[videoblogging] 246 messages in February
I've just looked at the number of messages being produced by the group. Last month - 246 - was the lowest number of messages since the first month of the group in June 2004. Conversation peaked a year later in June 2005 with 2974 messages (100 per day). Yet you'd imagine that there are more people posting web video than ever before - on Facebook and YouTube mostly. I'm less interested in what this means for the group - we're still producing 8 or 9 messages a day, and people are using Twitter too - and more in what this says about web video and how people perceive it. Is it so commonplace now that it's not worth talking about or getting excited about in a formal setting like a group? Is it so easy to make and upload videos that people don't need to ask for help? Are the corporate sharing sites so easy and dominating that people don't even think about controlling their own content and presentation of it? Is this a clear enough sign that the future is huge corporate superchannels with independent content again shut out?
Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
My take on the why, in addition to what Rupert already said: 1. We're dispersing as our interests go into different directions, and the community seems loathe to create traditions and constants. With the exception of Vlog Europe, which is small, events like Vloggercon, Pixelodeon, the Vloggies/Winnies have lasted two years at the most. I see many things going local, with well-developed crowds developing in LA, SF, NY, DC, London, Amsterdam and Clermont-Ferrand, France, among others. I think there's a lot of good in all this online conversation fostering real-life activity, but the global aspect of this conversation suffers as a result. 2. YouTube and the lack of integration of YouTube's users into this list (for good or ill). 3. The door is cracked for people to take a stand for certain principles in this medium, but it certainly isn't as open as it was 3-5 years ago. I give tough love, not a scolding, when I say we all could do a better job organizing to stand up for what we believe in this space and providing opportunity for producers and artists that we believe in, and that perhaps some of these convictions are just not important enough to enough people. 4. The surge of this list was concurrent with the Web 2.0 surge, and teh economy has taken it's toll on both. I think there's many, many of us doing our best to make ends meet in this environment. 2009/3/5 Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org I've just looked at the number of messages being produced by the group. Last month - 246 - was the lowest number of messages since the first month of the group in June 2004. Conversation peaked a year later in June 2005 with 2974 messages (100 per day). Yet you'd imagine that there are more people posting web video than ever before - on Facebook and YouTube mostly. I'm less interested in what this means for the group - we're still producing 8 or 9 messages a day, and people are using Twitter too - and more in what this says about web video and how people perceive it. Is it so commonplace now that it's not worth talking about or getting excited about in a formal setting like a group? Is it so easy to make and upload videos that people don't need to ask for help? Are the corporate sharing sites so easy and dominating that people don't even think about controlling their own content and presentation of it? Is this a clear enough sign that the future is huge corporate superchannels with independent content again shut out? -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
Maybe it'd be good to start by making a statement of these convictions somewhere, and making an argument for them. So much discussion of these things has happened in disposable form, lost in the voluminous archives of this group. On 5-Mar-09, at 11:10 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: The door is cracked for people to take a stand for certain principles in this medium, but it certainly isn't as open as it was 3-5 years ago. I give tough love, not a scolding, when I say we all could do a better job organizing to stand up for what we believe in this space and providing opportunity for producers and artists that we believe in, and that perhaps some of these convictions are just not important enough to enough people.
Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
Though this is kinda off-topic... a discussion on principles and convictions... but this post kinda speaks to that in a flippant sort of way: http://schlomo.tumblr.com/post/83691385/tanya77-alanfm78-as-seen-on-the-development Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote: Maybe it'd be good to start by making a statement of these convictions somewhere, and making an argument for them. So much discussion of these things has happened in disposable form, lost in the voluminous archives of this group. On 5-Mar-09, at 11:10 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: The door is cracked for people to take a stand for certain principles in this medium, but it certainly isn't as open as it was 3-5 years ago. I give tough love, not a scolding, when I say we all could do a better job organizing to stand up for what we believe in this space and providing opportunity for producers and artists that we believe in, and that perhaps some of these convictions are just not important enough to enough people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
definitely the economy has a lot to do with it since there's not so much new activity as u guys know, i had a lot to do with raising funds for events, etc and i can tell you i can barely eek out a couple thousand from anyone these days for even charity stuff like the hiphopchess thing i did recently (at risk youth) -- and THAT had a HUGE celebrity attached to it (rza from wutang) so for me, its all about the (lack of) money that and the fact tht we arent giving so much advice lately to new people since the barrier to entry is 1mm high On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM, schlomo rabinowitz schl...@gmail.comwrote: Though this is kinda off-topic... a discussion on principles and convictions... but this post kinda speaks to that in a flippant sort of way: http://schlomo.tumblr.com/post/83691385/tanya77-alanfm78-as-seen-on-the-development Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.orgrupert%40fatgirlinohio.org wrote: Maybe it'd be good to start by making a statement of these convictions somewhere, and making an argument for them. So much discussion of these things has happened in disposable form, lost in the voluminous archives of this group. On 5-Mar-09, at 11:10 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: The door is cracked for people to take a stand for certain principles in this medium, but it certainly isn't as open as it was 3-5 years ago. I give tough love, not a scolding, when I say we all could do a better job organizing to stand up for what we believe in this space and providing opportunity for producers and artists that we believe in, and that perhaps some of these convictions are just not important enough to enough people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
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Re: Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
Well, isn't this a good thing? What's once fringe yet legitimately useful would naturally move towards the center. I remember writing my own RSS xml feed for media enclosures during the advent of podcasting. Now folks don't even need to know what a audio/video podcast is to start one. Same dilemma of us driving cars, but not understanding every part that goes into making it. It's all blackboxed now. Even though I only discovered this mailing list late into the game, I see this group as having more signal than noise. That filter is priceless. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ╔╗╔═╦╗ ║╚╣║║╚╗ ╚═╩═╩═╝ On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM, x...@xeni.net wrote: Hello -- This is my email autoresponder speaking. I'm traveling in some not-very-connected parts of Africa through March 16. I will be checking email and voicemail as often as circumstances permit, but responses will be much slower. If you need a fast response and you're contacting me about Boing Boing Video programming, please contact Derek Bledsoe (derekboingbo...@yahoo.com) and Jolon Bankey (jolo...@jolon.com). If your inquiry involves Boing Boing blog business, please contact David Pescovitz (da...@pesco.net). Blog post content pitches are always preferred via our web-based form, and I won't be blogging much on the road, other than what's on the road. If you need to reach my agent about a speaking engagement, TV or something like that, you'd want George Ruiz (gr...@icmtalent.com) or Nick Khan (nk...@icmtalent.com). And if this is personal, thank you for your message, and thank you for your patience. I wish you well from the road. XJ -- Xeni Jardin Host and Executive Producer, Boing Boing Video http://www.boingboing.net/boing-boing-video/ http://www.youtube.com/boingboingvideo Editor, Boing Boing Blog http://boingboing.net http://xeni.net http://twitter.com/xenijardin voicemail: 323-843-XENI (9364) skype: xenijardin, or 310-933-3075
Re: Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
What's once fringe yet legitimately useful would naturally move towards the center. I think the technology has definitely moved to the center, but the following has not: 1. Support for masterful online content that will sustain the test of time, but has comparatively little commerical value 2. Disregard of independent content producers by established media and artistic institutions 3. A commitment to fair trade in independent video creation 4. Sane copyright 5. and much, much more 2009/3/5 Kevin Lim brainop...@gmail.com Well, isn't this a good thing? What's once fringe yet legitimately useful would naturally move towards the center. I remember writing my own RSS xml feed for media enclosures during the advent of podcasting. Now folks don't even need to know what a audio/video podcast is to start one. Same dilemma of us driving cars, but not understanding every part that goes into making it. It's all blackboxed now. Even though I only discovered this mailing list late into the game, I see this group as having more signal than noise. That filter is priceless. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ¥¨¥ ¸¨ ¡«µ¡¡«¨ « » » ® On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM, x...@xeni.net xeni%40xeni.net wrote: Hello -- This is my email autoresponder speaking. I'm traveling in some not-very-connected parts of Africa through March 16. I will be checking email and voicemail as often as circumstances permit, but responses will be much slower. If you need a fast response and you're contacting me about Boing Boing Video programming, please contact Derek Bledsoe (derekboingbo...@yahoo.comderekboingboing%40yahoo.com) and Jolon Bankey (jolo...@jolon.com jolonbb%40jolon.com). If your inquiry involves Boing Boing blog business, please contact David Pescovitz (da...@pesco.net david%40pesco.net). Blog post content pitches are always preferred via our web-based form, and I won't be blogging much on the road, other than what's on the road. If you need to reach my agent about a speaking engagement, TV or something like that, you'd want George Ruiz (gr...@icmtalent.comgruiz%40icmtalent.com) or Nick Khan (nk...@icmtalent.com NKhan%40icmtalent.com). And if this is personal, thank you for your message, and thank you for your patience. I wish you well from the road. XJ -- Xeni Jardin Host and Executive Producer, Boing Boing Video http://www.boingboing.net/boing-boing-video/ http://www.youtube.com/boingboingvideo Editor, Boing Boing Blog http://boingboing.net http://xeni.net http://twitter.com/xenijardin voicemail: 323-843-XENI (9364) skype: xenijardin, or 310-933-3075 -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@gmail.com wrote: What's once fringe yet legitimately useful would naturally move towards the center. I think the technology has definitely moved to the center, but the following has not: 1. Support for masterful online content that will sustain the test of time, but has comparatively little commerical value 2. Disregard of independent content producers by established media and artistic institutions 3. A commitment to fair trade in independent video creation 4. Sane copyright 5. and much, much more Agreed. I think for a brief moment this group may have been a central place for a lot of online video discussions, but now it's common in many other places. There's still a good range of experience and passion here though. Always an interesting perspective. Many are now putting into action all the ideas we dreamed about. David Howell just landed a new gig at CBC. Andy Carvin's doing his thing at NPR. Chuck Olsen is helping pioneer over at the Uptake. The list goes on. Who needs to talk when you're doing? Many of us are still pushing for sane copyright(left) and open standards in online video. I've been talking about the new video capabilities in HTML 5 that's coming soon in browsers in the next 6 months (except probably Explorer). It's really is amazing. https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Using_audio_and_video_in_Firefox I really encourage anyone that can come to NYC in June to attend: http://openvideoalliance.org/ Lots of developers, academics...but we need the creators at the table. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] 246 messages in February
The new version of IE will support standards by default, apparently (astonishingly) - so we'll see. On 5-Mar-09, at 2:01 PM, Jay dedman wrote: Many of us are still pushing for sane copyright(left) and open standards in online video. I've been talking about the new video capabilities in HTML 5 that's coming soon in browsers in the next 6 months (except probably Explorer). It's really is amazing. https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Using_audio_and_video_in_Firefox [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
