[videoblogging] Open letter to video bloggers from Veoh
Dear Video Bloggers, Please let me apologize for any confusion and distress Veoh's broadcasting of unclaimed RSS feeds has caused. It was in no way deliberate. I would like to thank you for your passion, your harsh constructive criticism, and your patience while we continue to strive to make Veoh a service that can dramatically impact the video blogging, and television worlds. For those of you who have expressed support and a desire to work with us, I look forward to meeting you and working together. As I have stated in previous messages, Veoh's intent has never been to be a place where publisher's rights are violated. It is our intent to provide an open service where content publishers can easily publish their video and deliver it to the world without the restrictions of traditional broadcast mediums. We are the greatest fans of user created video content, and believe that it is this revolution that will change the world that we live in. In the latest releases we have made the RSS submission process more secure by making it a one step process rather than accepting Unclaimed Feeds and waiting for users to claim them. We believe this will prevent anything like this from happening again. Since Friday, our entire team has been dealing with the situation, responding to individual requests for removal and working on new features to specifically address concerns raised by the group. We should have been proactively addressing these issues over the last month of our web beta, but unfortunately the pace of startup life got in the way. As a result of that analysis, we have made a decision to remove any videos published via an RSS feed that have not specifically been claimed by the feed owner. If you have published your feed to Veoh, but have not been able to claim it yet, it has been removed, and we ask you to please republish it. We apologize for the inconvenience, but there was no other way to clean the database. We are continuing to improve the presentation of RSS published video series; including clear link-back to the originating site, attribution, and other elements requested by many of you who indicated you would like to see Veoh continue to provide an alternate distribution channel for your content. These modifications will be released later this week. We are forming a video blogging advisory group of 5 to 10 people that will help guide our development efforts, participate in beta testing, and help us be better citizens of the video blogging world. Some of you have already written us about it and we look forward to meeting with you. If you would like to participate, please email dshapiro at veoh dot com. Thank you for your understanding, support, passion, and contribution to the revolution. With such passion behind us, we are bound to make a difference. If you will allow us to be your sponsors at VloggerCon 2006, we would truly be honored to meet all of you. Sincerely, Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Markus, It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar. I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers? Do you not want us to sponsor? Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me??? At this time, Veoh is NOT an official sponsor of Vloggercon. Vloggercon sponsors are listed on the vloggercon site and you're not. Perhaps you should check out the sponsorship page: http://www.vloggercon.com/?page_id=7 However, you should be aware that some of us are more than a little concerned as to the suitability of such a sponsorship under the current conditions. Markus Sandy dmitry_veoh wrote: For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have a chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoring the event, and will throw a party afterwards. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
We are still removing feeds manually while programmers are working on fixing the automated systems. Thanks so much for the patience with your personal requests...moving as fast as we can over the weekend! Veoh is NOT spidering. We have an automated RSS reader that checks RSS feeds that were put into the system manually. We DO NOT crawl. As you have seen, we have been responsive to taking down feeds, and will continue to be responsive. We want to be good citizens and hope that you bear with us while we retool. There is lots of talk about what's wrong with the system, and we appreciate the feedback. I hope that some of you will take this as an opportunity to guide a product that we can all use to change the world. We have the resources to invest in making a real difference in the world of video blogging, help guide us. Would anyone be available for some consulting work to help us spec out changes in the system? Looking for 2 to 3 people or to form a video blogger advisory group (5-10 people). If any of you are developers, we are looking to staff up there as well. Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dmitry, is Veoh actually spidering? Please reply (this list), if are really as sincere as you claimed in your earlier email. On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Anne Walk wrote: to me, Veoh is different from YouTube in this way: YouTube allows users to upload video. Users upload video that may or may not conform to copyright. YouTube either chooses not to monitor for copyright infringement or cannot do so. Veoh is the same in this regard. The difference lies in the spidering. As well as a community site where users can upload content, Veoh also spiders other video hosting sites as well as individual vlog sites and inputs their content into their community. Veoh is directly involved in the copyright infringement. That is the difference and that difference is huge. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
David, There is nothing to cover up. We are trying to be responsive to your requests. If you would like your videos removed, just tell us what they are, and we will remove them. Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 3 videos there have no keywords there associated to my username or site name. The videos are just there. Not sure how I screwed myself. However...and this is priceless. The videos in question have been removed except for one. Glad I took screenshots. I saw in my logs that someone went to my site, saw the link to my older videos and saw the ones I am talking about that are/were on VEOH. So, does that indicate that VEOH is manually adding stuff as well as spidering for it? They must have known which ones to remove because I never actually said what videos they had there. Regardless, it makes me think that VEOH is reading these messages here, knows they have done wrong and are trying to fix or cover up what they had originally done. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: I just got this e-mail and I'm reposting it here less than one hour before the below request; Veoh removed rocketboom videos. Of course they did not remove the keyword 'rocketboom' so now Steve Garfield, Richard Show, and everyone else who mentions Rocketboom appears. Thus, I am realizing that for my intent, I kinda screwed myself a bit here, just like I think David Howell screwed himself, based on his primary intent (not his new intent). My original intent being that I wasn't feeling threatened by Veoh, I never hear about them except for on this list, I dont know anyone who uses their site, and feel that the way its set up, it going to fail on its own without us, so thus, irregardless of my action in the case, Rocketboom has likely lost out on this one by not having Rocketboom's feed there. In otherwords, instead of moulding to the environment (for there are no doubt some people who like to use the site), knowing that a) most people who really like Rocketboom will eventually figure out where it's coming from and how to get there (we say so in every video), and b) believing that the Veoh system will self-destruct in its present form with or without us, so its not an issue of morality, we might of been more effective for the people that are still there. So many people, so many places around the world, so many perspectives; Woe the aborigine on a video with an RSS feed - 'talk about stealing a soul with a picture. At 15 frames per second thats some pretty serious infringement for every subscriber. e-mail from Veoh: Per your request, we have removed Rocketboom videos from the site. Mary Nielsen Veoh Service wrote: Email: andrew [at] rocketboom.com Subject: ROCKETBOOM Personal message: Please remove all Rocketboom videos from your site immediately. Thank you, Andrew -- -- Note: Please do not reply to this message. This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address that will not accept incoming e-mail. On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:27 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Yea, so I was just simply making the point that Veoh just did what YouTube did. So what single out Veoh for this reason? On the other reasons for singeing them out, I know I have asked them to remove our feed before but its there again. So I just asked them to remove all Rocketboom videos, lets see how long it takes or if they do. On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because SNL's content is owned by a corporate entity who is in the business of licensing that content to other people in exchange for money. Whenever you see SNL on TV anywhere, you can be sure that someone is getting paid for that broadcast. This would be like CBS recording the broadcast of SNL on NBC one night, and then showing it the next day on a 24 hour loop on their own network and telling NBC they are doing them a favor by bringing more attention to their content -- for free! And to be clear, the SNL example was a reference to YouTube and the major traffic spike they got from the SNL Lazy Sunday (Chronicles of Narnia) clip. -Josh On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been complaining about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers because of them? Um, yes, I think that argument can be made, especially for sites hosting content that is normally
[videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
Robert, The feeds were put in manually by early users of Veoh 1.0 (before we had a web-based service). Veoh does not add to these feeds, and does not pay people to add to these feeds. As I said, we are working on adding links back to originating sites, automatically obeying CC licenses, and are quickly taking down any feed that we are notified about. We are working on automated systems to do this. Our web service has only been operational since March 1. Halcyon is a friend, and is a video blogger just like all of you. Please bear with us while we make these fixes. Thanks, Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dmitry, Manually by whom, specifically. Is anyone employed or volunteering (i.e., working in the interest of Veoh for pay or not) making these RSS submissions or are you claiming that 100% of the RSS feed you use to harvest are entered by non-affiliated and non-interested persons? Let's have a straight-up conversation, here. Direct conversation. For example, Halcyon (screen-name) forwards messages from you however we do not know if he is an affiliated party, please advise. On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:48 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote: ... Veoh is NOT spidering. We have an automated RSS reader that checks RSS feeds that were put into the system manually. We DO NOT crawl. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
Yes, just a friend! He is passionate about Veoh, and helps us with interface design once in a while when he has some free time. He and I used to work together at CollegeClub.com. No conspiracy here. Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just another videoblogger friend? http://veoh.digitalintimacy.com/vcrew.htm On 4/8/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Halcyon is a friend, and is a video blogger just like all of you. Please bear with us while we make these fixes. Thanks, Dmitry --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote: Dmitry, Manually by whom, specifically. Is anyone employed or volunteering (i.e., working in the interest of Veoh for pay or not) making these RSS submissions or are you claiming that 100% of the RSS feed you use to harvest are entered by non-affiliated and non-interested persons? Let's have a straight-up conversation, here. Direct conversation. For example, Halcyon (screen-name) forwards messages from you however we do not know if he is an affiliated party, please advise. On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:48 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote: ... Veoh is NOT spidering. We have an automated RSS reader that checks RSS feeds that were put into the system manually. We DO NOT crawl. Yahoo! Groups Links -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Veoh ** Simple message
Dear video bloggers, There is no conspiracy here. No one is trying to steal your content, and wall it up in a closed system. No one is trying to ignore your CC copyrights. We are simply working out issues of an early launch, and expect to have them fixed shortly. 1. We are cleaning our database of RSS feeds (if your feed is in the database and you don't want it to be, email us and we will remove it immediately). We are working on automated ways of making sure that the database stays clean by better verification of feed ownership and obeying CC licenses. 2. We are adding links back to the original web site of the feed, and will make them prominent on the page. We have no intention of being a closed community. 3. We are listening to the needs of the video blogging community and intend to sponsor VloggerCon 2006 to meet everyone in person. If you want to take me out back and beat the crap out of me for launching a product with holes in it, then so be it. I will be traveling for the next week, but have engineers working on it, and hopefully by the time that I get back, all of this will be fixed and we can all get on with video blogging. Thanks for listening, and please don't paint this into some form of a conspiracy to rip off video bloggers. That is just not what this is. Dmitry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Thank you for approving me for this group. I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear you loud and clear. It is not our intention to steal anyone's content. We are simply trying to create a compelling service for video producers of all kinds, with a big focus on enabling video bloggers to be free of restrictions to broadcast. In fact, we did consider simply creating a site where we would link to videoblogs, but felt that this may cause you to experience significant costs. The reason we transcode the content is to offload those costs from you to us. Maybe this is not the right thing to do. We are open to your comments, and will obey your wishes. Please forgive us if you are one of the people that feel that we have gone about this the wrong way, we will make changes to accommodate your preferences. We did not mean to infringe on anyone's rights, we simply tried to make it simple for people to find your videos in a single place. This is an evolutionary process, and we are working on refining it. We would greatly appreciate your help in making Veoh a great citizen of the video blogging world. For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have a chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoring the event, and will throw a party afterwards. I encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are the good guys. We will do ANYTHING to prove that to you, really. I will personally make sure that anyone that wants their feed off of our system gets a quick response to their wishes. Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. 619-602-3305 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
