[videoblogging] Re: Videoblogging social network
Ive always been interested in stuff like this. For a few years I hoped to contribute towards making it happen for the vlogging community, but a combination of factors always put me off, ranging from technology limitations to not wanting to fragment this community (eg some people just want to stick with a straightforward mailing list), and also the idea that once video on the net really took off, communities may form around specific genres/subjects and an overall 'vlogging community' would be too broad and redundant. Once the likes of youtube, facebook and twitter got massive, I became quite interested in whether we could have a form of decentralised social networking where each individual had full control over their content and how/where its hosted, but somehow these fragments could be aggregated together in a very sophisticated way to create cohesive communities. The dominance of certain corporate entities, the lack of technical people to put the vast time in to make it happen for free, my own negativity, how quiet this group for for a few years means I havent bothered, but I remain rather interested in the subject. I expect things may evolve in this direction over the next decade, but Im not sure 'the videoblogging community' (whatever that is) will be the driving force, and the situation still remains complex due to the dominant players. There are still lots of walls out there, even though progress has been made with API's etc, specific platforms rule the waves, and pick'n'mixing features from different providers is not as doable as it should be. This was certainly not helped by most video hosts trying to build social networking and community stuff into their own services, leading to the wrong sort of fragmentation, something that first showed up in terms of people complaining about people commenting on their videos on the hosts site rather than on their own blog. At least the dust has settled from those giddy years when there was so much hype and hope from certain companies dreaming that they would dominate, and where community-based stuff ran out of momentum or people tried to cash in to get some return for their efforts, with fairly predictable results. I think Ive finally recovered from the time I became an aggressive nightmare when faced with a few dicks who thought they were going to become the new media moguls. Mind you even if the dust has settled Ive got less clues about where the net may be going than at any point in the past, so i tend to restrict myself to drooling over things like 3d accelerated css and multitouch devices and what that could mean for how people navigate the web in future. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe rup...@... wrote: I know we return to this every so often - how to add more functionality to this list... I just had a thought, so I wanted to jot it down here while it was still fresh. It seems to me that we could benefit from a Facebook-style, Ning-style or Drupal-based site where we could have this same kind of disussion forum, but where we could also upload/link a lot of other content - particularly videos - and connect in other ways. What I want is a bridge between RSS, Twitter, threaded discussions, community hub and information archive. I want a non-corporate community-owned place where I can go, where there are lots of online video people, where I can: a) post links to things of interest (i do that here sometimes) b) Bookmark videos I like (harder to do that here) c) chat in asynchronous twitter style but with preserved threads that allow more than just statement response end d) talk about more serious internet video things (i do that here) f) Bookmark whole sites/channels/videoblogs, like a vlogroll, but much larger, and with an aggregated directory of all sites for everyone to browse, in categories. g) Form groups for different types of people/sites/channels/videos/ interests h) post other types of content - photos, etc i) a place for people to come up with coordinate collaborative projects and challenges like vbweek j) an archive like the videoblogginggroup Wiki for sharing advice suggestions Oh my god, this sounds like Facebook for online video people. But I HATE Facebook. So how come? I think what I hate most about Facebook is the lack of boundary between people from different parts of your life - work, home, hobbies, etc. I want something like Facebook, but that's a videoblogging ghetto. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv
[videoblogging] Video Archives, the best way to show them?
I have been thinking this morning, always dangerous I know, anyway I see there has been a lot of discussion again on the best way for vloggers to create an archive page. Well as I said, it got me thinking and I would like to know what would make you view my archive? I mean no matter how I set up an archive page, what would make anyone want to sit back and just watch all of my 400 or so and counting video's? How could I even show that on a page? 400 and counting thumbnails? Would a 60x60 little picture pique your interest enough to select a random archive video and watch it? I think before any solution can be created we as vloggers have to answer these questions first. Or am I just smoking crack? I am also begining to think that an archive is becoming more and more of a very personal thing for each vlogger and what works for one may not work for everyone, which is why it's good to have choices... Anyway any thoughts? Heath http://heathparks.com
[videoblogging] video blogging the G20
a small collective of Mobile Broadcast News vloggers will be cranking it out from Pittsburgh this week from the streets of the G20 Summit. If you're in town hit me up off list or say Howdy in streets. Solidarity, ~FluxRostrum current project http://MobileBroadcastNews.org ~ homebase http://Fluxview.com ~~~ -- Powered By Outblaze
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videoblogging social network
Another observation... Remember when people had bandwidth concerns and feared using their web host do to costs? Well not only do web hosts provide ample warning and elegant pricing models, but I think 99.9% of video creators do not get the kind of traffic where it would ever matter. Likewise, the traffic you get from using youtube and any other lower-level video hosting services is unimpressive to say the least. This supports using your own web hosting together with archive.org or other open hosting services. This was certainly not helped by most video hosts trying to build social networking and community stuff into their own services, leading to the wrong sort of fragmentation, something that first showed up in terms of people complaining about people commenting on their videos on the hosts site rather than on their own blog. This also further supports using your own server/blog. Mind you even if the dust has settled Ive got less clues about where the net may be going than at any point in the past, I don't have anything against communities popping up. That's the freedom of the web. I hope that never changes. So a site like vloggerheadz is good to have out there. And anyone (Rupert) can attempt to setup new communities. The tools/services are out there to make it fairly easy. I'm less interested in startups doing it and maybe that era is coming to a close since it is a hard business and not easy to monetize. At the same time, things like mailing lists are living dinosaurs on the internet because they work well as messages are delivered TO users. This will always work well. A mailing list and a directory of user's blogs/websites and RSS/OPML can go a long way. so i tend to restrict myself to drooling over things like 3d accelerated css and multitouch devices and what that could mean for how people navigate the web in future. As for areas of interest beyond just videoblogging... Their are other mailing lists or message boards etc that exist. I'd love for people to share these resources as it's often hard to go out and find real good ones. That was why I had setup one and you may be interested in it. Some good stuff there. not loud. broad topics but video is still a large part of discussions. http://groups.google.com/group/artists-in-the-cloud/ Sull On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:36 AM, elbowsofdeath st...@dvmachine.com wrote: Ive always been interested in stuff like this. For a few years I hoped to contribute towards making it happen for the vlogging community, but a combination of factors always put me off, ranging from technology limitations to not wanting to fragment this community (eg some people just want to stick with a straightforward mailing list), and also the idea that once video on the net really took off, communities may form around specific genres/subjects and an overall 'vlogging community' would be too broad and redundant. Once the likes of youtube, facebook and twitter got massive, I became quite interested in whether we could have a form of decentralised social networking where each individual had full control over their content and how/where its hosted, but somehow these fragments could be aggregated together in a very sophisticated way to create cohesive communities. The dominance of certain corporate entities, the lack of technical people to put the vast time in to make it happen for free, my own negativity, how quiet this group for for a few years means I havent bothered, but I remain rather interested in the subject. I expect things may evolve in this direction over the next decade, but Im not sure 'the videoblogging community' (whatever that is) will be the driving force, and the situation still remains complex due to the dominant players. There are still lots of walls out there, even though progress has been made with API's etc, specific platforms rule the waves, and pick'n'mixing features from different providers is not as doable as it should be. This was certainly not helped by most video hosts trying to build social networking and community stuff into their own services, leading to the wrong sort of fragmentation, something that first showed up in terms of people complaining about people commenting on their videos on the hosts site rather than on their own blog. At least the dust has settled from those giddy years when there was so much hype and hope from certain companies dreaming that they would dominate, and where community-based stuff ran out of momentum or people tried to cash in to get some return for their efforts, with fairly predictable results. I think Ive finally recovered from the time I became an aggressive nightmare when faced with a few dicks who thought they were going to become the new media moguls. Mind you even if the dust has settled Ive got less clues about where the net may be going than at any point in the past, so i tend to restrict myself to drooling over things like 3d accelerated css
[videoblogging] Re: Video Archives, the best way to show them?
Instead of thinking of one page to draw your followers to all of your videos, what if the search through the archives could be done randomly or by chance? Think of your site being a smaller version of YouTube. They come for one video, but you offer several more to go along with it. This is what I envision: ___ __ | |__| | MIKE'S |__| |___|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| You have your featured video on your page. 1) Below it would be thumbnail links to related videos; other videos that share the same tags or category as the featured entry. 2) Your page border to the right might have thumbnail links to your most popular videos. 3) Perhaps above that you could have random selection from all your videos. 4) Perhaps there are thumbnail links to videos you did 2 or 3 years ago on this date. The good news is this could be closer then you think to being a reality. Now this solution isn't going to work with the vlogger that has 10 videos, but for those of us that have accumulated lots of content over the years, it should work out well. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 heathpa...@... wrote: I have been thinking this morning, always dangerous I know, anyway I see there has been a lot of discussion again on the best way for vloggers to create an archive page. Well as I said, it got me thinking and I would like to know what would make you view my archive? I mean no matter how I set up an archive page, what would make anyone want to sit back and just watch all of my 400 or so and counting video's? How could I even show that on a page? 400 and counting thumbnails? Would a 60x60 little picture pique your interest enough to select a random archive video and watch it? I think before any solution can be created we as vloggers have to answer these questions first. Or am I just smoking crack? I am also begining to think that an archive is becoming more and more of a very personal thing for each vlogger and what works for one may not work for everyone, which is why it's good to have choices... Anyway any thoughts? Heath http://heathparks.com
Re: [videoblogging] Video Archives, the best way to show them?
How could I even show that on a page? 400 and counting thumbnails? Would a 60x60 little picture pique your interest enough to select a random archive video and watch it? pagination. play video thumbs on mouseover (html5). search field. random video. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:40 AM, hpbatman7 heathpa...@msn.com wrote: I have been thinking this morning, always dangerous I know, anyway I see there has been a lot of discussion again on the best way for vloggers to create an archive page. Well as I said, it got me thinking and I would like to know what would make you view my archive? I mean no matter how I set up an archive page, what would make anyone want to sit back and just watch all of my 400 or so and counting video's? How could I even show that on a page? 400 and counting thumbnails? Would a 60x60 little picture pique your interest enough to select a random archive video and watch it? I think before any solution can be created we as vloggers have to answer these questions first. Or am I just smoking crack? I am also begining to think that an archive is becoming more and more of a very personal thing for each vlogger and what works for one may not work for everyone, which is why it's good to have choices... Anyway any thoughts? Heath http://heathparks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Archive player in Youtube
Any guidance on how to find the embed code on YT? I'm just being lazy I know. I just linked to that page because Id never seen ti before. Not sure how the woman found that code. Maybe someone else knows Youtube better than me? http://www.islandmedstudent.com/home/videos/ Or just email this blogger. BTW Jay I just had my first showing on MNN yesterday the ISOC-NY program. Long live Cable Access TV even in the age of web video. Check out my friend's show: http://itchanged.blip.tv/ The show's format changes every week. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Videopress and vPIP: UPDATED!!!
Eric Lorentz, aka UnholyKnght, has done us all a big solid. He updated the Videopress and vPIP plugins for the latest version of Wordpress: http://unholyknight.com/VideoWrangler/ Many of you may remember all the work that Charles and Enric put into the original versions. These plugins helped make video a more active part of our WP blogs. As Wordpress evolved, these plugins starting acting buggy or broke. It's a lot of work keeping these plugins constantly updated. If you use the old versions, delete them and install these new ones. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, give them a try. Or hopefully some folks here will link to some examples. We want to redesign our videoblog, but you can see all the plugins in action: http://ryanishungry.com VideoWrangler (new version of vPIP) allows multiple video formats to play in one place. Related Videos on sidebar lets us choose which of our archives compliment the main video. We put Recent Videos on the footer to show our latest work. If you click Archives in the navigation bar, you'll be able to scroll through thumbnails and descriptions of our work. The plugins are all open source if anyone wants to imporve the functionality. I know Heath and Mike Moon have recently discussed better Archive pages. Thank you Eric! Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Re: Videopress and vPIP: UPDATED!!!
Yea, I saw yesterday where Eric had done this and was going to post on it today but got busy with my real job. it's given me some food for thought because I was just going to go with Blip.tv's player permantanty because of vpip and the other plugin's not being updated regularly but nowI am not sure.. regardless I am going to be blowing up my site here shortly and changing things up across the board with my online life...I am sure all 12 or so of you who follow me will be waiting with baited breath...lol Thanks Eric! Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: Eric Lorentz, aka UnholyKnght, has done us all a big solid. He updated the Videopress and vPIP plugins for the latest version of Wordpress: http://unholyknight.com/VideoWrangler/ Many of you may remember all the work that Charles and Enric put into the original versions. These plugins helped make video a more active part of our WP blogs. As Wordpress evolved, these plugins starting acting buggy or broke. It's a lot of work keeping these plugins constantly updated. If you use the old versions, delete them and install these new ones. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, give them a try. Or hopefully some folks here will link to some examples. We want to redesign our videoblog, but you can see all the plugins in action: http://ryanishungry.com VideoWrangler (new version of vPIP) allows multiple video formats to play in one place. Related Videos on sidebar lets us choose which of our archives compliment the main video. We put Recent Videos on the footer to show our latest work. If you click Archives in the navigation bar, you'll be able to scroll through thumbnails and descriptions of our work. The plugins are all open source if anyone wants to imporve the functionality. I know Heath and Mike Moon have recently discussed better Archive pages. Thank you Eric! Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videopress and vPIP: UPDATED!!!
Yea, I saw yesterday where Eric had done this and was going to post on it today but got busy with my real job. it's given me some food for thought because I was just going to go with Blip.tv's player permantanty because of vpip and the other plugin's not being updated regularly but nowI am not sure.. yeah, its an ongoing conversation every creator must have for themselves. Should I just use a youtube/blip feature just to make it easy, accepting the limitations? Focus on creating videos. Verdi argued this point recently. Or continue to use open solutions with more creator control, accepting the unwanted maintenance that comes with it. Sull has been a strong advocate of this stance lately. No right answer...depends what your focus is on. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Videopress and vPIP: UPDATED!!!
I used Enric's version way back in 2006. Sample here: http://bestinthedesert.blogspot.com/2006/08/mm305-lead-4-cars-bitd-06-vegas-to.html I use Blogger blogs, had to hack into the HTML. They still seem to work for me. I gravitated to Blip.tv's built in embedded players: for my .mp4 originals .flv Flash conversions. Blip.tv has some really impressive show players, which show episodes in a right hand menu bar. But, I don't think they have this related video feature. I'm a big fan of cruising Youtube videos, use the Related Vidoes menu bar all the time. I use Youtube like a searchable jukebox, great stuff. I like the new version (Videopress vPIP plugins for Wordpress) on Ryanishungry. Is there a version for Blogger? On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Jay dedman wrote: Eric Lorentz, aka UnholyKnght, has done us all a big solid. He updated the Videopress and vPIP plugins for the latest version of Wordpress: http://unholyknight.com/VideoWrangler/ Many of you may remember all the work that Charles and Enric put into the original versions. These plugins helped make video a more active part of our WP blogs. As Wordpress evolved, these plugins starting acting buggy or broke. It's a lot of work keeping these plugins constantly updated. If you use the old versions, delete them and install these new ones. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, give them a try. Or hopefully some folks here will link to some examples. We want to redesign our videoblog, but you can see all the plugins in action: http://ryanishungry.com VideoWrangler (new version of vPIP) allows multiple video formats to play in one place. Related Videos on sidebar lets us choose which of our archives compliment the main video. We put Recent Videos on the footer to show our latest work. If you click Archives in the navigation bar, you'll be able to scroll through thumbnails and descriptions of our work. The plugins are all open source if anyone wants to imporve the functionality. I know Heath and Mike Moon have recently discussed better Archive pages. Thank you Eric! Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Videopress and vPIP: UPDATED!!!
I like the new version (Videopress vPIP plugins for Wordpress) on Ryanishungry. Is there a version for Blogger? Currently, all the plugins are for Wordpress only. I think Enric has versions of vPIP for other platforms. You would need to test them: http://vpip.org/ Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
[videoblogging] Fwd: [j2000] APM looking for a multimedia journalist for original climate reporting
Hi, everyone - The producer of American Public Media's sustainability coverage asked us to put out the feelers for a great multimedia reporter to do original reporting on the topic of climate change. The job would run through June 2010, with no guarantees beyond then. Right now, they're thinking the job would be in LA, but it's negotiable. If anyone out there is interested, please let me know. Jessica -- http://geekentertainment.tv
