dubbings and hackles.  It’s a 
large part of my tying along with the realistics and giant flies.

I suppose with flowing spey hackle, it isn't as noticeabl

Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2017-10-15 Thread Pete Gramp
Hi, Don -
I have a question about hackle on your rope dubbed buggers.  I've been
tieing in the hackle by the tip at the curve of the hook bend, roping the
dubbing but keeping the hackle out of the rope, rope-dubbing the dubbing,
tieing off the rope-dubbed dubbing, then hackling palmered hackle (not
roped) in the creases made by the rope-dubbed dubbing.  But after reading
what you sent, it leads me to think that you actually rope the hackle
itself... can you speak to that?  First, whether you did rope the hackle,
second whether it is roped with the dubbing en masse, and third can you
speak a little to how this method actually is, well, how it works?  I can't
picture it happening - wouldn't you get a great deal of the hackle fibers
trapped under the rope and sticking every which way, if you roped the
hackle?  or is that the point, to have them at variate lengths (due to
being trapped under the rope) and to have the hackle fibers sticking at odd
angles to the shank of the hook, all bushy-like?  I suppose with flowing
spey hackle, it isn't as noticeable as with, say, dry fly hackle, but I'm
intrigued with this possibility for both instances (I realize we were
speaking of wooly buggers, which aren't exactly in the "dry fly" realm...
by any stretch... but I am asking more as technique than strictly for the
buggers).
Thanks, Don!
Keep on tyin'
-Pete

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:06 AM, DonO  wrote:

> Mike and others,
>
> If you find one you like and can’t figure out the materials from enlarging
> the photo, tell me which fly you are looking at and I will post the
> recipe.  Then you can change colors to whatever you like.
> The important thing is to try to rope dub a new material, even if it is a
> cactus chenille or old chenille with new flash component.  Or you can
> submit a design with sets of different colors.  No rules, just fun and
> experimentation.
>
> I really like the looks of a spey feather (1 or more) roped in with
> dubbing or a chenille.  Really adds life to the design.  Black bugger- row
> 1 fly 1.  That would be a great steel-head fly in bright colors.
>
> I might do a few versions of that one for my swap-fly.
>
> DonO
>
> *From:* Michael Bliss 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:19 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> I got it and waiting for some additional instructions.  I found one I want
> to try.
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:46 AM, DonO  wrote:
>
> Rope-buggers,
>
> Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to
> everyone?
>
> DonO
>
> *From:* DonO 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> Wooly-bugger swappers:
>
> As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry
> for the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.
>
> These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different
> kinds of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve
> different looks for different fishing.
> Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub
> method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something
> new for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.
>
> 
> 
>
> Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer
> on the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually
> move, so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing
> date will be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.
>
>
> <-164674920514A3DCE2.png>
> <https://onedrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=84ad0e793695da9d&page=play&resid=84AD0E793695DA9D!549&parId=84AD0E793695DA9D!548&type=1&Bsrc=Photomail&Bpub=SDX.Photos&authkey=!AIcQzY-7N5tUIUk>
> Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
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> This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDri

Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2017-10-14 Thread DonO
Mike and others,

If you find one you like and can’t figure out the materials from enlarging the 
photo, tell me which fly you are looking at and I will post the recipe.  Then 
you can change colors to whatever you like.

The important thing is to try to rope dub a new material, even if it is a 
cactus chenille or old chenille with new flash component.  Or you can submit a 
design with sets of different colors.  No rules, just fun and experimentation. 

I really like the looks of a spey feather (1 or more) roped in with dubbing or 
a chenille.  Really adds life to the design.  Black bugger- row 1 fly 1.  That 
would be a great steel-head fly in bright colors.  

I might do a few versions of that one for my swap-fly.  

DonO

From: Michael Bliss 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:19 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

I got it and waiting for some additional instructions.  I found one I want to 
try.   
Mike


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:46 AM, DonO  wrote:


  Rope-buggers,

  Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to everyone?

  DonO

  From: DonO 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

  Wooly-bugger swappers:
  As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry for 
the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.
  These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different kinds 
of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve different looks 
for different fishing.
  Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub 
method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something new 
for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.
  
  
  Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer on 
the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually move, 
so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing date will 
be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.
<-164674920514A3DCE2.png>  Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
  VIEW SLIDE SHOW DOWNLOAD ALL 

This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDrive until 
1/12/2018. 
<9611746251BC3195A.png> 


  DonO

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Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

2017-10-14 Thread Michael Bliss
I got it and waiting for some additional instructions.  I found one I want to 
try.  
Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:46 AM, DonO  wrote:
> 
> Rope-buggers,
>  
> Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to everyone?
>  
> DonO
>  
> From: DonO
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>  
> Wooly-bugger swappers:
>  
> As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry for 
> the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.
>  
> These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different kinds 
> of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve different looks 
> for different fishing.
> Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub 
> method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something 
> new for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.
>  
> 
> 
>  
> Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer on 
> the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually 
> move, so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing 
> date will be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.
>  
>  
> <-164674920514A3DCE2.png> 
> Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
> VIEW SLIDE SHOW   DOWNLOAD ALL
> This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDrive until 1/12/2018.
> <9611746251BC3195A.png>
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