RE: [VFB] Nor Vise help

2016-05-23 Thread J Balmer 
As far as the bobbin is concerned, I’ve used both the vise & a cordless drill, 
I generally use mono or white thread & wrapping either twice on the bobbin arm 
works best. I’ve been using Don Ordes method of dubbing since I first  tried 
it. Use your favorite patterns, practice makes perfect.

 

J

 

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Hi All;

Received and installed standard jaws on my Nor vise, big difference. Studied 
Norm's videos but, I'm still struggling to use it.

A couple questions:

How do you figure out when the bobbin is set up correctly?

Tried using the vise to load bobbins, seemed very difficult, cordless drill 
works ok.

When touch dubbing, how long does it take for the thread to grab the dubbing?

Any suggestions on a pattern to master some techniques?

Anyone use the dubbing block, if so opinions?

Thanks in advance;

Wayneb

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Re: [VFB] Nor Vise help

2016-05-18 Thread Joyce M Westphal 
You will conquer and love it, given time. Just don't be afraid to play with
the system. further questions, email me at my home address. Joyce

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:30 PM, 'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail <
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> Thanks Joyce, lots of great tips!
>
> sounds like it takes a little while to get a working skill set for the Nor
> vise system.
>
> Wayne
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> Some hints: as to the bobbin, be sure that you wrap the thread around the
> one leg of the bobbin and then through the spigot. It will not work
> correctly if this is not done.  As you pull on the thread, it should give
> back pressure as you pull it out. If it doesn't, simply take the spool out
> of the legs (put a hackle plier on the end so you don't have to rethread
> )turn the spool around and put it back in the legs of the bobbin. Be sure
> not to use metal bobbin threader as that will nick and make rough the
> inside of your bobbin spigot. Instead, go to your nearest Walmart or
> similar store and in the dental section you will see some blue dental floss
> threaders, they look like a loop with about a 1.5 inch double end sticking
> out of it. When you get that home, take a BIC or similar lighter, run that
> straight end quickly through the fire so that it will make a very tiny
> ball. That smooths the ends of that dental threader so it will be very
> soft. This trick was taught to me by Faruk Ekich. Works great. His is the
> other bobbin that I use and love as well.
>
>
> I use my cordless drill to wrap the bobbins. I put a tiny, 1/4 inch piece
> of Scotch tape on the end of the thread  and  hook it to the bobbin to hold
> the thread in place when I start to wind, then put the winder end in my
> electric drill. I put the thread in a tall  relatively heavy cup, such as a
> tall coffee mug/ This keeps the thread from jumping all over. Then I start
> the drill and after the first wind is done, I use my left hand to put a bit
> of pressure on the thread as I wind so more will fit on and I have better
> bobbin tension.
>
> When I touch dub, I often put a touch of wax next to the eye of the hook,
> if the dubbing is very thick or recalcitrant. If not, I pull out a few
> hairs of the dubbing, holding the ball in my right hand (I'm right handed,
> so reverse if this is not true of you). I touch those few hairs to the
> thread and pinch tight to the thread with my right hand while spinning the
> vise a turn or two.  You can even catch the hairs between the thread and
> the side of the place just behind the eye of the hook.  The hairs catch and
> you can then  spin out the rest of the dubbing, thick or thin as you
> desire.
>
> I have, but don't use a dubbing block. With this vise I do a dubbing loop
> right on the hook. To do this, you make the loop for the dubbing at the
> eye,, or back of the hook.  Then, holding the loop in your right hand, but
> below the hook, just spin the vise holding the loop  or dubbing hook in
> your hand with the winding thread in line with that same dubbing loop, thus
> making the loop as thick or thin as you want. I usually load about 1/2 inch
> of dubbing with some flash right in that dubbing, close the leg, hold the
> end of the loop with the tying thread alongside it  and spin away.
>
> I hate to waste thread, so when finishing the fly, I don't pull the thread
> out until it stops. Instead of hanging the bobbin on the post button, I
> simply put a hackle pliers on the end of the thread before I cut it off
> from the fly.  Saves lots of thread.
>
> Further questions, just email me. I don't think I could tie with a regular
> vise any more. Using this vise, know that it is a learning situation. Each
> time you tie a fly, think, how can I make use of the rotary part of the
> vise. You will be amazed at how even your ribbing can be, or not be if you
> like it wider at the thorax. You will have thread control that is very
> smooth. But again, remember, 100 times is considered the learning curve of
> any new experience.  Hope this helps. Joyce
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:22 AM, 'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail <
> vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All;
>>
>> Received and installed standard jaws on my Nor vise, big difference.
>> Studied Norm's videos but, I'm still struggling to use it.
>>
>> A couple questions:
>>
>> How do you figure out when the bobbin is set up correctly?
>>
&

Re: [VFB] Nor Vise help

2016-05-18 Thread 'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail 
Thanks Joyce,   lots of great tips!

sounds like it takes a little while to get a working skill set for the Nor vise 
system.

Wayne

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Re: [VFB] Nor Vise help

2016-05-18 Thread Joyce M Westphal 
Some hints: as to the bobbin, be sure that you wrap the thread around the
one leg of the bobbin and then through the spigot. It will not work
correctly if this is not done.  As you pull on the thread, it should give
back pressure as you pull it out. If it doesn't, simply take the spool out
of the legs (put a hackle plier on the end so you don't have to rethread
)turn the spool around and put it back in the legs of the bobbin. Be sure
not to use metal bobbin threader as that will nick and make rough the
inside of your bobbin spigot. Instead, go to your nearest Walmart or
similar store and in the dental section you will see some blue dental floss
threaders, they look like a loop with about a 1.5 inch double end sticking
out of it. When you get that home, take a BIC or similar lighter, run that
straight end quickly through the fire so that it will make a very tiny
ball. That smooths the ends of that dental threader so it will be very
soft. This trick was taught to me by Faruk Ekich. Works great. His is the
other bobbin that I use and love as well.


I use my cordless drill to wrap the bobbins. I put a tiny, 1/4 inch piece
of Scotch tape on the end of the thread  and  hook it to the bobbin to hold
the thread in place when I start to wind, then put the winder end in my
electric drill. I put the thread in a tall  relatively heavy cup, such as a
tall coffee mug/ This keeps the thread from jumping all over. Then I start
the drill and after the first wind is done, I use my left hand to put a bit
of pressure on the thread as I wind so more will fit on and I have better
bobbin tension.

When I touch dub, I often put a touch of wax next to the eye of the hook,
if the dubbing is very thick or recalcitrant. If not, I pull out a few
hairs of the dubbing, holding the ball in my right hand (I'm right handed,
so reverse if this is not true of you). I touch those few hairs to the
thread and pinch tight to the thread with my right hand while spinning the
vise a turn or two.  You can even catch the hairs between the thread and
the side of the place just behind the eye of the hook.  The hairs catch and
you can then  spin out the rest of the dubbing, thick or thin as you
desire.

I have, but don't use a dubbing block. With this vise I do a dubbing loop
right on the hook. To do this, you make the loop for the dubbing at the
eye,, or back of the hook.  Then, holding the loop in your right hand, but
below the hook, just spin the vise holding the loop  or dubbing hook in
your hand with the winding thread in line with that same dubbing loop, thus
making the loop as thick or thin as you want. I usually load about 1/2 inch
of dubbing with some flash right in that dubbing, close the leg, hold the
end of the loop with the tying thread alongside it  and spin away.

I hate to waste thread, so when finishing the fly, I don't pull the thread
out until it stops. Instead of hanging the bobbin on the post button, I
simply put a hackle pliers on the end of the thread before I cut it off
from the fly.  Saves lots of thread.

Further questions, just email me. I don't think I could tie with a regular
vise any more. Using this vise, know that it is a learning situation. Each
time you tie a fly, think, how can I make use of the rotary part of the
vise. You will be amazed at how even your ribbing can be, or not be if you
like it wider at the thorax. You will have thread control that is very
smooth. But again, remember, 100 times is considered the learning curve of
any new experience.  Hope this helps. Joyce

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:22 AM, 'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail <
vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi All;
>
> Received and installed standard jaws on my Nor vise, big difference.
> Studied Norm's videos but, I'm still struggling to use it.
>
> A couple questions:
>
> How do you figure out when the bobbin is set up correctly?
>
> Tried using the vise to load bobbins, seemed very difficult, cordless
> drill works ok.
>
> When touch dubbing, how long does it take for the thread to grab the
> dubbing?
>
> Any suggestions on a pattern to master some techniques?
>
> Anyone use the dubbing block, if so opinions?
>
> Thanks in advance;
>
> Wayneb
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
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