Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Make good videos and they will come. nathan miller www.bicycle-sidewalk.com --- sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think for many people, tossing videos up all over the place is just a way to get started. the value may come when you as a content creator find your voice/style/focus and start to get scattered subscribers or just awareness and attention which can gradually build up over a year or 2. in other words, value doesnt always have immediacy attached to it. so using the youtube etc despite bad terms can still be ok for many creators. others will never want to give away any content with undesirable terms. as a rule of thumb, i agree with jay... but surely there are many many videos that you can put out there that you can let go of. sull On 5/17/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just trying to see what people think the value of a YouTube viewer or subscriber is versus someone who has viewed and subscribed at your vlog. Why give Youtube so much power? as we know in the web 2.0 world, the barrier to entry is a server. jay BUT you are giving YouTube MUCH power by uploading a video to their site and thus, agreeing to (quote for YouTube TOS): However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. I'm 99.99% sure MSM has NOT agreed to these TOS and negotiated their own partner TOS, so why have vloggers? Again, leads me to the questions: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? -Frank -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] solicitations from yahoo group members?
does this yahoo group have a policy regarding group members making solicitations using email addresses collected from the seeds of change group? i received one from Adrianna Cooper about buying lipstick. i believe i speak for more than just myself in preferring not to receive email solicitations from other members of the seeds of change group. thanks, eric.
[videoblogging] Re: solicitations from yahoo group members?
Hi Eric, It seems that a spammer/troll is harvesting e-mail names from the people in the Videoblogging group. Although some of us have been known to wear lipstick, this would not be the appropriate place to discuss or try to sell it. Many folks have a public email address to catch spam volume but that doesn't seem to help when the bone stupid try to attract attention with medications that anatomically speaking, we can't use. I share your pain, Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does this yahoo group have a policy regarding group members making solicitations using email addresses collected from the seeds of change group? i received one from Adrianna Cooper about buying lipstick. i believe i speak for more than just myself in preferring not to receive email solicitations from other members of the seeds of change group. thanks, eric.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: solicitations from yahoo group members?
I've a bridge for sale in New Jersey if anyone's interested. Sorry. :) Jan On 5/18/07, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eric, It seems that a spammer/troll is harvesting e-mail names from the people in the Videoblogging group. Although some of us have been known to wear lipstick, this would not be the appropriate place to discuss or try to sell it. Many folks have a public email address to catch spam volume but that doesn't seem to help when the bone stupid try to attract attention with medications that anatomically speaking, we can't use. I share your pain, Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does this yahoo group have a policy regarding group members making solicitations using email addresses collected from the seeds of change group? i received one from Adrianna Cooper about buying lipstick. i believe i speak for more than just myself in preferring not to receive email solicitations from other members of the seeds of change group. thanks, eric. Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv http://twitter.com/fauxpress aim=janofsound air=862.221.5280
Re: [videoblogging] solicitations from yahoo group members?
does this yahoo group have a policy regarding group members making solicitations using email addresses collected from the seeds of change group? i received one from Adrianna Cooper about buying lipstick. i believe i speak for more than just myself in preferring not to receive email solicitations from other members of the seeds of change group. hey Eric-- As Gena said, anytime we use an email address online, spam bots are sure to grab it and put you on lists. nothing we can do about this. BUT if a member of this group is emailing you with spam...this is totally unacceptable. Please send me the email. The member will be banned ASAP. Jay Moderator -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: solicitations from yahoo group members?
What is te seeds of change group and what does that have to do with the videoblogging group? Confused! Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does this yahoo group have a policy regarding group members making solicitations using email addresses collected from the seeds of change group? i received one from Adrianna Cooper about buying lipstick. i believe i speak for more than just myself in preferring not to receive email solicitations from other members of the seeds of change group. thanks, eric.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Why Joost?
I thought that was a great article. Ive always been bemused by the quantity of hosting directory etc sites that have cropped up, and have been more than a little disrespectful to the idea of 'networks'. Theres probably room for some to succeed I suppose, I wouldnt care to guess which will, or whether things will look different once mainstream networks etc really embrace the net instead of resisting change or staying stuck in their respective boxes. I have tended to assume that there would be a possibility for fairly specialist networks/channels to succeed, and Im fairly bemused as to why we havent seen more of this yet. I suppose at this stage many of the players dont want to impose any limits on what they are seen to be. Whatever the reasons, as a viewer I dont feel that web 2 net video sites have done an amazing job yet, theres loads of room for improvement, in terms of me finding the content I want. Bear with me on this point, there are many fine and useful features that various sites provide, but I am simply suggesting that in one key way the old television model is still superior: If I want to watch history programs, flicking to a TV station like 'UK History' seems like a safe bet. The same cannot be said for the experience of searching for net video. Of course in many ways the net experience is superior, things like tags are great. But Ive yet to find a directory/channel/guide experience that really works. See for example I know theres a lot of green, sustainable etc vlogs around, and some will be in various directories or hosting services, as well as having their won sites. But I dont get a sense that theres one place I can goto to experience them together, spot new relevant ones, and where there is a real thriving community communicating in that space also. Fragmentation can be wonderful but Id sure like to see what a sites united around a specific theme could bring to the scene. Theres a few examples, but not the amount I was expecting. Same goes for features and technology. Whilst several areas of vlogging offer the ability for different sites,services software to work together, things are far from perfect. There are now tons of services which have interesting features, but cant pick and choose the best from all and use it in one place. People put in a lot of effort to do all they can with interoperability, but still we see lots of video services out there that have one or to interesting features, but are otherwise off in their own walled garden, trying to build a community of creators, viewers and commenters from scratch. Shame, as it seems relatively easy for people to insert themselves as a middleman/service which adds little extra value, and yet it so much harder to do it and actually add something really useful to the experience that all may benefit from. Well I dont feel like Ive found the right words to explain myself properly, maybe it makes some sense, maybe Im full of carp. Sometims people used to talk about myspace in terms of big social networking sites that had gone before them, and how quickly those went out of fashion lost users, with people wodering if this would happen to youtube one day. I usually expect history to repeat itself, but has it happened to myspace yet? I am really interested to see what happens in the future, thats for sure, wheras my interst in Joost is about zero now. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all your feedback, I posted the article here: http://www.dembot.com/013652.html --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Drew andrew@ wrote: I'm working on an article I hope to publish tomorrow on my weblog about aggregators like Joost and I was hoping to get some feedback from anyone who has any expectations for Joost. I will not be surprised if Joost winds up becoming a staple video distribution point for many, but as of now, I can not see it. We have seen dozens of these roll out similarly with money and popular founders yet they all seem to offer the same thing. And most are not catching any sparks. Isn't Joost the new Brightcove and wasn't Brightcove the new Akimbo which was the new TiVo? I dont mean to rag on any companies here, Im just wondering why the party would suddenly be over at Joost. You can buy relationships to match advertisers and content partners but where will the audience come from? Any ideas?
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). Still this particular example illustrates in my mind how much different shows being chucked together can create a strange impression. My initial reaction to podtechs green stuff has always been some internal revulsion and cynicism about greenwashing, due to the number of pictures of cars I am presented with. Well it seems that this is down to just one of the four shows that make up their 'clean tech' channel/whatever, yet it dominates the cover that I shoudlnt be judging the book by, but do. Anyway I was just using that as an example of the effects of themed shows being put together in some way, Im not trying to drag you into a discussion about that stuff in particular unless you want one of course ;) Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well put! So following on from what I was just waffling about, do you feel there are decent places to go to reach out to your potential audience, or do the directories other video hosting sites etc all seem to offer a similar, fairly generic and unfocussed, sense of community/audience? On the otherhand I know in the past quite a lot of people had problems working out what pidgeon hole they might fit into, or making assumptions about who the target audience is, what genre theirvlog is, etc. Its easier for themed shows of course, and so also easier for them to harness the traditional models of marketing, netowrking, etc? I dunno, I guess 'group' functions on the likes of youtube are part of the surrent solution, but I still find nearly everything and everyone quite randomly, perhaps I would like a structure imposed that cannot be done, I dunno, oh microcommunities where are ye? I mean do most peoples blogs get enough comments for the individual sites to feel like communities? Doesnt feel that way to me, generally, but maybe my expectations are out of whack. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Well put! So following on from what I was just waffling about, do you feel there are decent places to go to reach out to your potential audience, or do the directories other video hosting sites etc all seem to offer a similar, fairly generic and unfocussed, sense of community/audience? On the otherhand I know in the past quite a lot of people had problems working out what pidgeon hole they might fit into, or making assumptions about who the target audience is, what genre theirvlog is, etc. Its easier for themed shows of course, and so also easier for them to harness the traditional models of marketing, netowrking, etc? I dunno, I guess 'group' functions on the likes of youtube are part of the surrent solution, but I still find nearly everything and everyone quite randomly, perhaps I would like a structure imposed that cannot be done, I dunno, oh microcommunities where are ye? I mean do most peoples blogs get enough comments for the individual sites to feel like communities? Doesnt feel that way to me, generally, but maybe my expectations are out of whack. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) What is the value of a YouTube viewer and subscriber . 2) For those vloggers who have posted to YouTube, what value have you seen? here's an example. we posted a video on our site: http://ryanishungry.com/2007/04/22/wendy-tremayne-and-mikey-sklar-green-pioneers/ Mikey (who's featured in the video) uploaded it to Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xO6YZa2ZB44 About 5,000 people watched the video on our site. About 50,000 people watched it through Youtube. (we must have been put on the front page) Is there a difference? I guess not really. We certainly got more relevant comments on our own site. Like Quirk says, its important to reach out beyond the communities we already know. I think its important to have your own site so you control your archives and context in which to watch your videos. But go ahead and put them other places and see how it works out. For Youtube, I find that the most regularly popular ones are more just people talking into webcams. people have discussions, arguments, joking etc. its extremely social. So again its not an either or for me... what i appreciate is when Mikey and Wendy (in the video) send it to all their friends because we helped tell their story. Word starts spreading and information is exchanged. Wendy is now here at Maker's Faire(http://makerfaire.com/) and said she had 5 people come up to her to find out about her project in NM. That's the connection I seek. with any creator...i think its important to make stuff with the audience you want to reach in mind. Just throwing it on youtube and expecting something to have effect just seems harmless at best. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
oh Jay, the Mighty Boosh is my favourite! it's on constant DVD in my house... :) On 5/18/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] trine.blogs.com twitter.com/trine
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
Fun clip, I wish British TV looked like that, we are good at making weird funny TV over here but the usual crap still dominates the schedules, usually have to look quite hard to find gems. And now thanks to youtube I saw someone else really drinking Baileys from a shoe, oh joy! Im glad your deal with podtech has been good, it sounded fine at the time, and I am not really trying to suggest that their treatment of green stuff is some big issue. It was just a tiny personal observation that I was pondering on with the whole directory/community etc topic, networks, unintended side-effects and suchlike. Meanwhile I just popped over to ourmedia and noticed they've got channels stuff working now, JD Laisica said on May 16th You'll be seeing some major enhancements to Ourmedia in the days ahead, courtesy of Markus Sandy and the Outhink development team. Most significantly, we'll be rolling out a channels capability that will enable any person or organization to create a personal broadcasting network. Stay tuned for details Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay
[videoblogging] Re: iMovie Interlacing...
I am having the same interlacing problem in i-movie when I take anything past 320x240. My raw footage is good, but no matter how I render (or share) the video in 480x360 or larger, I get the same streaking lines with movement. Haven't been able to figure anything out yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Fisboman www.jetpac.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also having interlacing problems with iMovie. Anybody know what the deal is? Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv my moste recent videos on joshleo.com and wanderingwestmichigan.com were shot with this camera i am having some interlacing issues with imovie at the time being but if you edit on vegas, final cut, whatever you should come up with great results! \ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: iMovie Interlacing...
Thanks for the tip. I am checking out the JES site now and looks like it might help. Fisboman --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well the issue is that it converts HD footage with the apple intermediate codec instead of editing raw HDV footage so you have to deinterlace afterwords if you edit with imovie. I use JES deinterlace and it works pretty good... On 5/16/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also having interlacing problems with iMovie. Anybody know what the deal is? Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv my moste recent videos on joshleo.com and wanderingwestmichigan.com were shot with this camera i am having some interlacing issues with imovie at the time being but if you edit on vegas, final cut, whatever you should come up with great results! \ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Youtube Partner Program
OH MY GOD! That was hilarious...I watched the Old Gregg Finalehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8eWOLd_q8NR=1too Made my friday evening. No need for happy hour now. Thanks! v.njoroge.ndonye On 5/18/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to finish my waffle, I hadnt noticed that podtech have sectioned things more clearly than when I last looked, so yours and other's envirogreensustain vids are in a 'clean tech' section. But I dont get a sense of there being a community of viewers at podtech, due to lack of comments or other features that would enable such things (or I just cant find them). i cant speak for how Podtech markets their site. seems to me like they are learning. and yes, clean tech can mean lots of things. as with anything, all i can do is show what i know to be true. with Ryanishungry.com, we were able to license our videos to Podtech for one year. we retain ownership and can post the videos to our own site throughout the year. they've been good about the whole situation. its not a huge amount of money...but its guaranteed money for us...and they get regular content that's much cheaper than if they hired their own team. for some completely different... i wish American TV could look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPWDglTboI Jay -- regards, vincent.njoroge.ndonye [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: INTRO: Sunny
Hi Sunny...I thought for a second it was Sunny from Veoh! Welcome, and there is a great event in LA in June...June 8 and 9. PixelOdeon. You can connect with a lot of people there then. Also, send me an email, and I will help you get in the loop. Daniel
[videoblogging] email solicitations screw up
re: the email i sent earlier today. i sent it to the wrong yahoo group. someone from the yahoo gardening group was asking me to buy organic lipstick. which i don't wear. ( though there was that one time in the late 80s... ) thx, eric.
[videoblogging] Join Team scriggity
I am seeking more folks to add into the scriggity fold. The host issue is resolving itself and I'd like to collaborate with some more people to keep it fun and spread the love. I'm used to working with people long distance, so if you're passionate, you can be on Neptune as long as you got wifi ;) Drop me a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you're interested. _drew http://www.scriggity.com
