[videoblogging] Re: VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum
Raymond, Thanks for the feedback and I realized the sarcastic part was kind of my doom on this list. But, I also realize that anything that is done on parts of the internet are considered spam at first when they are blindsided like my post was. I should have done that better. For everyone to know, I am a lurker, I watched the forum for my first shopping cart for 18 months before I actually purchased it. Raymond, even though your screencast slammed me, it did allow me to get an honest opinion of what priorities I need to change. I had emailed friends and a coworker and they critiqued me about the layout, so in a way I got what I asked for, in one part. I will work on the adding of the code as one of my priorities. Hopefully, people will join. Thanks, Troy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, R. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Troy, all I have to respond to this, even though we have moved on. I hope you are still reading this, Troy. Firstly, my screencast was pretty sarcastic, but it doesn't mean that I have totally written off your site or that there is ill will as such. I have no intention to be just some sarcastic, arrogant prick. I would like anyone who have any ideas or comments to come forth. Nobody of us owns videoblogging, and just because you were not a regular contributor on this list, it doesn't mean that you should be treated as a used car salesman when you do make your first pitch. However, for all you people out there: Think about How you do your pitch. The way you do it can have a big effect on how we as a collective receive it, and ultimately how many test users your project will receive. Now, my take on what happened here. When you wrote your e-mail, I read it, like I read every message from a new voice on this list. I quickly checked out the site, decided that this was pretty immature and not ready for prime time, and I wondered just how many attempts of the definitive directory we are going to get. I found the numerous link to that same business website to make the whole directory seem like a spam, one big advertisement for your other site. I decided at that point to not comment your e-mail to the group and just write it off as yet another attempt of a directory. It didn't stand out much in my opinion. Then Jan gave her reply, which I could definitely understand, but which also came off as a bit off. Asking newcomers who are you? isn't my method, whatever their actions. (OK, Obvious spammers need some flak) So I tried to do a middle thing, still expressing my puzzle with the site, yet adding something to the discussion. I was pretty surprised over the fact that I had to add code to my own site to be listed; that part in itself makes it very hard for me to vouch for your directory. There must be some other way around that problem. Adding codes on our site to be listed somewhere, heck, it is even hard for Technorati to get us to do that sometimes. I suggest you build on that small blog in connection with the building of your directory, make sure you have an RSS feed, and then you can notify this list with that RSS feed. Then those of us who want to can get updated on your work. I will make a new visit to your site when it has matured, and then I can give a new screencast to counter my earlier sarcastic one :P Oh, and a message for all who are busy preparing coool shit for the vlogosphere to use, please note that if you want the full effect of the involvement in the vlogosphere, you should become a part of the vlogosphere somehow. You don't have to vlog much at all, but be a part of the conversation. That way your pitching email or short involvement with us wont just get forgotten as we move on to the thousands of emails from our over thousand members. If there is something I do NOT want, it is to come across as arrogant towards newcomers or people that have been lurking untill now. I know I send off loads of BS to this list, but nobody has stopped me yet. :) Good luck building that site, Troy! Now, feel free to enter the discussions as you like. You definitely got our attention now, even though I guess it was in a less preferred way ;) Best, Raymond M. Kristiansen that evil screencaster On 8/6/05, troylemaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I will admit that this is a spam by definition, but I would like to defend my actions. I didn't boast, brag, or pretend to be some random user. I have been following this group and I am sincerely interested in VLogging. This week I got confirmation that I am on the VLogIt Beta testing list and fully intend to VLog the creation of the directory and apparently I will have to include this event. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
[videoblogging] Re: VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum
Test 3, hmmm I will have to think about this one some more, but here are my first thoughts. My first thought is I can see things 3-12 months down the road, I am not an visionary, I am an idea man. So as you said, I recognized the fact in the group that there is a virtual fence that everyone is on, in regards to the maturity of Vlogging. I have a MBA, so one thing that I learned is that every successful business has to mature, grow, expand, or die. The difference between business and VLogging is the pure potential of VLogging. A mom and pop has the luxury of being able to limit their growth, based on their comfort scale and ability to put forth their maximum effort. VLogging does not have this luxury, like other technologies, ideas, revolutions, over the past few years and decades. VLogging has a potential to grow exponentially very quickly and this is what is going to create the growing pain in th community. I think there will be a battle between purist and visionaries, much like there is a battle between old schoolers and corporate staff, when a mom and pop gets bought out by Acme Corporation. Mom and Pop realize that their is a valid reason to sell to Acme, because they did not do it for just the reason of money. Most of the time it is because they need to grow and they understand that for whatever reason they cannot get the business where it needs to be. So the purist, you know the one, he sits in the breakroom complaining all day of how thing are constantly changing and his job is now different(not harder, just different). Never realizing that if mom and pop didn't sell, then they were not going to be able to maintian their growth and the business eventually would end up closing down. This is my first input on the 3rd test, so sorry if I am rambling, Troy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well! Okay Troy, you passed the first test, which was that you read the list rather than just leaving your request for help populating your site / moderators, dusting off your hands and walking away. And the second test, you replied to our skepticism / cynicism with humor. The third test: what you do for the community before the community bends over backwards for you. I whistle background music by request. Can you whistle? Seriously, what skills/knowledge do you have that might be of benefit to us? Are you a skilled businessman? We could learn something about business from you. Maybe you could think of ways to generate income from extant directories that folks here have worked their bums off to create. I'm sorry, dude, but you arrived at a moment when all of us are hyperaware that folks like you will be coming out of the woodwork in droves, enter our community and spam us. It doesn't matter how you presented your offer - the timing was bad for it arrived in the midst of a discussion about how the days of innocence in the vlogosphere are over. Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com http://the-hold.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: troylemaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum Sull, Thanks for the feedback. Coming from you this is a big vote of confidence. Troy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok. relax. you wont be booted. now people know your site exists... if they want to add thier vlogs, they will. you will be one of hundreds of new directories that will surface in the coming months mostly from people looking for new ad revenue. alright, carry on. sull On 8/5/05, troylemaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I will admit that this is a spam by definition, but I would like to defend my actions. I didn't boast, brag, or pretend to be some random user. I have been following this group and I am sincerely interested in VLogging. This week I got confirmation that I am on the VLogIt Beta testing list and fully intend to VLog the creation of the directory and apparently I will have to include this event. I tried to present my information in the most not used car salesman way I could. If you look I use my real name, you can even look me up on the internet to find me. Even though I had listings for my commercial site I told you upfront that I was using it for Beta testing and I have since removed any links to my commercial site so as to stay away from any controversy. I honestly didn't try to drive any traffic to my commercial site, I just had to wait for some people to add their sites, as I didn't want to add them myself. So while the site is not finished, as can be seen by Raymond's review
[videoblogging] Re: What I have to offer
Ok, quit poking, my side is hurting. I get the point. Troy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Poking Troy in the ribs] --- Now that's an introduction, lad. Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com http://the-hold.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Beth Agnew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: [videoblogging] What I have to offer After reading Jan's and Raymond's evocative posts, I guess it's time for me to step forward, introduce myself, and let you know what I have to offer. I've been a member for about a week; not long in lurker terms, but as a veteran of cyberspace, I know it's prudent to observe before jumping in. By profession I am a writer, communications consultant, and educator. I am on the faculty at Canada's largest college, but I'm not an academic. I've spent most of my life in the business world. I have been involved in various forms of communication technology for many years. My focus is content and computer-mediated communication, not the hardware to make it happen, just to make that distinction. I have varied interests, and while they seem to run off in all directions, there's a kind of weird convergence in the realm of communication. Sometimes what I'm communicating is completely nuts, but I think that's still valid. If there's one thing I am certain of, it is that the world needs more joy, more silliness, and more laughter. I try to do my part. My vlog is new. I'm still working out the kinks technology-wise but I know where it is going to go. I've been working with some limitations, but those will get overcome in time. I think it will end up as something uniquely Beth, which of course is the goal of a good vlog. As to what else I have to offer, I will gladly review anything you'd like feedback on, and give you my considered and constructive comments. I'm also a coach and business consultant, so those skills are freely available to anyone who'd like to get help on anything. A Google search or a perusal of my exhausitive CV on my college page will tell you anything else you want to know. I'm looking forward to being a contributor to this group! Cheers, --Beth Beth Agnew, Professor of Mirth laughpractice.blogspot.com http://tinyurl.com/83u5u YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Yahoo Directory
Hey everyone, hopefully I won't get so many people p*ssed off with this post, but why is there not a Yahoo Category for VLogging? Is it because there is such a thin line in some peoples eyes between Blog and VLog? Thanks, Troy YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum
Hi, My name is Troy LeMaire and I have created a site that will serve as a directory, topsite, forum and general portal for VLogging at http://www.VLogList.com Currently the site is in Beta as I don't have all of the pages functioning, but I am looking to add sites to the directory and toplist which are both working. There is a banner for my other site, that is commercial, but I am looking to test some banners out, so email me if you are interested in some beta testing of banners. The forum is working and I am looking for more topics to add as well as moderators that might be interested. I would appreciate any reviews/critiques that anyone could provide to help me out. Thanks in Advance, Troy LeMaire VLogList.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum
Hi, My name is Troy LeMaire and I have created a site that will serve as a directory, topsite, forum and general portal for VLogging at http://www.VLogList.com Currently the site is in Beta as I don't have all of the pages functioning, but I am looking to add sites to the directory and toplist which are both working. There is a banner for my other site, that is commercial, but I am looking to test some banners out, so email me if you are interested in some beta testing of banners. The forum is working and I am looking for more topics to add as well as moderators that might be interested. I would appreciate any reviews/critiques that anyone could provide to help me out. Thanks in Advance, Troy LeMaire VLogList.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum
Ok, I will admit that this is a spam by definition, but I would like to defend my actions. I didn't boast, brag, or pretend to be some random user. I have been following this group and I am sincerely interested in VLogging. This week I got confirmation that I am on the VLogIt Beta testing list and fully intend to VLog the creation of the directory and apparently I will have to include this event. I tried to present my information in the most not used car salesman way I could. If you look I use my real name, you can even look me up on the internet to find me. Even though I had listings for my commercial site I told you upfront that I was using it for Beta testing and I have since removed any links to my commercial site so as to stay away from any controversy. I honestly didn't try to drive any traffic to my commercial site, I just had to wait for some people to add their sites, as I didn't want to add them myself. So while the site is not finished, as can be seen by Raymond's review, I have been working on it for the past couple weeks and I decided to release what I have so that people can start adding their sites. After saying all of this, I ask that you give me another chance before booting me off of this group. Thanks, Troy LeMaire where is that begging on my knees avatar? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, folks leave a note with their request to join and if they say something sane, I'm supposing Jay lets 'em in. Do we nuke him or give him a chance to defend himself. Troy? Troy? Jan -- It isn't done alone http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com . On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:11 PM, uwriteto wrote: On 8/5/05, R. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a look at this new vlog resource, and here is a 4-minute screencast documenting the features: http://dltq.org/media/vloglistdotcomreview.html I hope it is useful. Thanks for the tour and commentary Raymond. Saved me the trouble from having to go to the site and develop my own opinions... :) This is the third vlog spam I've seen on the list lately. Is someone still validating people before they join? --Yves Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: VLog Directory, Topsite, and Forum
Sull, Thanks for the feedback. Coming from you this is a big vote of confidence. Troy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok. relax. you wont be booted. now people know your site exists... if they want to add thier vlogs, they will. you will be one of hundreds of new directories that will surface in the coming months mostly from people looking for new ad revenue. alright, carry on. sull On 8/5/05, troylemaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I will admit that this is a spam by definition, but I would like to defend my actions. I didn't boast, brag, or pretend to be some random user. I have been following this group and I am sincerely interested in VLogging. This week I got confirmation that I am on the VLogIt Beta testing list and fully intend to VLog the creation of the directory and apparently I will have to include this event. I tried to present my information in the most not used car salesman way I could. If you look I use my real name, you can even look me up on the internet to find me. Even though I had listings for my commercial site I told you upfront that I was using it for Beta testing and I have since removed any links to my commercial site so as to stay away from any controversy. I honestly didn't try to drive any traffic to my commercial site, I just had to wait for some people to add their sites, as I didn't want to add them myself. So while the site is not finished, as can be seen by Raymond's review, I have been working on it for the past couple weeks and I decided to release what I have so that people can start adding their sites. After saying all of this, I ask that you give me another chance before booting me off of this group. Thanks, Troy LeMaire where is that begging on my knees avatar? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, folks leave a note with their request to join and if they say something sane, I'm supposing Jay lets 'em in. Do we nuke him or give him a chance to defend himself. Troy? Troy? Jan -- It isn't done alone http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://blog.urbanartadventures.com . On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:11 PM, uwriteto wrote: On 8/5/05, R. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a look at this new vlog resource, and here is a 4- minute screencast documenting the features: http://dltq.org/media/vloglistdotcomreview.html I hope it is useful. Thanks for the tour and commentary Raymond. Saved me the trouble from having to go to the site and develop my own opinions... :) This is the third vlog spam I've seen on the list lately. Is someone still validating people before they join? --Yves Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://interdigitate.com - on again off again vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
