Re: [videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Irina]

i'm really enjoying this thread.

so i watched the show w/o any context and was like "meh but cute"

then i saw ppl werent totally loving it and i started to like it less (doh!)

then i talked to kent who reminded me of all the above

went back to look at the first getv, the first askaninja and some early
vloggies show episodes (ouch)

and suddenly i was like "wow good for u!"


On 9/6/07, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   > Anyway, if you are all for critique and criticism then the video I do
> > may satisfy. But I fail to totally grasp the idea that 'Ive been
> > served'. Ive proved fairly ignorant of the idea that earning respect
> > from people by making quality videos would be a good thing, and
> > nothing you say is likely to change this.
>
> I didnt mean that as a dig directed at you.
> that's what they say on the dance floor as excited competitors face
> off with their moves.
> Then everyone goes out for a burger and fries to celebrate the sweaty
> gameplay.
>
> You got my respect Steve whether you make a video or not.
> You give a shit.
> Sometimes I think its your in depth comments that keep this list alive
> during the slow spots.
>
> Jay
>
> --
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
>
> **check out the new look: ryanishungry.com**
>  
>



-- 
http://geekentertainment.tv


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[videoblogging] Personal Expenses

[Bill Cammack]

Personal Expenses: FCE blog post about time and energy "between the
lines".  Might come in handy for people getting bogged down in projects.



or



--
billcammack

[videoblogging] vPIP 1.12 Beta (with a new share video embeds) available

[Enric]

The major change is in sharing Wordpress vPIP video embeds.  It has
been simplified and extended.  Simplified in that your entire vPIP
embed layout is provided in the embed share code.  Extended, so that
the shared code includes the share embed option (button and code.)  So
if you have a popular video it will just continue to travel as people
pick it up and embed it from site to site...

As normal, you can get the new version at vPIP:

http://vpip.org/

To download this version of vPIP with ShowInABox go to:

http://showinabox.tv/wordpress/download/

and get "The Whole Enchilada"

For usage instruction see:

http://wiki.vpip.org/index.php?title=Using_vPIP
http://wiki.vpip.org/index.php?title=Using_Vlogsplosion

About vPIP
--
vPIP (video Playing In Place) dynamically embeds a link video after
the viewer clicks on the link.

Web pages load quickly with just image and text links. Then when the
viewer clicks one of the links, it's replaced with the video. Clicking
on another link closes the prior video and opens the new one.

The supported video (and audio) formats are:

* Quicktime
o .mov
o .mp4
o .mp3 (audio)
o .smi or .smil
o .3gp
* Windows Media
o .avi
o .wmv
o .asf
o .wma (audio)
* Flash
o .swf
o .flv
o Ogg
o .ogg
o .ogv
o .oga

;),

Enric
-===-
http://www.cirne.com
http://www.vpip.org

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Jay dedman]

>  Anyway, if you are all for critique and criticism then the video I do
>  may satisfy. But I fail to totally grasp the idea that 'Ive been
>  served'. Ive proved fairly ignorant of the idea that earning respect
>  from people by making quality videos would be a good thing, and
>  nothing you say is likely to change this.

I didnt mean that as a dig directed at you.
that's what they say on the dance floor as excited competitors face
off with their moves.
Then everyone goes out for a burger and fries to celebrate the sweaty gameplay.

You got my respect Steve whether you make a video or not.
You give a shit.
Sometimes I think its your in depth comments that keep this list alive
during the slow spots.

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

**check out the new look: ryanishungry.com**

[videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Steve Watkins]

Well I have been painfully slowly stumbling towards that goal for 2 or
3 years now, and unfortunately neither positive or negative attempts
to get me to vlog, to put my money where my mouth is, lead to the
desired results.

If I could make what I think a good video should be, I would already
be doing it. So I will take the easy way out and do what I already
said I would do, a video that pokes fun at stuff I dont like. Maybe it
will turn out useful, maybe it will suck and make a fools vision out
of my stance, who knows. It certainly wont be a regular occurence
unless I can finally overcome the dysfunctional wastes of time in my life.

Anyway, if you are all for critique and criticism then the video I do
may satisfy. But I fail to totally grasp the idea that 'Ive been
served'. Ive proved fairly ignorant of the idea that earning respect
from people by making quality videos would be a good thing, and
nothing you say is likely to change this.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm all for critques and criticisms.
> That's why Damien posted the new show-style to the list.
> But let's sort this out like they do on the dancefloormake what
> you think a good video should be.
> make a lot of them.
> 
> You've been served.
> 
> Jay
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Jay dedman]

> It doesnt matter what I prefer. And rather ironically a main reason I
>  havent done my own show is that I havent yet been able to live up to
>  my own standards for professional graphics, etc. So thats not what I
>  was ranting about. I suppose it is a combination of 'no attention-span
>  required' style and some of the stuff they were covering, that got me
>  ugly.

I'm all for critques and criticisms.
That's why Damien posted the new show-style to the list.
But let's sort this out like they do on the dancefloormake what
you think a good video should be.
make a lot of them.

You've been served.

Jay

[videoblogging] "what we need from you"

[Jay dedman]

Lawrence Lessig gives a summary of where we're at with Free Culture.
If these ideas are new for you, take the 30 minutes to listen.
Many conversations on this list revolve around everything Lessig describes.
http://www.linuxworld.com/events/keynotes/lwsf06-lessig.html

We are each making our own videos, and trying to get attention.
But it's also about building and supporting a level playing field so
everyone has equal chance for attention. Wherever you are on the
spectrum, this should be important to all creators.

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

**check out the new look: ryanishungry.com**

[videoblogging] DIY Video Summit

[Jay dedman]

Ryanne is a guest curator at this web video summit in LA:
http://www.video24-7.org/

"Although it is clear that there is tremendous demand for
user-generated and bottom-up forms of digital video, it remains
unclear how best to support these creative projects, what the
implications are for artistic practice and how to build bridges
between old and new media."

These are a very interesting questions to answer.
How do we support independent creative projects?

jay


-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

**check out the new look: ryanishungry.com**

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Adam Quirk, Wreck & Salvage]

> Also the no attention-span required style is what is required for
> anything that's trying to be commercial.


Ugh, I hope that isn't true. Most stuff I watch, commercial or otherwise,
requires some attention and critical thinking.

There's infinite choice immediately available competing for people's
> attention.  If you're not constantly engaging, constantly challenging
> your audience to pay attention and going so fast they need to rewatch,
> you're going to lose them.


That's definitely true about the infinite choice, but I'm not sure the
A.D.D.-ing of the world is such a great goal.

I understand it's trendy to use jump cuts and MTV-style hyperactive edits,
but it's not a necessity.  I also understand that so far, in the extremely
brief time that web video shows have been able to be called successful, many
of them use this particular style.  But that is definitely not a reason to
say it's necessary, or that you'll lose your audience otherwise.  To each
his own.

-- 
Adam Quirk
Wreck & Salvage
551.208.4644
Brooklyn, NY
http://wreckandsalvage.com


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[videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Kent Nichols]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It doesnt matter what I prefer. And rather ironically a main reason I
> havent done my own show is that I havent yet been able to live up to
> my own standards for professional graphics, etc. So thats not what I
> was ranting about. I suppose it is a combination of 'no attention-span
> required' style and some of the stuff they were covering, that got me
> ugly.


Meh, don't get too bound up in your own expectations.  Just do it. 
Also the no attention-span required style is what is required for
anything that's trying to be commercial.

There's infinite choice immediately available competing for people's
attention.  If you're not constantly engaging, constantly challenging
your audience to pay attention and going so fast they need to rewatch,
you're going to lose them.

-Kent, askaninja.com 

[videoblogging] Re: Internet People

[Steve Watkins]

That was probably the best snapshot of inernet popular culture Ive
ever seen. The music wasnt really my cup of tea but dang, that was an
excellent video/cartoon/whatever you want to see it as.

Seeing all those references to the net pop events of the past, really
got me thinking about the other non-pop, more serious human events
that have happened on the net over the years. I dont think theyd make
such a good cartoon, anyways I look forward to all future
interpretations of net cultural history.

Im still getting my head round the fact that the net is similar to tv
in the sense of it being one of those inventions that people who could
remember the world before it came along, will have a slightly
different outtake on things, and will get laughed at. Will 'Hey
gramps, you are so old the net didnt exist when you were young', be a
taunt of the future?

The pace of change is funny. Its only been 14 years since I went to
university, yet the experience will already be quite different now I
suppose, in that most students didnt have mobile phones or the net and
 I can only guess how much this changes everyday social life. There I
go, wandering quite far away from the original point.

Cheers

Steve Elbows 
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "bordercollieaustralianshepherd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey O'Brien! Thanks for sharing that. No kidding, Your friend should
> be pretty proud of their work.
> 
> Not being critical here either, but a link to his blog would have
> saved me a second or two. 
> 
> And a mention of his new site, which for some reason has a name that
> gives me a strong feeling of Deja Vu without the feeling of ants
> crawling all over my skin. 
> 
> And debuting at about the 00:00:33 mark, Ask A Nija is dominating with
> the best looking frame of the whole bunch ... and the Nija moves ...
> if you ask me, Ask a Nija could be a Saturday morning show based on
> the moves in this ... just saying.
> 
> After I watched it, bounced over to the site
>  of the guy that collaborated on the music
> and his MySpace  page "...
> With over 150,000 views on YouTube, Kamoni has recently gained
> worldwide attention for his live Drum & Bass "Jungle Ninja" electronic
> drum show."
> 
> Two Nijas One day. 
> Pretty Cool.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Obreahny O'Brien 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > A friend of a friend who is an animator made this:
> >  
> > http://www.channelfrederator.com/methminute39/episode/TMM_20070906
> >  
> > It's really cute and references a few videobloggers like Ask a Ninja
> and Amanda C. from Rocketboom. It's also interesting to see
> videoblogging put into an cartoon/animated medium. 
> > Obreahny O'Brien
> > _
> > Discover the new Windows Vista
> > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[Steve Watkins]

It doesnt matter what I prefer. And rather ironically a main reason I
havent done my own show is that I havent yet been able to live up to
my own standards for professional graphics, etc. So thats not what I
was ranting about. I suppose it is a combination of 'no attention-span
required' style and some of the stuff they were covering, that got me
ugly.

I do not wish such shows dissapear, or to imply that they somehow harm
vlogging, they arent my sort o thing, so what. They shoukd exist and I
should feel free to have an opinion about them, nothing dramatic, no
crusade. But a battle against greenwashing and the dumbing down or
sexing up of sustainability issues, is something I may very well go
on, at some point.

The vido Ive promised will not even just be mangling that show in
particular, I'll probably chuck in everything Ive ever seen from any
green video on the net thats ound me up. It will just be the
expression of an opinion through creativity instead of bitter words
here, it wont aim to achieve much other than to scratch an itch. For
although I spout my opinion o much, I do not place an special value in
them, I do not think humanity would be better if only it would listen
to me, or that the things that excite or horrify me must be the
central issues for mankind to think about, though it may sound like I
do sometimes I suppose.

Cheers

Steve Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just watched it; waiting for the "high production values", thinking that
> meant some sort of lavish Bugsby Berkeley number or something, but
in the
> end found that I was watching something that was created by competent
> graphic designers, editors, and videographers.
> 
> The stuff in the video wasn't neccessarily expensive, it was just
made by
> competent professionals.  I mean, it was all After Effects and
Greenscreen--
> things anyone can do.  They are just well skilled at it.
> 
> Steve, would you have enjoyed the content more if the host held the
camera
> pointed to her own face?  Would that legitimize the experience?  I
> understand that the unpolished Look and Feel of online video is
something
> some people enjoy, but really, if all you money-grubbers are going
to get
> your big payday, some sort of professionalism in tone will be
needed. (this,
> of course, has nothing to do with personal videoblogging.  we are
talking
> about Shows.)
> 
> anyway, just rambling.
> 
> Schlomo
> http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> http://weknowhow.tv
> http://evilvlog.com
> http://hatfactory.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/5/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   Yeah my rant wasnt ver nice, sorry about that. The production values
> > seem high, it was the nature of some of the content & style that got
> > me all wound up. But yeah, I am a big fan of how much different video
> > can coexist on the net, none of my criticisms were anything to do with
> > this show threatening anybody else. I freely admit to being a mostly
> > useless git who fails consistently to produce any shows, so I
> > certainly only have myself to blame for nobody watching - theres
> > nothing to watch!
> >
> > Shutting up is probably the best advice Ive had for a while, I'll go
> > do that for a while.
> >
> > Steve Elbows
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
,
> > "Kent Nichols"
> >
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
,
> > "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Im with newteevee on this one, sure does look like its going
to be the
> > > > worst greenwashing bullshit marketing in the style of a magazine
> > > > format tv show, that Ive yet had the misfortune to cast my
eyes upon.
> > >
> > > How do you really feel Steve? The first episode is one of the most
> > > polished things I've seen as a pilot in a while. Certainly more
> > > polished then the first AskANinja episode (and maybe even the
current
> > > Ninja episodes :P).
> > >
> > > It's just like anything else in the space. Someone else's show does
> > > not threaten your show. If you're in the similar genre, but no
one is
> > > watching you and watching them, that's your fault. If you feel
that a
> > > show should be doing something better or different, you should
go out
> > > and produce that show.
> > >
> > > Shut up and produce good shows and then get better. Always get
better.
> > >
> > > -Kent, askaninja.com
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[videoblogging] Re: Internet People

[bordercollieaustralianshepherd]

Hey O'Brien! Thanks for sharing that. No kidding, Your friend should
be pretty proud of their work.

Not being critical here either, but a link to his blog would have
saved me a second or two. 

And a mention of his new site, which for some reason has a name that
gives me a strong feeling of Deja Vu without the feeling of ants
crawling all over my skin. 

And debuting at about the 00:00:33 mark, Ask A Nija is dominating with
the best looking frame of the whole bunch ... and the Nija moves ...
if you ask me, Ask a Nija could be a Saturday morning show based on
the moves in this ... just saying.

After I watched it, bounced over to the site
 of the guy that collaborated on the music
and his MySpace  page "...
With over 150,000 views on YouTube, Kamoni has recently gained
worldwide attention for his live Drum & Bass "Jungle Ninja" electronic
drum show."

Two Nijas One day. 
Pretty Cool.



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Obreahny O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> A friend of a friend who is an animator made this:
>  
> http://www.channelfrederator.com/methminute39/episode/TMM_20070906
>  
> It's really cute and references a few videobloggers like Ask a Ninja
and Amanda C. from Rocketboom. It's also interesting to see
videoblogging put into an cartoon/animated medium. 
> Obreahny O'Brien
> _
> Discover the new Windows Vista
> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[videoblogging] Re: Internet People

[terry.rendon]

That was viralicious!

Terry Rendon
www.terryannonline.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Obreahny O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> A friend of a friend who is an animator made this:
>  
> http://www.channelfrederator.com/methminute39/episode/TMM_20070906
>  
> It's really cute and references a few videobloggers like Ask a Ninja
and Amanda C. from Rocketboom. It's also interesting to see
videoblogging put into an cartoon/animated medium. 
> Obreahny O'Brien
> _
> Discover the new Windows Vista
> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[videoblogging] Internet People

[Obreahny O'Brien]

A friend of a friend who is an animator made this:
 
http://www.channelfrederator.com/methminute39/episode/TMM_20070906
 
It's really cute and references a few videobloggers like Ask a Ninja and Amanda 
C. from Rocketboom. It's also interesting to see videoblogging put into an 
cartoon/animated medium. 
Obreahny O'Brien
_
Discover the new Windows Vista
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Intro New Green Show from the Ask A Ninja Editor

[schlomo rabinowitz]

Just watched it; waiting for the "high production values", thinking that
meant some sort of lavish Bugsby Berkeley number or something, but in the
end found that I was watching something that was created by competent
graphic designers, editors, and videographers.

The stuff in the video wasn't neccessarily expensive, it was just made by
competent professionals.  I mean, it was all After Effects and Greenscreen--
things anyone can do.  They are just well skilled at it.

Steve, would you have enjoyed the content more if the host held the camera
pointed to her own face?  Would that legitimize the experience?  I
understand that the unpolished Look and Feel of online video is something
some people enjoy, but really, if all you money-grubbers are going to get
your big payday, some sort of professionalism in tone will be needed. (this,
of course, has nothing to do with personal videoblogging.  we are talking
about Shows.)

anyway, just rambling.

Schlomo
http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
http://weknowhow.tv
http://evilvlog.com
http://hatfactory.net



On 9/5/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Yeah my rant wasnt ver nice, sorry about that. The production values
> seem high, it was the nature of some of the content & style that got
> me all wound up. But yeah, I am a big fan of how much different video
> can coexist on the net, none of my criticisms were anything to do with
> this show threatening anybody else. I freely admit to being a mostly
> useless git who fails consistently to produce any shows, so I
> certainly only have myself to blame for nobody watching - theres
> nothing to watch!
>
> Shutting up is probably the best advice Ive had for a while, I'll go
> do that for a while.
>
> Steve Elbows
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Kent Nichols"
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Im with newteevee on this one, sure does look like its going to be the
> > > worst greenwashing bullshit marketing in the style of a magazine
> > > format tv show, that Ive yet had the misfortune to cast my eyes upon.
> >
> > How do you really feel Steve? The first episode is one of the most
> > polished things I've seen as a pilot in a while. Certainly more
> > polished then the first AskANinja episode (and maybe even the current
> > Ninja episodes :P).
> >
> > It's just like anything else in the space. Someone else's show does
> > not threaten your show. If you're in the similar genre, but no one is
> > watching you and watching them, that's your fault. If you feel that a
> > show should be doing something better or different, you should go out
> > and produce that show.
> >
> > Shut up and produce good shows and then get better. Always get better.
> >
> > -Kent, askaninja.com
> >
>
>  
>


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